No charges in Iola Taser death

No charges in Iola Taser death

There are 107 comments on the Chanute Tribune story from Oct 17, 2007, titled No charges in Iola Taser death. In it, Chanute Tribune reports that:

No charges in Iola Taser death Chance Shrum, Iola, who died May 15 after being subdued by Iola police officers using Tasers, succumbed to "cardiac dysrhythmia due to myocarditis." The Iola Register reported ... via Chanute Tribune

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Briana

Indianola, MS

#1 Oct 22, 2007
It's complete bull, the officers can't even count how many times they tased him! Yeah I really want someone like that protecting and serving...whatever..they are covering up for their own....
JoeLiberty

Brownsville, TX

#2 Oct 24, 2007
When an officer of the law says "On the Ground, or Freeze, or Stop Resisting", YOU DO IT. Just like when a traffic light is red, YOU STOP. This turd died because they were a danger to society AS ELL AS A DANGER TO THEMSELVES. I would much rather defend the stop light than the speeder...
Dawno

Waverly, KS

#3 Nov 2, 2007
THIS IS ABSOLUTELY BS! Those cops obviously don't know what they are doing, because first of all, he was no harm to no one... he was NAKED... so that means that he had NO weapons on him!!! he was no threat to the cops...
Marshall

Waverly, KS

#4 Nov 2, 2007
I knew someone that knew this kid and the only reason he was dancing out in the street was because he was tripped out on drugs, and that right there is another reason cops should not of tasered him. They should of restrained him. The cops don't even know how many time they tasered him!!!

Since: Oct 07

Dallas, Tx

#5 Nov 2, 2007
You're right! Down with tasers! Back with nightsticks! They shouldn't have tasered him, they should have beat him down, broken his ribs, skull, arms, etc.

That'd be SO much more humane, right?

You people are funny. Tasers were designed to be an alternative to more deadly and damaging types of force. What would you rather have? A nightstick to the kneecaps and skull, resulting in permanent disability or brain damage, or a taser that, in all likelyhood will be over the moment they have you in cuffs and you stop resisting?

Do people die from tasers? Yep, sure they do. Are the 'some' bad apple cops out there? Oh you betcha. We've all seen the vids. But what would you rather a 'bad apple' cop do to you, shoot you or tase you?

Me personally? I won't get any of the above. Because I know when NOT to shoot my mouth off or resist a cop. But on the odd chance I ever do get "force" applied to me....JUST TASE ME BRO!"
Parker

Atlanta, GA

#6 Nov 7, 2007
Apparently most of you haven't visited the wonderful town of Iola Kansas anytime lately. Let's just say the cops there are almost always looking for a reason to do something they can get away with on an almost daily occasion.

That aside, these two officers didn't follow any kind of protocol in their decision to use their tasers. Ex: One of the top three No-No's of tasing somebody is if you know or even slightly suspect said person may be on drugs. Not only was his heart rate raised by this little thing, He'd also been on a good run just moments before (you wouldn't walk down a sidewalk when you're naked, would you?) In any case, officers should have known before they acted that a taser would've been a bad idea.

It's not about being humane. It's about the cops not thinking before they decided to have a little trigger happy fun

Since: Oct 07

Dallas, Tx

#7 Nov 7, 2007
I suppose you'd rather they just shot the guy?

When a guy is high on PCP, he can take many bullets before slowing down...countless incidents have proven this. You saying a guy on PCP shouldn't be tased if it can save him?

How should cops subdue him then? Hit him with a car? Oh but surely you'd gripe about that too. Tell us, superman. How do you subdue someone safely without using guns, clubs, tasers? How?
TKP

United States

#8 Nov 12, 2007
Chance Shrum was a good kid, smart, funny, kind...

As Briana once said to me "I would rather them shot him in the leg so he was paralyzed for the rest of his life than dead"

It's not that Iola cops just tased him... they tased him repeatedly. For either amusement or their own ignorance.

I was with Chance hours before his death, at a talent show... he was supporting our friend's band. He jumped on stage and danced in the middle of their set. Infact, Chance danced for any excuse... although he was not dancing when he was spotted, he was running, thats what you do when you streak, you dont walk calmly down the road.. you run like hell. He was probablly laughing, and couldn't wait to get back to the house, where his friends would give him high fives and throw him a pair of pants. Chance loved to make people laugh, and with his own twisted sense of humor, that only few understood, he would of basked in the glory of his naked spree.

