Wis. student sues school district ove...

Wis. student sues school district over religious drawing

There are 38 comments on the TwinCities.com story from Mar 31, 2008, titled Wis. student sues school district over religious drawing. In it, TwinCities.com reports that:

A student has filed a federal lawsuit alleging Tomah school officials censored his drawing because it featured a cross and a reference to a Bible verse.

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Oppression

Minneapolis, MN

#1 Mar 31, 2008
Slam the constitution, particularly the bill of rights in this Districts face! The fact that violence, sex, and blood are listed in the sentence makes it seem like these are all equally bad and equally inappropriate. This is NOT what America is. I am Christian, and I believe that people of the Jewish, Hindu, Islam, and other religion have the same rights as I, that is to practice the religion I want without the government preventing my free exercise. I hope people lose their jobs for this violation of the 1st Amendment.

For lawyers reading - in no way is the teacher grading a piece of artwork "establishment" of religion...come on, don't reply with that, you know better.
NATHAN

United States

#2 Mar 31, 2008
Are we going to ban prayer rooms for the muslims then as well? It seems that "freedom" to express youself or your heritage is ok as long as you are not a christian.
J Adams

Minneapolis, MN

#3 Mar 31, 2008
If the kid would have put the cross in a bottle of urine, he would have been named student of the month.

The governement does a great job of running the schools.
Jerry

Hudson, WI

#5 Mar 31, 2008
Time to roll back the good ol' days, 30 years ago... this is getting out of hand...
Katie

Uetikon Am See, Switzerland

#6 Mar 31, 2008
This is totally rediculous. Ever heard of the First Amendment. Why is it that someone with specific religious beliefs are allowed to pray at certain times, wear a head-dress if it is their custom. It seems that every religion, other than Christianity, is given special treatment. Are school districts that afraid of getting sued. This absolutely makes me sick. He isn't hurtung anyone with what he drew. If it offens someone: suck it up. And the fact that violence, sex, and religious beliefs are put into the same category of being banned is despicable.
Ell

Saint Paul, MN

#7 Mar 31, 2008
This story seems a bit too "neat" / black-and-white in its 'Christian student being persecuted' portrayal. In this litigious day and age, I don't think that many people/organizations are so all-fired ready to unhesitatingly step into the role of persecutor. I wonder what the rest of the story is?
JP - St Paul

United States

#8 Mar 31, 2008
I question whether any religious symbolism should be banned from schools but for a very different reason. Religion has been a significant cultural force for thousands of years and there is no denying it influence on world cultures and politics. We should be open to studying all religion as pert of an educational curriculum as it would help us understand these cultural influences. Such a course could also explore why in modern society, where most people reject mythology or the supernatural, a majority of the population still believe in some form of god. Perhaps we've been to combative on the subject of religion and we should treat it as an academic discipline as we do with history and literature.
Becca

Madison, WI

#9 Mar 31, 2008
I don't believe in God, but let the kid have his drawing...but some of you people need to settle the heck down. Calling for the teacher to be bitch slapped and struck down for this, wow, that's real Christianly of you. It is in fact such things like that and the hypocrisy of the religion that has led me away from the church.
The Real Deal

Minneapolis, MN

#10 Mar 31, 2008
Becca, the real reason you left the church is that it asks you to have a different moral standard than the one you are willing to live. There is nothing wrong with that, but there is something wrong with looking for a reason and trying to say "that is it". Someone that says someone should be slapped means nothing more than they should have their reality realigned. This is not hypocritical. Your lack of willingness to treat the comment for what it is, an excited utterance, is pathetic. It seems your looking for a reason to justify why you don't like people with different moral standards than you. When it comes down to it, most people are just to lazy to get out of bed for church once a week..specially before 9AM.
Steve Szaro

Minneapolis, MN

#11 Mar 31, 2008
Becca wrote:
I don't believe in God, but let the kid have his drawing...but some of you people need to settle the heck down. Calling for the teacher to be bitch slapped and struck down for this, wow, that's real Christianly of you. It is in fact such things like that and the hypocrisy of the religion that has led me away from the church.
Read the Bible, Becca, being slapped is just the start of things. Part of Christianity is doling out consequences for actions. No different than disciplining your child when he acts out.
Pim

