Arizona boy, 8, accused of killing 2, including dad

Nov 9, 2008 Full story: KMSB-TV Tucson 1,126

Police in this small eastern Arizona community are looking into the possibility that an 8-year-old boy who is charged with killing his father and another man with a rifle had been abused, the police chief said ...

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Juan

Buckeye, AZ

#1 Nov 9, 2008
This why the stupid outdated 2nd admenment must be changed, This poor little boy is never going finish his childhood thanks to all the gun freaks that rather die then give up there dumbass gun rights, The second admenment was written at a time when guns were needed for survival, to put food on the table, how does an 8 yr old even know how to cock an firearm? If the dad did'nt die he should of have been charged for murder for showing his son to use a firearm. THE STUPID 2ND ADMENMENT HAS TO BE CHANGE ASAP!! Hopefully Obama and the dems will get that done
Bob

Tempe, AZ

#2 Nov 9, 2008
Juan wrote:
The second admenment was written at a time when guns were needed for survival, to put food on the table, how does an 8 yr old even know how to cock an firearm?
Have you ever been to St. Johns? Some people out there still do rely on guns for food.

Since: Mar 07

Location hidden

#3 Nov 10, 2008
i'm sorry but dad taught him to shoot...and maybe just maybe dad and the roommate were having their way with the boy....i was abused and at 8 i would have done it if i had the means....

Since: Sep 08

Prescott Valley, AZ

#4 Nov 10, 2008
Juan wrote:
This why the stupid outdated 2nd admenment must be changed, This poor little boy is never going finish his childhood thanks to all the gun freaks that rather die then give up there dumbass gun rights, The second admenment was written at a time when guns were needed for survival, to put food on the table, how does an 8 yr old even know how to cock an firearm? If the dad did'nt die he should of have been charged for murder for showing his son to use a firearm. THE STUPID 2ND ADMENMENT HAS TO BE CHANGE ASAP!! Hopefully Obama and the dems will get that done
I think if Obama and the dems could just teach you how to spell and use proper grammar it would be a miracle.

There is more to this story. I hope it's not because of abuse but if it was, it would be a lawful shooting under Arizona law.

Of course, if it turns out the shooting WAS justified, I bet Juan isn't going to utter a peep about it.
just a small town farmer

Queen Creek, AZ

#5 Nov 10, 2008
Juan wrote:
This why the stupid outdated 2nd admenment must be changed, This poor little boy is never going finish his childhood thanks to all the gun freaks that rather die then give up there dumbass gun rights, The second admenment was written at a time when guns were needed for survival, to put food on the table, how does an 8 yr old even know how to cock an firearm? If the dad did'nt die he should of have been charged for murder for showing his son to use a firearm. THE STUPID 2ND ADMENMENT HAS TO BE CHANGE ASAP!! Hopefully Obama and the dems will get that done
THE SECOND AMENDMENT WORD FOR WORD...
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." if the right to bear arms was not there we would still be part of england but i also see that after we revolted they re-thought leting there colonies right to bear arms and it is in our constitution to ensure if the need for a revolution against a potentioly tyranical goverment was to arise then the populus could over throw said goverment and establish a new one. and if the second amendment was not there forign countries would actualy try to invade us but they know that there is a gun behind every locked door so they dont and maybe one day you will understand that

“Lock up your cat ....”

Since: Oct 08

...or I'll kill it.

#6 Nov 10, 2008
The police wanting to have an eight year old tried as an adult is the most disturbing aspect of this for me.
Peace

United States

#7 Nov 10, 2008
AZBiker wrote:
<quoted text>
I think if Obama and the dems could just teach you how to spell and use proper grammar it would be a miracle.
There is more to this story. I hope it's not because of abuse but if it was, it would be a lawful shooting under Arizona law.
Of course, if it turns out the shooting WAS justified, I bet Juan isn't going to utter a peep about it.
So what are you the grammer police. This aint about Obama this is about a 8 year old whos just a baby sitting in a detention center scared to death. No one here nos what this childs life has been like. For Gods sake if you are a parent imagine if he were your child. They said the stepmother an mother could take him home an they have refused. He has no one .God nos I have a 9 year old son there is no way I could not as a mama take him home. Pray for the boy hes a baby. I wolud take him in a minute. He needs someone. Imagine being a little 8 year old boy an thinking you had no one. Everyone please say a prayer for this child something is wrong somewheres

Since: Sep 08

Prescott Valley, AZ

#8 Nov 11, 2008
Peace wrote:
<quoted text>So what are you the grammer police. This aint about Obama this is about a 8 year old whos just a baby sitting in a detention center scared to death. No one here nos what this childs life has been like. For Gods sake if you are a parent imagine if he were your child. They said the stepmother an mother could take him home an they have refused. He has no one .God nos I have a 9 year old son there is no way I could not as a mama take him home. Pray for the boy hes a baby. I wolud take him in a minute. He needs someone. Imagine being a little 8 year old boy an thinking you had no one. Everyone please say a prayer for this child something is wrong somewheres
I wasn't the first person who mentioned Obama, that would be Juan. I agree with you that something is wrong with this case.
Peace

United States

#9 Nov 11, 2008
AZBiker wrote:
<quoted text>
I wasn't the first person who mentioned Obama, that would be Juan. I agree with you that something is wrong with this case.
Thank you please pray for the boy
Juan

Buckeye, AZ

#10 Nov 11, 2008
Peace wrote:
<quoted text>Thank you please pray for the boy
Az biker is more worried about his precious guns, Your right that little guy is still a baby, The chief of police said it was premeditated, thats a bunch of bull, They have to release him to some loving family or someone who give him the love that every child deserves,
Peace

United States

#11 Nov 11, 2008
more news just found out the stepmothyer was married to the boys daddy in september I think they should be asking her questions .Tell me why would the daddy tell her to whip his son an they just had been married a couple of months. I bet shes the abuser.