Might I ask what you would do if caught naked a few blocks from your destination? I know I would be embarrassed and act in a BIZARE manner. what do you expect? "hello officer! whoops, lookee here, i seem to be naked!"

Those police did not know Chance, therefore they cannot determine "bizare manner" because Chance was one in a million.

If you could put yourselves in our position, the friends that loved him dearly, you could see how we feel about that night

Unfortunately, you can't, because the opportunity to meet, and love chance, has been taken away.

Don't judge chance, you don't know him.
and if you find yourself inclined to voice an oppinion that lacks fact and moral... well, then, your opinion means nothing to me.

Since: Oct 07

Dallas, Tx

#9 Nov 12, 2007
I love it when people who claim to know someone reply like this.

Oh he was such a good kid except for.....x,y,z!!

He didn't MEAN to go running naked down the street......he didn't MEAN to shoot up that store....he didn't MEAN to rob the guy's house at 3 am.

I've seen it all.

Here are the FACTS:

Cops have three weapons at their disposal when they face an unknown threat: a baton, a taser, and a GUN. An unknown person, even naked, can still be very very dangerous depending on the circumstances(PCP is a drug too you know...and yes, naked people can be on it as well.)

Oh sure you can say you would rather him shot in the leg and paralyzed. However, this is wrong on 2 counts. If he were paralyzed....it wouldn't be from a leg shot. It'd be from a spine shot. And to stand there and say you would like to see this "youthful, entertaining, dance-loving 'kid' paralyzed is just sick. You'd take that away from him? That's sad.

And the other factual error is how you'd be 'ok' with him being paralyzed at all.....please....you'd be on the first trip to the nearest ambulance-chasing lawyer you could find, suing for your millions. I bet you already are.

Here's the thing: in the field, cops get less than SECONDS to make what could be a life or death choice. It's infinitely easier to sit there the next day, the next week or whatever and criticize their choice. Because you can look at the situation in broad daylight, nice and calm and take all the time you need. Cops to not have that luxury. They make a decision that could mean their death or the death of a partner they've known for years.

The tasers give them an easier way to make that choice, because MOST people don't die when they get tazed. In fact, part of police training with tazers is THEM being tazed first so they know what it feels like. There is no police training for being shot or beaten bloody with a baton. There just ISN'T.

You see, permanent damage and death are not a 'possibility' when other force is used. It's a garauntee. At least with a tazer,'most' of the time the person tazed is just fine after a few minutes.
tase me please

Leslie, MI

#10 Nov 21, 2007
The success or demise of taser and Taser International, will rest soley on the amount of lawsuits filed.
An increase in deaths, means an increase in lawsuits.
Taser Int. all macho like, claims that it "doesn't settle" and has never lost. This however is deceiving the public and shareholders. Actually, technically, if you reach an agreement without involving a judge, you are still settling. Right?
Just because you don't go before a judge who renders a decision in favor of one party or the other, does not technically make you victorious if you still end up paying large amounts of cash to families of someone who died as a result of your product. Right?
Someday Taser Int.(who by the way promises to go to court on behalf of departments who are sued while using the taser product, giving departments very little to lose and possibly creating rogue cops) will come up against a family with the money and status, who will not be so willing to accept a pittance in exchange for their loved ones life. Some day, Taser will actually have to go to trial where they may be found liable. GASP!
Then what?
Darl

United States

#11 Nov 21, 2007
The death penalty on the street seems excessive. As for "the officer of the Law" tasing gray haired old grandmas or hundred pound females they have pulled out of a car who could not be a "threat", we see the macho mentality of some who wear the badge. I hope they sue the hell out of makers of these weapons and the police depts they "work" for.

And maybe these officers could demonstrate this non-resisting stance after being tased the same number of shots. Volunteers?

Since: Oct 07

Dallas, Tx

#12 Nov 21, 2007
Actually, brainiac, being tazed is part of a police officer's training. They ALL get tazed to know what it feels like.
AFRAID PARENT

United States

#13 Nov 26, 2007
i want to say i think what happen was so uncalled for. i think the police are not trained here to deal with most of the situations. i think the police should have to go to st. louis mo,. new york, places that have real crime and be trained. that way they would know what real crime is , and how to deal with each situation accordingly. there was no reason for tazing or even as the man said in an artical beating a BOY if it is plainly seen he has no weapon. this boy was not a huge person, for god sakes , u can'T tell me that our own police are not tough or strong enough to put this boy on the ground. come on. thats rediculious.the police made the situtation must worse upon themselfs, and i think they should of been charged.how can we tell our children ," if someone is trying to pick u up or ur in trouble , run to the police. "the police here are the ones who hurt! my god is there no place safe for our children anymore. U POLICE ARE SUPPOSE TO PROTECT OUR CHILDREN , NOT HURT THEM OR EVEN WORSE AS WHAT HAS ALREADY HAPPENED!!!!!
CRIME

