Judge overturns California's ban on same-sex marriage

Aug 4, 2010 Full story: www.cnn.com 201,186

A federal judge in California has knocked down the state's voter-approved ban on same-sex marriage, ruling Wednesday that the state's controversial Proposition 8 violates the U.S. Constitution.

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Big D

Modesto, CA

#186200 Apr 2, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>Can you cite any holy text that describes same sex marriage? I didn't claim some church or denomination didn't perform same sex marriage, some do. I claim there is no theological basis in any holy text that defines marriage as anything other than male/female.
I personally don’t care about any holy texts from any of the thousands of religions in existence today or the millions of religions in history from any of the billions of gods man has believed in.

I live in the land of the free, not bound by any religion, where there is freedom of religion. All religions viewed equally in the eyes of the law.

But our laws not bound by an particular religion or cult.

If you have a private argument with these thousands of churches that wish to preform same sex marriages you can go have your argument with them.

Where in your bible does it place you personally as the judge of everyone else.

Where in your bible does it tell you to cast the first stone?

Since: Mar 12

Milwaukee

#186201 Apr 2, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>Can you cite any holy text that describes same sex marriage? I didn't claim some church or denomination didn't perform same sex marriage, some do. I claim there is no theological basis in any holy text that defines marriage as anything other than male/female.
Religion has nothing to do with constitutional rights dumb ass.

Since: Mar 12

Milwaukee

#186202 Apr 2, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>Can you cite any holy text that describes same sex marriage? I didn't claim some church or denomination didn't perform same sex marriage, some do. I claim there is no theological basis in any holy text that defines marriage as anything other than male/female.
So you are saying we should do as a society everything the bible days. We should own slaves and gang rape virgins. Just 2 of many examples your bible talks about. Why do you get to pick and choose which to follow and which to not follow??
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#186204 Apr 2, 2013
Big D wrote:
<quoted text>
I personally don’t care about any holy texts from any of the thousands of religions in existence today or the millions of religions in history from any of the billions of gods man has believed in.
I live in the land of the free, not bound by any religion, where there is freedom of religion. All religions viewed equally in the eyes of the law.
But our laws not bound by an particular religion or cult.
If you have a private argument with these thousands of churches that wish to preform same sex marriages you can go have your argument with them.
Where in your bible does it place you personally as the judge of everyone else.
Where in your bible does it tell you to cast the first stone?
War news

Covina, CA

#186205 Apr 2, 2013
OlD news, lets talk WAR, instead?

Since: Mar 12

Milwaukee

#186206 Apr 2, 2013
Big D wrote:
<quoted text>I personally donÂ’t care about any holy texts from any of the thousands of religions in existence today or the millions of religions in history from any of the billions of gods man has believed in.

I live in the land of the free, not bound by any religion, where there is freedom of religion. All religions viewed equally in the eyes of the law.

But our laws not bound by an particular religion or cult.

If you have a private argument with these thousands of churches that wish to preform same sex marriages you can go have your argument with them.

Where in your bible does it place you personally as the judge of everyone else.

Where in your bible does it tell you to cast the first stone?
Great post

Since: Nov 12

Elk Grove, CA

#186207 Apr 2, 2013
Country-Girl22 wrote:
<quoted text>Sry, let me re-word, men are not physically built to have sex with other men! And vice versa
Seems like you judge gays in general, this topic is about gay marriage.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#186209 Apr 2, 2013
Jaredb8 wrote:
<quoted text>
So you won't answer the question? Just spew more hate? Are you afraid to debate the subject?
It is an answer. It is pointless to ask what gays want if they don't qualify for marriage. Your question fails at the fundamental level.

Even more idiotic is accusing me of hatred because I cited a scientific fact.

Only you could too off that stupidity by accusing me of avoiding debate when you just got done brushing off several issues because you have no argument.

Jarboy, go back to your video games and gay porn. You clearly are not ready for adult discussion.

