Changes may restore eminence of Torra...

Changes may restore eminence of Torrance's Hawthorne Boulevard

There are 99 comments on the Daily Breeze story from Nov 6, 2010, titled Changes may restore eminence of Torrance's Hawthorne Boulevard. In it, Daily Breeze reports that:

Vacant auto dealerships and closed retailers are among the reasons parts of Hawthorne Boulevard appear so distressed.

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karg

Phoenix, AZ

#88 Nov 8, 2010
11/08/2010

Dear Citizens,

Something is drastically wrong with what is and what "they" want you to know!

The Chart is stating that the difference in the third quarter of 2007 and 2009 is $131,858---now times it by 4 quarters--=$527,432 or the equivalent of the Pension for the Chief of Police and the Fire Chief.

After the $6 million pay out for the "Conspiracy of Silence" in the Torrance Police, and the $6 million lost in the Torrance coffers soon afterward---this did not shake-up the leadership in anyway and the payout to Liz Clark [Genocide statement] in Stan the Man's office [City Attorney] of $1 million did not shake-up the leadership at all!-----the arrogance of this leadership went as far as a statement “It was nothing!”

But the Daily Breeze did go into full cooperation with the criminals and the corporate criminals which did result in the 1998 Cox Report and the guilty just changed their name and remained in good standing with the Feds! Soon David Copley “Happy Days” were coming to the end so sold off to Hearst in 2006 [$33 million].

Meanwhile the victims had to find out years later that the Fed did do something---just not what an American would expect!---protect the criminal!

To this day the Congress is covering up this crime! And the Newspapers are told to keep it out of print!
Why wreck a good thing---where Wall Street and the Bankers can prey on the Americans as the other countries catch up to our standard of living---a problem since WWII. Meanwhile the North American Union is gaining steam with the help of CFR’s Robert Pastor and Arizona State University providing the cover for 40 agents working against the American Citizenry.

So it Goes---as Bogert says---and so do the jobs---watch'em go!

Sincerely,

Don Karg


To The Truth in Torrance

Northridge, CA

#89 Nov 8, 2010
"I use to enjoy the Daily Breeze, but have to tell you that in the last year the information given has been very one sided. For example awhile back an article was written about the mall and how they are also losing businesses."

"I wrote to the Daily Breeze about a man that I personally met that ran a store in the mall and was SHUT DOWN by them for no reason given to him. Write about how this man spent his life building his business only to have the Powers at be in the mall to destroy what he build in less than 30 days."

"This is why Torrance has lost revenue."
And that is only one man out of many.
Many others were driven out as well.

And the "Daily Breeze" was silent.
Their "hands were tied,"
said Mayor Katy Geissert, in 1982.
The Truth wrote:
There are many other factors to why the buildings remain empty. For one I can honestly say a bid was recently given to rent the exact building you wrote about. What is left out is they are not asking for Fair price on the building. They are asking for unrealistic rent for a run down building and is not willing to upgrade or put any money into. You can not get prime money for a building that looks in the condition that it is in. Back when the Surprise Store had their day it was a newer building and kept up. They need to be realistic to what the world we live in today.
Another example of this craziness is the Florence Fabrics building. This building has been empty for over 10 years plus. Why? All because that landlord is not willing to place an elevator to make it up to code to rent out.
The Rug Store on the corner is run down and has never opened their doors since they supposedly opened. It was a Halloween Store for a temp. while but that building owner uses it as storage the rest of the year.
The problem starts with the building owners. So the sob story on how their buildings are sitting is sickening to read about. They sit because of them. They refuse to put any money into fixing the old buildings and expect for small businesses to accept them the way they are and deal with all the fixing. So what incentive is there for a small business to open in one of their buildings. Why do you think many of the companies closed to begin with. They were not getting the revenue that the buildings demand.
I use to enjoy the Daily Breeze, but have to tell you that in the last year the information given has been very one sided. For example awhile back an article was written about the mall and how they are also losing businesses. I wrote to the Daily Breeze about a man that I personally met that ran a store in the mall and was SHUT DOWN by them for no reason given to him. Write about how this man spent his life building his business only to have the Powers at be in the mall to destroy what he build in less than 30 days. This is why Torrance has lost revenue
Ed U cate