Sainte Genevieve, MO

#14 Nov 26, 2007
before someone on here says this young boy deserved what he got , think if it was ur child!!! no , and i mean no parent deserves to lose a child , how can anyone say such a thing like i read. what has this world come to .yes the boy made a mistake, does that mean he should die, cause if so then we all, i mean all adults have done our share of doing things we no wasn't right . i feel for the family who reads this crap and have to relive this over and over. try using ur hearts instead of just talking !have some kind of heart , and respect for the family/there the ones who really have to go threw all the hell , NOT US!!! and as for the police who done this , HOW DO U SLEEP AT NIGHT KNOWING THIS CHILD NEVER GOT TO BE AN ADULT , ALL BECAUSE U DIDN'T THINK BEFORE U THOUGHT!!!!
UNREAL CRAP

United States

#15 Nov 26, 2007
TEXAS UNREAL, I WOULD ALMOST BET U ONE OF THE POLICE THERE IN IOLA. I THINK U SHOULD STOP MAKING EXCUSES FOR WHAT U OR THEY DID. IT WAS WRONG. AND I THINK EVERYTHING U HAVE TYPE HERE IS A JOKE , AND IF IT WOULD HAPPEN TO UR CHILD , U SURE THE H-LL WOULDN'T BE SAYING THE CRAP U R TYPING. AND THIS PAPER NEEDS TO STOP MAKING UP STATES THESE PEOPLE ARE FROM WHAT IS RESPONDING.
NEWCOMER

United States

#16 Nov 26, 2007
i moved here to iola a few years ago to get my children away from the city crime. i thought this was the place , till that young boy's life was taken from him for no reason. in the city u worrry about ur children getting killed by gangs and crap , and now here we have to worry about our children with the police here.so now i have come to relize there is nowhere or noone safe for our children.all as parents we can do is pray that our children WILL NOT BE NEXT. i am the first to say i am afraid everytime my child goes out that door , just to walk to a friends, will he be hurt , no by other children but by the police, Iola is a beautiful place , its a shame our own police caused such a terriable thing to happen here that noone will ever forget. i have 1 question to thise that was involved. can u really say u did the only thing there was to do to solve such a miner situation?? i am sorry for this kind of reply ,but wrong is wrong.

Since: Oct 07

Dallas, Tx

#17 Nov 26, 2007
CRIME wrote:
before someone on here says this young boy deserved what he got , think if it was ur child!!! no , and i mean no parent deserves to lose a child , how can anyone say such a thing like i read. what has this world come to .yes the boy made a mistake, does that mean he should die, cause if so then we all, i mean all adults have done our share of doing things we no wasn't right . i feel for the family who reads this crap and have to relive this over and over. try using ur hearts instead of just talking !have some kind of heart , and respect for the family/there the ones who really have to go threw all the hell , NOT US!!! and as for the police who done this , HOW DO U SLEEP AT NIGHT KNOWING THIS CHILD NEVER GOT TO BE AN ADULT , ALL BECAUSE U DIDN'T THINK BEFORE U THOUGHT!!!!
Oh of course not, it'd be much better if that cop had been killed, right?

You're pathetic.

Since: Oct 07

Dallas, Tx

#18 Nov 26, 2007
UNREAL CRAP wrote:
TEXAS UNREAL, I WOULD ALMOST BET U ONE OF THE POLICE THERE IN IOLA. I THINK U SHOULD STOP MAKING EXCUSES FOR WHAT U OR THEY DID. IT WAS WRONG. AND I THINK EVERYTHING U HAVE TYPE HERE IS A JOKE , AND IF IT WOULD HAPPEN TO UR CHILD , U SURE THE H-LL WOULDN'T BE SAYING THE CRAP U R TYPING. AND THIS PAPER NEEDS TO STOP MAKING UP STATES THESE PEOPLE ARE FROM WHAT IS RESPONDING.
I'm not making excuses for anyone. Don't like the taser? Fine, then I say the cop should have pulled his gun out and put two rounds in the guy's chest. Or perhaps pulled out his nightstick and broke the guy's spine, leaving him in a wheelchair for the rest of his life.