Smile.
War news

Covina, CA

#186210 Apr 2, 2013
Spuds has more to do today

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#186211 Apr 2, 2013
veryvermilion wrote:
<quoted text>
Dear, your mind is going. I've responded to your "cross cultural constraint crapola" so many times that it's just not worth my effort to do so again.
And quoting George Orwell in this case is stupid. A bunch of former slave owners in the late 1800s could have said the same thing. Would they have been speaking the truth as they ranted and raved over the emancipation proclamation?
Just because someone said something doesn't make it true. You of all people should know that.
Right. Just like you responded to the last post...

If you have an answer, why not just state it?

Instead, you resort to gay troll attacks.

All the signs of someone who has no logical response.

In fact, you could have given a George Orwellian response by simply stating the truth instead of attacking.
Big D

Modesto, CA

#186214 Apr 2, 2013
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
It is an answer. It is pointless to ask what gays want if they don't qualify for marriage. Your question fails at the fundamental level.
Even more idiotic is accusing me of hatred because I cited a scientific fact.
Only you could too off that stupidity by accusing me of avoiding debate when you just got done brushing off several issues because you have no argument.
Jarboy, go back to your video games and gay porn. You clearly are not ready for adult discussion.
Smile.
The hatred is obvious

we have watched you twist into a pretzel trying to make your procreation argument apply to same sex couples, but not to vets with injuries that keep them from procreating, or older couples without the ability to procreate, or even younger couples that choose not to have children.

You have twisted and squirmed and done backflips to try and make it only apply to same sex couples, anything you can do to deny one class equal rights while not denying other classes equal rights on the same ground.

The procreation argument was already dismissed by 2 courts and about to be dismissed by the highest court in the land.

You cannot pretend now that the basis is not hatred, it is obviously so.

Your religion of hate has come out of the closet for all to see, it is one reason your religion is bleeding followers.
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#186215 Apr 2, 2013
Big D wrote:
<quoted text>
The hatred is obvious
we have watched you twist into a pretzel trying to make your procreation argument apply to same sex couples, but not to vets with injuries that keep them from procreating, or older couples without the ability to procreate, or even younger couples that choose not to have children.
You have twisted and squirmed and done backflips to try and make it only apply to same sex couples, anything you can do to deny one class equal rights while not denying other classes equal rights on the same ground.
The procreation argument was already dismissed by 2 courts and about to be dismissed by the highest court in the land.
You cannot pretend now that the basis is not hatred, it is obviously so.
Your religion of hate has come out of the closet for all to see, it is one reason your religion is bleeding followers.
Enough with the vets with injuries schtick! Geez. It's pretty rare but very terrible and very offensive to disabled vets. Please don't toss it around so casually. How would you feel tough guy?

P.S. I can't walk much but I still get it up just fine, I'm sure you're wondering.
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#186216 Apr 2, 2013
Big D wrote:
<quoted text>
The hatred is obvious
we have watched you twist into a pretzel trying to make your procreation argument apply to same sex couples, but not to vets with injuries that keep them from procreating, or older couples without the ability to procreate, or even younger couples that choose not to have children.
You have twisted and squirmed and done backflips to try and make it only apply to same sex couples, anything you can do to deny one class equal rights while not denying other classes equal rights on the same ground.
The procreation argument was already dismissed by 2 courts and about to be dismissed by the highest court in the land.
You cannot pretend now that the basis is not hatred, it is obviously so.
Your religion of hate has come out of the closet for all to see, it is one reason your religion is bleeding followers.
Yeah yeah, we feel your love.
Big D

Modesto, CA

#186217 Apr 2, 2013
Frankie Rizzo wrote:
<quoted text>
Yeah yeah, we feel your love.
I have no tolerance at all for the intolerant my wife often tells me :)

Since: Mar 12

Milwaukee

#186218 Apr 2, 2013
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>It is an answer. It is pointless to ask what gays want if they don't qualify for marriage. Your question fails at the fundamental level.

