SEIU union approves cost-saving contract

Members of California's largest state employee union approved a contract Tuesday that cuts pay by nearly 5 percent for 95,000 government workers and rolls back pension benefits, a move that will protect them from more sweeping government furloughs. Full Story
Carl Sims

Long Beach, CA

#607 Nov 28, 2010
lbusd teacher too wrote:
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When things don't go your way, a true loser blames the voters. People vote for their own best interests. That's why democracies work so well. Whitman lost by 13%. That was a landslide. The people saw her for what she was, and rejected her. And in the course of rejecting her, they rejected all of the other candidates for executive office. Are you saying that the majority of the voters don't care about their children? Are you saying that the majority of the voters don't want a prosperous California? Are you saying that majority of the voters don't care about California's future? If you are saying those things then you are the one that is not smart or caring. And I would doubt if you were truly a capable voter.
Selling our children into tax slavery to fund the highest pub emp pensions in America defines California voters as sadists not sane people. What are you yapping about?
To Carl Sims in LB

Los Angeles, CA

#608 Nov 28, 2010
It's the new game: selling out the future.
We live NOW, they say,
who cares what happens later.
Carl Sims wrote:
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Selling our children into tax slavery to fund the highest pub emp pensions in America defines California voters as sadists not sane people. What are you yapping about?
lbusd teacher too

Pico Rivera, CA

#609 Nov 28, 2010
TomFromPV wrote:
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You just restated your dream, but didn't give any reasoning to support it. Why will unemployent be down? Because we have even more illegal immigrants?
Why will deficits shrink? Because even more of us will lose our jobs and leave the state because of insane taxes?
To your first question; yes. Undocumented labor is our future. They are consumers. They have children. They are not just the new working class, but also the new consuming class. People over fifty are net savers. And with this influx of labor and consumers, more taxes will be paid and deficits will shrink. The world has changed. Either change with it, or be left behind.
lbusd teacher too

Pico Rivera, CA

#610 Nov 28, 2010
TomFromPV wrote:
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But have you offered anything but opinion either?
Again, what CHANGES will Jerry Brown and the controlling Democrats make to fix the current plight?
I say NONE, since their agenda is EXACTLY why we're in this mess. What do you say?
And the rest of the country WILL recover because they're elected people who WILL make changes -- such as cutting back spending, keeping taxes low, etc.
That is the problem with op/ed pieces. They give an opinion with faulty data, and all you can do is show the error in the data that makes their opinion collapse.

If Jerry does absolutely nothing, things will improve. Capitalism is cyclic. One of the main reasons the Great Depression became worse in 1936 was because Roosevelt's aides convinced him to balance the budget. This is the time to spend. When the recovery is strong, then we can start pulling back.
OldGuysRule

Long Beach, CA

#611 Nov 28, 2010
lbusd teacher too wrote:
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To your first question; yes. Undocumented labor is our future. They are consumers. They have children. They are not just the new working class, but also the new consuming class. People over fifty are net savers. And with this influx of labor and consumers, more taxes will be paid and deficits will shrink. The world has changed. Either change with it, or be left behind.
Undocumented labor is what third world countries are all about. We used to be a leader in all types of technology and now it's going away because the unions have our leaders and funds tied up in knots.

You are about as dumb as a doorknob.
OldGuysRule

Long Beach, CA

#612 Nov 28, 2010
lbusd teacher too wrote:
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That is the problem with op/ed pieces. They give an opinion with faulty data, and all you can do is show the error in the data that makes their opinion collapse.
If Jerry does absolutely nothing, things will improve. Capitalism is cyclic. One of the main reasons the Great Depression became worse in 1936 was because Roosevelt's aides convinced him to balance the budget. This is the time to spend. When the recovery is strong, then we can start pulling back.
You have imperical data to support yourself. Your arguments are unfounded. You are trying to be a leader of California's dumbest sheep. Too Baaaaaaaaaa....d.
Padva

