Lawmakers reject recommending statewide smoking ban

[just candid]

With the problems we have in this country we have to start getting it right someplace. Smoking restrictions are a very good first step.

[fun lovin life]

I KNOW.... Let's ban windows that open, since so many children keep falling out of them..

I mean we could just learn to watch the children better and teach them,, but why waste time in educating our young when we can ask legislation to intervene for us and make it impossible for them to learn right from wrong.

[RADAR]

I believe that all the cities and counties need to put this topic up too a vote by the people. I am curious too see the voter who will turn out for this issue.
It is easy to attack someone on here for their post. It is easy to copy and past someone’s comments, post a web site on this issue or post some statistics from who knows where on here. It is easy to rant about some other topic other then the issue at hand. Save those posts when they come up.
I have been on both sides of the fence of this issue. I quit 20 years ago. Best thing I ever did. I got tired of not being able to breath. I know the addiction in having a smoke before and after a meal. I know the addiction when having a drink. It is also a social thing to smoke. The issue is right in front of us. No smoking in public places for HEALTH reasons and nothing more. Save the other issues for another day. One issue at a time peoples :) It is understandable for the smokers to get defensive about this issue. However they need to see the BIG picture! As yourself is the smoking ban in public places targeting you as an individual or is it for the good of all people? I know your answer you think it is an attack on you right? We have to stop thinking about ourselves and look what would be best for the kids and others around us. Think about what other children think when your kids come to school smelling like an ash tray? Think how your kids will fell when they hear that they are the smelly kids in school because you smoke in the home. What about their health? Is your kid’s health important to you? What are you exposing your kids to when you smoke around them? I know what the argument will be. These are my kids and not yours, right? Just think about this what kind of health issues do your kids have? What would your kid’s health be if you went outside the home for a smoke instead of inside? As one person stated it is not a ban from smoking in your home or car. It is a plea for a smoke free environment in a public place!
To all the smokers if you value your kid’s life and health try smoking outside the home for 6 months and see if your kid’s health improves. If nothing else your kids won't be the smelly kids in class anymore. I know I will hit a nerve on this one. This is to all you mothers who are or is thinking about getting pregnant QUIT for your baby’s health!

[fun lovin life]

Hey RADAR,,,,,,

Are you a Property Owner.? Do you want "your" rights preserved.... Or, are you going to just stand back and watch someone take them away..

Smoking was already on its way out.. we do not need selfgratifying, control freak bullies trampling all over our rights to get it.

[Who are you]

just candid - you are an insult to Kansas -- you state the GOOD people of Kansas more than can be counted implying that because I am a smoker that I am not a good person of Kansas - Well I pay my tax and I pay more than you when I buy my cigarettes I have never been on welfare or depended on any government agency to help me out. So I like to smoke what is it to you - you have a chose in where to frequent -- and we good smokers of Kansas don't want you around anyway.

[just candid]

One out of every 4/5 Hard Core Smokers will die from COPD ,will you be next?

[RADAR]

Yes "fun lovin life" I am a property owner. And NO ONE IS ALLOWED to smoke in my home! If you are referring to my rights to smoke well you must not have paid any attention to what I posted. I am not a smoker any more. I was unaware that smoking was on its way out for you to smoke freely in your home! I didn't know I was a "self gratifying, control freak" Who would have thought! I don't have a problem with smoking as long it is not in my face! I am around smokers all day at work. We have a state of Kansas policy that there is no smoking in our buildings and there will be no smoking in our trucks when two people are in it agreeing to the smoking. I look for them to ban smoking period in all state owned property which includes vehicles in the near future!
So it is not always a matter of choice! But a way of life and a smoke free environment!

[fun lovin life]

RADAR wrote:

Yes "fun lovin life" I am a property owner. And NO ONE IS ALLOWED to smoke in my home! If you are referring to my rights to smoke well you must not have paid any attention to what I posted. I am not a smoker any more. I was unaware that smoking was on its way out for you to smoke freely in your home! I didn't know I was a "self gratifying, control freak" Who would have thought! I don't have a problem with smoking as long it is not in my face! I am around smokers all day at work. We have a state of Kansas policy that there is no smoking in our buildings and there will be no smoking in our trucks when two people are in it agreeing to the smoking. I look for them to ban smoking period in all state owned property which includes vehicles in the near future!
So it is not always a matter of choice! But a way of life and a smoke free environment!

RADAR,,,,, I do not smoke in my home either....No big deal....

I am referring to your rights as a property owner,,, do you believe that the govt. has the right to come into your home and dictate how you live..... I'm talking about things other than smoking.......Property rights do not end at the choice of smoking - that is just the beginning. If we go like sheep and just follow these dogs around, soon it will be everything that they control.... And I do not want that.

If one is not part of the solution,,, then they are part of the problem..