Even more idiotic is accusing me of hatred because I cited a scientific fact.

Only you could too off that stupidity by accusing me of avoiding debate when you just got done brushing off several issues because you have no argument.

Jarboy, go back to your video games and gay porn. You clearly are not ready for adult discussion.

Smile.
Well if you want to talk science Einstein I guess the theory of evolution has more credibility than your fiction books about religion.

Since: Mar 12

Milwaukee

#186219 Apr 2, 2013
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>It is an answer. It is pointless to ask what gays want if they don't qualify for marriage. Your question fails at the fundamental level.

Even more idiotic is accusing me of hatred because I cited a scientific fact.

Only you could too off that stupidity by accusing me of avoiding debate when you just got done brushing off several issues because you have no argument.

Jarboy, go back to your video games and gay porn. You clearly are not ready for adult discussion.

Smile.
So you can't debate something because you are too close minded to acknowledge people don't share your thoughts or beliefs about things. That's what a debate is 2 points of view being discussed. You don't want to answer my question because you would clearly loose a debate on this topic.

“I Luv Carbon Dioxide”

Since: Dec 08

Location hidden

#186220 Apr 2, 2013
Big D wrote:
I personally don’t care about any holy texts from any of the thousands of religions in existence today or the millions of religions in history from any of the billions of gods man has believed in.
I live in the land of the free, not bound by any religion, where there is freedom of religion. All religions viewed equally in the eyes of the law.
But our laws not bound by an particular religion or cult.
If you have a private argument with these thousands of churches that wish to preform same sex marriages you can go have your argument with them.
Where in your bible does it place you personally as the judge of everyone else.
Where in your bible does it tell you to cast the first stone?
I'm not writing about a particular religion or cult, I'm writing about all holy texts ever collected since the dawn of literacy. Marriage is ALWAYS defined as male/female in ancient religious texts and myths.

What's up with that?

“I Luv Carbon Dioxide”

Since: Dec 08

Location hidden

#186221 Apr 2, 2013
Jaredb8 wrote:
Religion has nothing to do with constitutional rights dumb ass.
We have the freedom to practice our religions; you don't have the right to force your radical secular extremism on us.

Where do you think laws against incest come from, if not religion?

“I Luv Carbon Dioxide”

Since: Dec 08

Location hidden

#186222 Apr 2, 2013
Jaredb8 wrote:
So you are saying we should do as a society everything the bible days. We should own slaves and gang rape virgins. Just 2 of many examples your bible talks about. Why do you get to pick and choose which to follow and which to not follow??
Not at all, I'm saying all holy texts either define marriage as male/female or they don't discuss marriage at all. Here, I'll list some of them for you to check:

Pyramid texts, the Epic of Gilgamesh, the Rigveda, the Avesta, the Diamond Sutra, the Guru Granth Sahib, the Vedas,the Bhagavad Gita, the Qur'an, Homeric Hymns, Theogony, the Great Hymn to the Aten, the Ayyavazhi, The Akilathirattu Ammanai, the Arul Nool, Bahá'í Faith, the Kitáb-i-Aqdas, Kitáb-i-Íqán, Bön, Kangyur and Tengyur, the ravada Buddhism, the Tipitaka aka Pali Canon, Vinaya Pitaka, Sutta Pitaka, Digha Nikaya, the "long" discourses, the Majjhima Nikaya, the "middle-length" discourses, Samyutta Nikaya, the "connected" discourses, Anguttara Nikaya, the "numerical" discourses, Khuddaka Nikaya, the "minor collection", Abhidhamma Pitaka, the East Asian Mahayana, the Chinese Buddhist Tripi?aka, the Heart Sutra, the Shurangama Sutra and its Shurangama Mantra, Pure Land Buddhism, Infinite Life Sutra, Amitabha Sutra, Contemplation Sutra, other Pure Land Sutras, Tiantai, Tendai, and Nichiren, Lotus Sutra, the Shingon, the Mahavairocana Sutra, Vajrasekhara Sutra, the Tibetan Kangyur and Tengyur, Cheondoism, the Donghak Scripture, the Songs of Yongdam, the Sermons of Master Haeweol, the Sermons of Revered Teacher Euiam, Nag Hammadi library and other Gnostic texts, the Book of Mormon, the Pearl of Great Price, the Doctrine and Covenants, the Apocrypha, the Book of Enoch, the Five Classics of Confucianism, the Four Books, the Thirteen Classics, the Principia Discordia, Rasa'il al-hikmah (Epistles of Wisdom), Coffin Texts, the Book of the Dead, Book of Caverns, Book of Gates, Amduat, Book of the Heavenly Cow, Litany of Re,
the Cippus of Perugia, 3rd or 2nd century BCE, Cippus Perusinus, Liber Linteus, Pyrgi Tablets, Tabula Cortonensis, Hermetica, Emerald Tablet and associated writings, Sruti, Vedas: Rig Veda, Sama Veda, Yajur Veda, Atharva Veda, Brahmanas, Aranyakas, Upanishads, Smriti, Itihasas, Mahabharata, Ramayana, Puranas, Bhagavata Purana, Tantras, Stotras, Ashtavakra Gita, Gherand Samhita, Gita Govinda, Hatha Yoga Pradipika, Yoga Vasistha, Purva Mimamsa Sutras, In Vedanta (Uttar Mimamsa), Brahma Sutras of Vyasa, Yoga Sutras of Patanjali, Samkhya Sutras of Kapila, Nyaya Sutras of Gautama, Vaisheshika Sutras of Kanada, vaikhanasa Samhitas, Pancaratra Samhitas, Sakta Tantras, 64 Bhairavagamas, 28 Shaiva Agamas, Shiva Sutras of Vasugupta, Vijnana Bhairava Tantra, Pashupata Sutras of Lakulish, Panchartha-bhashya of Kaundinya (a commentary on the Pashupata Sutras), Ganakarika, Ratnatika of Bhasarvajna, 28 Saiva Agamas, Tirumurai (canon of 12 works), Meykandar Shastras (canon of 14 works), Brahma Samhita, Jayadeva's Gita Govinda, Krishna-karnamrita, Chaitanya Bhagavata, Chaitanya Charitamrita, Prema-bhakti-candrika, Hari-bhakti-vilasa, poems of Kabir, poems of Dadu, the Qur'an, the Hadith, Svetambara, 11 Angas, 12 Upangas, 4 Mula-sutras, 6 Cheda-sutras, 2 Culika-sutras, 10 Prakirnakas, Digambara, Karmaprabhrita, also called Satkhandagama, Kashayaprabhrita, Jina Vijaya, Tattvartha Sutra, GandhaHasti Mahabhashya, the Tanakh, Torah, Nevi'im, Ketuvim, the Talmud, Mishnah, Gemara, the Satanic Bible, Siddhanta Shikhamani, Vachana sahitya, Mantra Gopya, Shoonya Sampadane, 28 Agamas, Karana Hasuge, Basava Purana, the Ginza Rba, Book of the Zodiac, Qolusta, Canonical Prayerbook, Book of John the Baptizer, Diwan Abatur, Purgatories...

Since: Dec 09

Knoxville, TN

#186223 Apr 2, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>Can you cite any holy text that describes same sex marriage? I didn't claim some church or denomination didn't perform same sex marriage, some do. I claim there is no theological basis in any holy text that defines marriage as anything other than male/female.
There may be no scripture that describes same-sex marriage. But you'll also not find scripture that describes electricy, Dr. Pepper, lawn mowers, non-stick cooking pans, antiacids, suspension bridges,(I could go on for pages...)

Do we need to live our lives so narrowly that we eliminate all things from society that aren't mentioned in the Books of the Bible?

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