Palo Alto, CA

#12 Mar 31, 2008
The Real Deal wrote:
Becca, Your lack of willingness to treat the comment for what it is, an excited utterance, is pathetic. It seems your looking for a reason to justify why you don't like people with different moral standards than you. When it comes down to it, most people are just to lazy to get out of bed for church once a week..specially before 9AM.
How do you know this is just an "excited utterance?"
If you are a representative of organized religion and morality, Becca's comments are more than justified.
Snowball

Albert Lea, MN

#13 Mar 31, 2008
I have faith that You-Know-Who is quite capable of doling out consequences on his own, not requiring the terrestrial interventions of those who blashpemously assign their own ego-driven agendas to Him.
Bill

Saint Paul, MN

#14 Mar 31, 2008
Here is quote from the story "Millin showed the student a policy for the class that prohibited any violence, blood, sexual connotations or religious beliefs in artwork."

We all know the policy should read "Christian religious beliefs" all others welcome. That is what's under fire here. If this would have been a Middle Eastern student and the artwork would have had Muslim overtones nothing would be said. Because nobody wants to open that can of worms right now. But somewhere along the line it has become acceptable to crap on white, Christian males.
Randy

Saint Paul, MN

#15 Mar 31, 2008
Ell wrote:
This story seems a bit too "neat" / black-and-white in its 'Christian student being persecuted' portrayal. In this litigious day and age, I don't think that many people/organizations are so all-fired ready to unhesitatingly step into the role of persecutor. I wonder what the rest of the story is?
I agree with you. This piece is a sorry excuse for journalism. All it does is repeat the allegations made in a lawsuit and press conference. Where is there any indication that the reporter did more than call the school district for a routine "no comment because we haven't seen it yet" response? I don't know if it's laziness or bias, but it sure is unprofessional.

Talk is cheap, and anyone can "say" anything they want in a lawsuit. That doesn't mean it is necessarily the truth. It just means that someone said it happened. Before anyone talks about "slapping" someone, whether it was an excited utterance or a serious proposition, they need to find out what really happened.
Chad

Madison, WI

#16 Mar 31, 2008
it was wrong. It was probably just a teacher that was mis-informed. I am guessing that the teacher was told that she could not give out assignments or teach anything related to religion, and she took it that she could not accept religous pieces as well.

BTW a lot of great art is inspired/created in the name of religion, how you teach art without delving into religions a little bit is hard. granted, this probably is more art history than learning the basics in high school.

*just a side thought that i would find funny is if the teacher didnt give him a zero because of the subject of his drawing, but actually because his drawing ability was that bad :D
JP - St Paul

United States

#17 Mar 31, 2008
Let's not jump on Becca's case. She has every right to express her opinion in this forum. Many people believe mankind alone control our own destiny and not a supernatural power. It doesn't make them any less compassionate, immoral, or sincere than anyone else. Please show some respect.
Threat level - yellow

Minneapolis, MN

#19 Mar 31, 2008
What does the prophet Mohamed look like? Anyone have a picture they could post?
JTY

Lincoln, NE

#20 Mar 31, 2008
Threat level - yellow wrote:
What does the prophet Mohamed look like? Anyone have a picture they could post?
I think that I have a few of him fighting Joe Frazer
USA_USA

Saint Paul, MN

#21 Mar 31, 2008
He looks like the guy that owns the Quickie Mart down the street from you.
Nate

United States

#22 Mar 31, 2008
"We all know the policy should read "Christian religious beliefs" all others welcome. That is what's under fire here." -bILL COTTAGE GROVE.

Bill I agree with you 100%, I am not out to step on others rights but it comes down to everything but christianity being ok. We have to take down the ten commandments in schools, courthouses and all other public places. Prayer, oops I mean a christian prayer is not allowed in public schools or graduation cerimonies yet if rights of other religions were denied the aclu would be all over it. Today in the US we are going out of our way to add muslim prayer rooms in airports and schools yet if someone were to request a prayer room for christian students the school would throw back with "seperation of church and state"

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