Any outcome would be better than that cop not going home to see HIS kids because he hesitated for a split second because he was too worried about what you arm-chair quarterbacks would say when you read the news paper the next morning.

The moment a cop starts to worry more about what the newspapers will say and less about the gun looking him in the face...that's the moment he doesn't get to go home to his family.

Cops put their lives on the line DAILY...even HOURLY for us. And it's very low-class and very lame for people to sit there, with ample time to make a decision and say that what he did or did not do in a split-second time-frame was right or wrong. Cops are trained, highly trained to do what they do day in and day out. That training must click in an a fraction of a second. We get days, weeks, months, to review what they LIVE in mere seconds. Hesitation means their children have no father....hesitation means their wives are a single parent. Hesitation for a cops means DEATH. Tasers are supposed to be non-lethal. They're also supposed to work the first time. Neither of which is always true. Sometimes they DO kill. Sometimes a person gets hit from a taser and keeps fighting. Sometimes....just SOMETIMES....a person has half a clip of bullets emptied into his chest and STILL manages to keep fighting. You can't plan for 'every' eventuality. Nor can you whine and cry about police brutality without knowing all of the facts.

Does police brutality exist? Oh you betcha. I'm sure it does. But we shouldn't be so quick to cry brutality every single time something bad happens. Sometimes s--- just happens. Ya know?
CRIME

United States

#19 Nov 27, 2007
I'M PATHETIC? MY GOD SIR DID U MISS SOMETHING.? U KKEP SAYING CRAP ABOUT THE COP SHOULD OF USED A NIGHT STICK OR A GUN . HOW HE MUST PROTECT HIMSELF. WELL U KNOW IF THIS BOY WOULD OF HAD A WEAPON , THEN OF COURSE THE POLICE MUST DO WHAT IS SAFE FOR THEM AND THE PUBLIC. MY GOD HE WAS NAKED, WHAT WAS HE GOING TO DO( PENIS WHIP )THE POLICE . COME ON GET REAL. HE WAS JUST A KID WITH NOTHING TO FIGHT WITH. WHY DID THESE POLICE JUST KNOCK HIM ON HIS BUTT AND POP THE HAND CUFFS ON .IT MAKES NO SENSE TO TAZE, BEAT, OR SHOOT A KID FOR BEING NAKED.AND CRYING POLICE BRUTALITY, U BETTER BELIEVE IT, WHEN IT COMES TO A NAKED BOY WITH NOWAY OF CARING A WEAPON OF ANY SORT. I AGREE NOT ALL POLICE ARE BAD, BUT ON THIS CASE , POLICE ARE IN THE WRONG, NOMATTER HOW U LOOK AT IT. WE CAN NOT HAVE OUR CHILDREN PUT TO DEATH BECAUSE THEY MADE A SILLY MASTAKE. THIS WAS NOT A SERIOUS CRIME HE DID . NOT FOR ROBBERY OR KILLING SOMEONE, OR EVEN HURTING SOMEONE. HE JUST TOOK HIS CLOTHS OFF AT THE WRONG TIME AND PLACE.SHOULD HE OF GOTTEN IN TROUBLE, YES, BUT TAZED TO DEATH , THERE WERE MORE THAN 1 POLICE OFFICER THERE , AND LET ME TELL U SOMETHING, I WOULD RATHER GET MY SON BACK CRIPPLED FROM BEATING THAN HAVING TO GO TO HIS FUNERAL. WOULDN'T U?????? WRONG IS WRONG , NO EXCUSE FOR WHAT HAPPEN TO THAT BOY.NOMATTER HOW U LOOK AT THIS SITUATION. AND STOP TALKING CRAP ABOUT HOW THE POLICE COULD OF BEEN KILLED , SH-T, UNLESS HE HAD A DEADLY PENIS,(LOL) THERE WAS NO DANGER .
WE THE PEOPLE

United States

#20 Nov 27, 2007
most people dont wake up in the morning worry if this is going to be your last day. i know some people make wrong decisions every day even young people. why ive made ton and still do,but there should have been a fine line when these officers used the force they used.now iam am not saying tazers are bad when the right sitution arises,like when some one is armed or a cop being charged,lets face it the boy was as bare as the day he was born,plus he didnt charge anyone.what ever happen to good old pepper spray or since there was three of them how about just tackeling the boy.i feel and i think most people will agree that what happened was unjust to chance.

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