El Segundo, CA

#90 Nov 9, 2010
The Truth wrote:
There are many other factors to why the buildings remain empty. For one I can honestly say a bid was recently given to rent the exact building you wrote about. What is left out is they are not asking for Fair price on the building. They are asking for unrealistic rent for a run down building and is not willing to upgrade or put any money into. You can not get prime money for a building that looks in the condition that it is in. Back when the Surprise Store had their day it was a newer building and kept up. They need to be realistic to what the world we live in today.
I knew it was something like this when the story quoted the Surprise Store owner as saying that leasees wanted the building for unfair rock bottom prices, or something like that. I knew she was most likely out of touch and unrealistic about what she could get in rent....ding dong. Sad when formerly successful businesspeople get too old and out of touch with current realities....
Bring it on

Van Nuys, CA

#92 Nov 9, 2010
I think they should allow businesses in that are recession proof. More bars! Bring back Houlihans!
Sell Florence fabrics to Spearmint Rhino!
The Torrance will love the tax revenues.
Torrance Resident

Rancho Palos Verdes, CA

#93 Nov 9, 2010
LOL. I always thought Famima sounded like a spanish word. I pictured they sold tamales or maybe mexican movies. Doesn't sound upscale to me either.
Mailorder Bride Seeker wrote:
<quoted text>
Since when was Famima, sounds like "famine," an upscale store?
To Slug and Ronald Reagan

Northridge, CA

#94 Nov 9, 2010
"After the $6 million pay out for the 'Conspiracy of Silence' in the Torrance Police, and the $6 million lost in the Torrance coffers soon afterward" which did NOT shake-up the leadership in Torrance in any way, "and the payout to Liz Clark [Genocide statement] in Stan the Man's office [City Attorney] of $1 million," and then her disappearance, "the arrogance of this leadership went as far as a statement 'It was nothing!'"

Actually what the mayor said was "we won't get broke" and can handle it. And worst of all, there was NO corrective action. And for her inactivity, she got her name on the Library, as a reward for her cooperation. So, WHO really runs the show in Torrance?

Our smart people never asked, and the "Breeze" just didn't tell.
The Copleys simple sold out, and Dave retired on his fancy $33 million yacht. Our "Staats-Zeitung" [L.A., since 1879] was sold to Florida. The "owners" of the famous village were simply fired.

As it seems no one even misses our noble Rotters. And what happened with Dr. Buerk, the founder of the Brewery [1988], and also of Rancho Palos Verdes [1973]. Did he also move to Canada, like our esteemed editor of the "Daily Breeze"? Why all that Canadian "influence," even at Santa Anita? That's where they had trained Sirhan Sirhan, before that great event in 1968.

Copley was there at the grand convention in Miami, and a few weeks late came our Arnie: also via Miami, imported by our Canadians with the great connections, including those in Hollywood. It's no surprise that our "Breeze" REFUSED to show us the whole picture. Allen Dulles had his fingers in their business too, and it's not even a big secret. And our "cooperative" Ford became president.

And now its "Daimler ber Alles"? "What if," said our other German friends, at SIEMENS, if "a train could help drive our economy?"

And our experts are dead-silent? And so is Helene, who was sent home in 1983 by Reagan, to Vienna, as our U.S. Ambassador. Twenty years later General Dynamics took over our name. And our precious Hahn butchered mine, in 2006 already. The many millions paid in Torrance, to silence people, they are long forgotten. Now we have nothing but empty stores on Hawthorne Boulevard. Courtesy of our great leadership; and LeRoy is still in business, as the manager?

karg wrote:
11/08/2010
Dear Citizens,
Something is drastically wrong with what is and what "they" want you to know!
The Chart is stating that the difference in the third quarter of 2007 and 2009 is $131,858---now times it by 4 quarters--=$527,432 or the equivalent of the Pension for the Chief of Police and the Fire Chief.
After the $6 million pay out for the "Conspiracy of Silence" in the Torrance Police, and the $6 million lost in the Torrance coffers soon afterward---this did not shake-up the leadership in anyway and the payout to Liz Clark [Genocide statement] in Stan the Man's office [City Attorney] of $1 million did not shake-up the leadership at all!-----the arrogance of this leadership went as far as a statement “It was nothing!” To this day the Congress is covering up this crime! And the Newspapers are told to keep it out of print!
Why wreck a good thing---where Wall Street and the Bankers can prey on the Americans as the other countries catch up to our standard of living---a problem since WWII. Sincerely,
Don Karg
Famine stores