Bellflower, CA

#613 Nov 28, 2010
lbusd teacher too wrote:
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To your first question; yes. Undocumented labor is our future. They are consumers. They have children. They are not just the new working class, but also the new consuming class. People over fifty are net savers. And with this influx of labor and consumers, more taxes will be paid and deficits will shrink. The world has changed. Either change with it, or be left behind.
Easy for you to say. Not so easy if you had children whose future concerned you.
OldGuysRule

Long Beach, CA

#614 Nov 28, 2010
Can someone please tell me how "LBUSD Teacher Too" has enough brains to logon to this website?
Doris

Van Nuys, CA

#615 Nov 28, 2010
OldGuysRule wrote:
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Oh darn. Dad-gummit. Doris you got me. You are one sharp old lady. I know that because Doris was a popular name given to babies just after WWII.
I bet you are in love with Tom Jones!!
Old Guy, how on earth did you know about me and Tom? You're as sharp as a tack.

Doris is my alias when I'm helping people with their spelling and grammar. I'm old enough to remember Walt Disney, Colonel Sanders, and the young Cal Worthington on my tee-vee, but I wasn't born in the 1940's.
lbusd teacher too

Monessen, PA

#616 Nov 28, 2010
Padva wrote:
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Easy for you to say. Not so easy if you had children whose future concerned you.
I understand your concerns. But, this isn't the first influx of non-English speaking immigrants into this country. They came from Eastern and Southern Europe. They looked and sounded different from native-born Americans. And during that time, they were accused of stealing jobs or using government services unfairly. Everything worked out just fine then, and everything will work out just fine now. Without this new influx of immigrant, your children would not have a future.
editor

Los Alamitos, CA

#617 Nov 28, 2010
lbusd teacher too wrote:
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I understand your concerns. But, this isn't the first influx of non-English speaking immigrants into this country. They came from Eastern and Southern Europe. They looked and sounded different from native-born Americans. And during that time, they were accused of stealing jobs or using government services unfairly. Everything worked out just fine then, and everything will work out just fine now. Without this new influx of immigrant, your children would not have a future.
What "lbusd teacher too" really means is: "Without this new influx of illegal immigrants, teacher unions would not have a future."
Jeff

Van Nuys, CA

#618 Nov 28, 2010
lbusd teacher too wrote:
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I understand your concerns. But, this isn't the first influx of non-English speaking immigrants into this country. They came from Eastern and Southern Europe. They looked and sounded different from native-born Americans. And during that time, they were accused of stealing jobs or using government services unfairly. Everything worked out just fine then, and everything will work out just fine now. Without this new influx of immigrant, your children would not have a future.
What government services? I don't think welfare existed until the New Deal, and then it was for widows and orphans, not "single mothers."

Don't you grasp that the immigrants are costing more in benefits for their children (education/healthcare/incarcer ation) than they contribute? Don't you grasp that they aren't just picking lettuce? Don't you grasp that they come here because of our misinterpretation of the 16th Amendment--they know their children will be instant American citizens.

Our country is not "dying"--the younger generation of Americans will marry and have children--unlike your generation.
Jeff

Van Nuys, CA

#619 Nov 28, 2010
Correction--I meant the 14th Amendment, which clarified the citizenship of former slaves after the Civil War.
Jeff

Van Nuys, CA

#620 Nov 28, 2010
editor wrote:
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What "lbusd teacher too" really means is: "Without this new influx of illegal immigrants, teacher unions would not have a future."
They were laying off teachers in the 1970's, when the baby boomers took longer to start having kids. Your point is perfectly valid.
lbusd teacher too

Monessen, PA

#621 Nov 28, 2010
Jeff wrote:
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What government services? I don't think welfare existed until the New Deal, and then it was for widows and orphans, not "single mothers."
Don't you grasp that the immigrants are costing more in benefits for their children (education/healthcare/incarcer ation) than they contribute? Don't you grasp that they aren't just picking lettuce? Don't you grasp that they come here because of our misinterpretation of the 16th Amendment--they know their children will be instant American citizens.
Our country is not "dying"--the younger generation of Americans will marry and have children--unlike your generation.
Without both documented and undocumented immigration to this country, we would be a dying country. Their birth rates are allowing this country to grow. And they are good people. Both the children and their parents have the values we have lost. They value God, family and community. They are some of the few families I meet every year where both parents are in the home. The parents are hard working and they truly value and respect both teachers and education. I welcome them all. And, I hope many more come. They can only make this country better.
To Real Americans