It is everyone's rights that are at stake here (smokers and non-smokers alike). Smoking is not the real issue here...

It is: Letting legislation into our very choices that we make regarding our Property rights.... Do you pay taxes and abide by the law so you can be towed around by your nose, and told what to do within your private property,,,,,,NO, you said you didn't... do you think it wise to let legislation force others to do what you are not willing to be forced to do yourself.??

[fun lovin life]

Yes......this is a little abstract.

Has anyone ever seen the movie Millenium with Cheryl Ladd...?? In that movie, they "HAD" to smoke to even out the toxic air within and without...

What if legislation was trying to force us to smoke because of the very same reason they claim to want us to quit now...

Our pollution level from vehicles far exceeds the pollution level from cigarettes...Remember now,,, smokers only total 20 to 25% of the population...(smoking was on it's way out anyway).... Would that be fair to Force this....... I do not think so,,, just as I do not think it is fair to hold one group of people over another....

Non-smoking establishments were always an option,,, Now, smoker friendly establishments are not even an option...... It is discrimination. And it leaves the owner with no choice in how he/she will run their business....

I would still like certain places to remain non-smoking, ie. restaurants - but it has to be an option for the owner to choose...

Bars, Pubs and clubs etc.... are filled with adults who would most likely, like to make their own decisions.... No one sent out personal invitations to their establishments,, people just invited themselves in on their own because the doors were open to the public....CHOICE

If you don't want to go in,,,Don't....

Just for the record,,,,, now that Property owners have NO CHOICE regarding this RIGHTS ISSUE,,,

I choose NOT to patronize. CHOICE

It has nothing to do with smoking,,,,I am quitting

[RADAR]

I guess having owning and having to apply for a business license has nothing to do with anything not being able to smoke or not? It was a person's CHOICE to go into business and meet the requirements and regulations set forth by the cities, counties and state to keep such licence is this not true? As a home owner we are not required to go by those set rules are we! Home owner business owner are two separate issues there.
It is easy to be so blind of the BIG PICTURE is it! The "MOVIE with Cheryl Ladd" is just that a movie. Hence not in "real life" you need to separate fantasy from real life here! Once you get all of those toxins out of your system maybe you'll have a clear head and be able to establish the difference between home owner and business owner. Good luck in figuring that one out!

[fun lovin life]

Gee,,,didn't I say "abstract" and didn't I say "movie" and didn't I say "what if" ????

Why Yes, I did...... You act as if I was thinking it was real.... I am sorry you don't understand hypothetical.....

I used to be a business owner in my very own home..
hence "home business"... No score value for you there.

And when these businesses were filling out these forms for our illustrious govts. filing cabinets.. No where in there did it say to them that "in the future we will be taking away certain rights that may or may not affect your income level or staff employment"... A bar is a bar. Everyone knew exactly what would be going on in it..... No suprises there... Our legislation are nothing but thieves, they robbed the innocent business owners of their sovereign right to make an income from their chosen type of establishment....

The most they should have been able to restrict should have been applications for "new" businesses... NOT already established ones. Good luck with your thoughts as well.

[Caleb]

This is all just bahhh. I am not a smoker, but I believe that banning smoking in public places is an outrage. Why stop at banning it in public places? Why not just ban it all together while you are at it. If you do not like eating at a smoking establishment and you feel so strongly about it to have it banned why not stop being so doltish and solve it yourself and just not eat there. If you don't agree with what the establishment allows(ed)then simply do not eat there.
Ah its just like why my mother when I was little would not go to a movie rental store because they also allowed the the renting of porn.
Simply just do not go. Giving up freedom should be by those who disagree not agree.

[fun lovin life]

It's funny how when a thread is leaning towards the fact that these bans are disturbingly wrong, all the anti's disappear.

[Kansas]

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[fun lovin life]

Yep,, they come in long enough to give me a big red X, but do not have anything of value to share...

Non-smoking establishments have always been a legal option.. It just takes someone to get off their duff and do it... But..anti's would rather let legislation do their thinking for them and drive the business owner into ruin... That's real American......

[good to me]

if you want to smoke go ahead I don't care, but when it affects your health and the health of your loved ones, don;t ask for my help and don't sue the government or the tobacco companies. you knew the risks when you started this . so be resposible for your actions. smoke all you want but when the bigE or bigC catch up to you, sorry you made your bed now sleep in it! and as far as the government getting in on it, they should not, they need to say on the business end and leave the consumption end alone. And I am an ex who quit ten years ago after smoking for 20 years so I won't lecture any more. we have enough government in our lives we don't need any more.

[fun lovin life]

I already have the big C (non-smoking related).... But you are right 'good to me' It doesn't change the fact that turning over our rights to the govt. is a good thing. I will fight for my rights until the day I die..... Anti's wish this upon smokers all the time..... Oh well.