Santa Fe Springs, CA

#95 Nov 9, 2010
Torrance Resident wrote:
LOL. I always thought Famima sounded like a spanish word. I pictured they sold tamales or maybe mexican movies. Doesn't sound upscale to me either.
<quoted text>
Famima is supposedly a "fancy 7-11" with an Italian theme (they sell pannini sandwiches). However, they do the same ol' "Bristol Farms dupe" marketing: sell the same products that can be bought at "lower end stores" at higher prices, in a supposedly upscale building. Ain't nothing upsale looking about their "eco-friendly-colored " buildings to me. This ain't a difference in Rolex vs. Timex; it's de facto Timex with a fancy name slapped on.

The Japanese need to learn a thing or two when it comes to marketing. Using the guise of Italian-theme and "Latin-derived" name doesn't mean your business model works.

How'd that saying go? "you can put lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig..."
Torrance Resident

Los Angeles, CA

#96 Nov 9, 2010
Eminence a wrong word wrote:
The business such as chick-a-fil, In & Out, will not creat meaningful jobs.
A manager at In-N-Out Burger can easily make $100k a year. Sounds meaningful to me. Starting pay is about $10-$12/per hour for non management postions. Way better than Target and Walmart.
Jack Torrance

Van Nuys, CA

#97 Nov 9, 2010
Businesses fail because they are run by amateurs. Often, the owners don't understand competition and they believe in "full list price or go out of business". There are many management variables which can save one's business. Everywhere I shop has made the appropriate adjustments and is still in business. I never shopped at any of these failures and I don't miss them.
Jack Torrance

Van Nuys, CA

#98 Nov 9, 2010
Torrance Resident wrote:
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Starting pay is about $10-$12/per hour for non management postions. Way better than Target and Walmart.
This is incorrect information.
To Jack of Torrance

Northridge, CA

#99 Nov 9, 2010
All they had to do is hire you,
and they would still be in business.

Another Jack in the Box,
and the problem is solved.
Jack Torrance wrote:
Businesses fail because they are run by amateurs. Often, the owners don't understand competition and they believe in "full list price or go out of business". There are many management variables which can save one's business. Everywhere I shop has made the appropriate adjustments and is still in business. I never shopped at any of these failures and I don't miss them.
Boomin Biz

Santa Fe Springs, CA

#100 Nov 9, 2010
BN Customer wrote:
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Famima failed in Torrance. However, in Downtown Los Angeles, it seems to be doing quite well, with around 6 locations. And remember, this is an upscale 7-11. No wonder Famima failed in Torrance. Del Amo attracts thugs and other lowlives due to their cheap merchandise and Hawthorne BLVD has storage facilities. The people of Torrance and surrounding neighborhoods cannot afford Famima.
All locations are in the Greater Los Angeles area.

NEW!! Location

Union Station in Downtown Los Angeles
OPEN LOCATIONS

Santa Anita Mall in Arcadia
Culver Center in Culver City (Venice Boulevard at Overland Ave)
Downtown Los Angeles
California Plaza
City National Plaza
700 Wilshire
Roosevelt (7th Street at Flower Street)
Pacific Center (6th Street at Olive Street, near Pershing Square)
Hollywood Plaza on Hollywood Blvd.(near Hollywood and Highland)
Third Street Promenade in Santa Monica
CLOSED LOCATIONS

Arcadia - Santa Anita Ave and Live Oak Ave (24hrs location. closed in October 2009)
Fountain Valley - Bushard St. and Warner Ave (24hrs location, closed December 6, 2009)
Glendale (closed - date unknown)
8th & Figueroa (closed - date unknown)
Lakewood - Downey and South Street (24hrs location, closed)
Long Beach
2nd Street in Belmont Shore (closed as of March 1, 2008)
Los Coyotes Diagonal (closed as of March 1, 2008)
Pasadena
Playhouse District - Colorado Boulevard (closed effective November 30, 2009)
Old Pasadena - Raymond Avenue and Union Street (closed as of January 2010)
Torrance (closed as of May 30, 2008)
West Hollywood (closed as of February 1, 2009)

source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Famima !!
Jack of Torrance