Los Angeles, CA

#622 Nov 28, 2010
We don't need "values," we need cheap labor. Who cares about community, if we have corporations! Obedient customers, that's what we need. To make sure the Waltons can ship billions earned to China. We shipped off our real jobs, welfare is much cheaper.
lbusd teacher too wrote:
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Without both documented and undocumented immigration to this country, we would be a dying country. Their birth rates are allowing this country to grow. And they are good people. Both the children and their parents have the values we have lost. They value God, family and community. They are some of the few families I meet every year where both parents are in the home. The parents are hard working and they truly value and respect both teachers and education. I welcome them all. And, I hope many more come. They can only make this country better.
OldGuysRule

Long Beach, CA

#623 Nov 28, 2010
lbusd teacher too wrote:
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Without both documented and undocumented immigration to this country, we would be a dying country. Their birth rates are allowing this country to grow. And they are good people. Both the children and their parents have the values we have lost. They value God, family and community. They are some of the few families I meet every year where both parents are in the home. The parents are hard working and they truly value and respect both teachers and education. I welcome them all. And, I hope many more come. They can only make this country better.
Okay, so you are an illegal alien. Time to pack your bags and get out.
To OldGuysRule and Others

Los Angeles, CA

#624 Nov 28, 2010
"They value God, family and community. They are some of the few families I meet every year where both parents are in the home. The parents are hard working and they truly value and respect both teachers and education."

Is that a challenge for our new & improed leaders?

OldGuysRule wrote:
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Okay, so you are an illegal alien. Time to pack your bags and get out.

Since: Dec 09

Torrance, CA

#625 Nov 29, 2010
lbusd teacher too wrote:
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That is the problem with op/ed pieces. They give an opinion with faulty data, and all you can do is show the error in the data that makes their opinion collapse.
If Jerry does absolutely nothing, things will improve. Capitalism is cyclic. One of the main reasons the Great Depression became worse in 1936 was because Roosevelt's aides convinced him to balance the budget. This is the time to spend. When the recovery is strong, then we can start pulling back.
No, you're wrong. The Rust Belt is named because its once-booming economy collapsed and never recovered. And your claim about FDR is just backwards -- you need to bone up on your history. It was the un-ending govt spending that lengthened the depression. That you got this backward kind of damages your credibility.

Again, all this will become clear in a year or so. Meanwhile, prepare for bad times in California.

It won't last forever, but to re-ignite the economy we have to attract producers and severely cut back on giving money to the takers. That requires massive cutbacks of useless govt jobs, taxes, and regulation. All of which Democrats oppose....

Since: Dec 09

Torrance, CA

#626 Nov 29, 2010
lbusd teacher too wrote:
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To your first question; yes. Undocumented labor is our future. They are consumers. They have children. They are not just the new working class, but also the new consuming class. People over fifty are net savers. And with this influx of labor and consumers, more taxes will be paid and deficits will shrink. The world has changed. Either change with it, or be left behind.
Lets just say "illegal immigrants", OK? Thats what they are. And for the most part, illegal immigrants are illiterate or close to it. The new economy requires knowledge workers -- even in the trades, a lot of education is required before a worker is cost-effective.

So the typical illegal immigrant is forced to work jobs that pay the least. And its NOT like they assimilate either - illegals overwhelm certain geographic locations, insist on importing their language and culture, and basically turn that piece of America is Little Mexico.

Yes, the world has changed. And California is NOT doing a good job of keeping up. That's why the good jobs continue to flow overseas. Why should a company locate to this state? Until you can answer that basic question, our poor state is doomed.

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