Northridge, CA

#101 Nov 10, 2010
Jack Torrance wrote:
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This is incorrect information.
And where is the correct one?
old school

Avondale, AZ

#102 Nov 10, 2010
Now that Manhattan Beach/El Segundo has several large shopping centers, few in the South Bay (Hermosa,MB,Segundo) find the need to drive into Hawthorne/Torrance to do their shopping. Those cities are congested, unattractive and can be dangerous. We used to shop in Torrance when they were THE ONLY OPTION, now we have better options closer, so I'm not sure it'll ever be the same.
To Old School and Scotto

Northridge, CA

#103 Nov 10, 2010
They asked for it, they got it.

Ignorance is Strenght, they said; and now we see how strong they are. But why would LeRoy care, he's overdue to retire. Their "hands were tied" in 1982, and now they're out of money.

If Katy Geissert could see them now, our idiots in high places. Is it a surprise, that editor Carroll retired in distant Canada? And Bogert drives in from Pasadena. Who wants to risk life and limb, being settled here in plastic city? Even the "honorable" judge got fired as "the LIAR"! Our good ol' boys, groomed to rule. The thinking they left for others. But the others got "phased-out."

And now their ship is sinking.
old school wrote:
Now that Manhattan Beach/El Segundo has several large shopping centers, few in the South Bay (Hermosa,MB,Segundo) find the need to drive into Hawthorne/Torrance to do their shopping. Those cities are congested, unattractive and can be dangerous. We used to shop in Torrance when they were THE ONLY OPTION, now we have better options closer, so I'm not sure it'll ever be the same.
beaten dead horse

Santa Fe Springs, CA

#104 Nov 10, 2010
Jack of Torrance wrote:
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And where is the correct one?
You INITIALLY ASSERTED it, thus the burden of proof is on you. Hearsay and lack of evidence/proof is worthless and illogical.

I don't play devil's advocate, but I heard the same (In N Out managers make around $100K/yr)...but in this economy, I'm sure things adjusted.

...Besides, I never saw Benz S500s or Porsche Cayennes parked in the In N Out parking lots. No, it was dirty ol' primered muscle cars with "Hooker header, Moroso, Ford sux drive a Chevy" stickers plastered all over them.
To Beaten Dead Horse

Northridge, CA

#105 Nov 10, 2010
Businesses can exist without customers like that, just look at Wal-mart.
beaten dead horse wrote:
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You INITIALLY ASSERTED it, thus the burden of proof is on you. Hearsay and lack of evidence/proof is worthless and illogical.
I don't play devil's advocate, but I heard the same (In N Out managers make around $100K/yr)...but in this economy, I'm sure things adjusted.
...Besides, I never saw Benz S500s or Porsche Cayennes parked in the In N Out parking lots. No, it was dirty ol' primered muscle cars with "Hooker header, Moroso, Ford sux drive a Chevy" stickers plastered all over them.
Jack Torrance

Van Nuys, CA

#106 Nov 12, 2010
To Jack of Torrance wrote:
All they had to do is hire you,
and they would still be in business.
Another Jack in the Box,
and the problem is solved.
<quoted text>
... or anyone with management skills. Instead, unqualified managers are elevated from within and it always fails. Everything in your statement is true. Funny that you don't know who Jack Torrance was, speaking of incompetent managers.
Alexandros

Anaheim, CA

#107 Jul 16, 2012
Lynnie wrote:
I wondered when the acres of empty stores all along Hawthorne, not just south of Del Amo, but from Artesia Blvd to Palos Verdes, would get some attention.
I hardly see how liberals are responsible for this. People now leave the state to buy their home furnishings and cars, or what? Or could it be that the economic collapse created by Republican policies has made buying much of anything a struggle?
And could someone explain to me how a guy gets elected mayor by being anti-growth? Growth is just another name for life. Only stones don't grow. They sink to the bottom. So now the city's tax base has shrunk, and I suppose they'll have to give tax breaks to get someone into all this empty real estate.
I think they should do something about the vacant Del Amo parcel hidden behind Hawthorne Blvd on Madrona Ave and Fashion Way. This part's been proven by Torrance's Hawthorne Blvd plan.

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