Since: Sep 08

Prescott Valley, AZ

#12 Nov 12, 2008
Juan wrote:
<quoted text>Az biker is more worried about his precious guns, Your right that little guy is still a baby, The chief of police said it was premeditated, thats a bunch of bull, They have to release him to some loving family or someone who give him the love that every child deserves,
As I understand it, neither the mother nor the step-mother wanted to take the boy. Just where is he supposed to go?
Chianne

Augusta, GA

#13 Nov 12, 2008
What a load of crap. Poor boy???? What about the two murder victims who's lives have been destroyed? What are they? Chopped liver, to be just tossed at this boy's feet?

As late as Monday afternoon of THIS week both the Police Chief and this boy's own attorney has said NO ABUSE has been uncovered.

What happened here is a boy got pizzed that he was spanked and yes, spanked, even he said "swats" and we can all believe once LE knew that, LE checked out his body to see if he had any marks and he couldn't have had any or they wouldn't be saying they have uncovered NO abuse.

So lets get real here. What we have here is a kid that was furious because he was disciplined over something that was his own fault. HE is the one that did not bring his papers home, like evidently he had been asked to do prior to not doing so.

He killed these men in cold blood. Even luring the coworker into the home saying he needed him. How cunning and as the man approached to see what he needed he shot and reloaded his weapon each time and shot him four times just like he did his dad.

And the gun whine is just a stupid excuse and pure BS. Millions of kids at a young age have been taught to hunt game but NEVER are they taught to be a stalker of human prey and there isn't a damn statistic ever that shows that they are!!!! If so, lets see someone but the facts to that up instead of just shooting off their mouths. Anyone with half a brain knows the difference in a human being and a small prairie dog. Prairie dogs can be legally hunted in AZ. No one has a right legally to kill another human being in Arizona or elsewhere.

I am glad to see that this boy will be held in juvenile detention until the trial. The father was so well liked in that town and always talked lovingly about his only son...no one there is going to want to take him and surely not the stepmother since this boy murdered her own husband and his coworker right in their own home.
Chianne

Augusta, GA

#14 Nov 12, 2008
Az biker is more worried about his precious guns, Your right that little guy is still a baby, The chief of police said it was premeditated, thats a bunch of bull, They have to release him to some loving family or someone who give him the love that every child deserves,
**********
Not premeditated? Surely you must be joking.

He had a single shot weapon. That means he had to reload it each time with another bullet and another and another......eight times and take the spent casing out of the rifle each time he shot!

He lured the coworker to come into the house where he had already murdered his father. He lay in wait until he approached and then once again put a bullet in and took the bullet casing out four times! Just like he did when he murdered his own father.

I suggest you look up the legal definition of "premeditation" and you will see this boy is charged correctly.

And they don't have to release him even though he does have family members in that town. He will be held in juvenile detention until the trial in juvenile court. If his own mother is afraid to get custody of him why should anyone else be less fearful especially knowing what he is capable of doing?
Juan

Buckeye, AZ

#15 Nov 12, 2008
Chianne wrote:
Az biker is more worried about his precious guns, Your right that little guy is still a baby, The chief of police said it was premeditated, thats a bunch of bull, They have to release him to some loving family or someone who give him the love that every child deserves,
**********
Not premeditated? Surely you must be joking.
He had a single shot weapon. That means he had to reload it each time with another bullet and another and another......eight times and take the spent casing out of the rifle each time he shot!
He lured the coworker to come into the house where he had already murdered his father. He lay in wait until he approached and then once again put a bullet in and took the bullet casing out four times! Just like he did when he murdered his own father.
I suggest you look up the legal definition of "premeditation" and you will see this boy is charged correctly.
And they don't have to release him even though he does have family members in that town. He will be held in juvenile detention until the trial in juvenile court. If his own mother is afraid to get custody of him why should anyone else be less fearful especially knowing what he is capable of doing?
That kind of info has not been released, Were you there? Or are you just fantasizing? Why dont you look up the definition of ignorant, you fool

Since: Mar 07

Location hidden

#16 Nov 12, 2008
ok just cause "so far" there was no sign of abuse..doesn't mean sexual abuse wasn't happening...i'm sorry unless we all believe in the "bad seed" gene then this kid could not be just plain evil...something somewhere...maybe not with the dad...maybe the reason the dad had custody is because of abuse from the mother...who had just recently visited her son....i think that is where they should be looking...especially in her being absent from coming forward to see her son....maybe she planted things in the boys head...for jealousy or monetary purposes....

i am not saying the stepmom...but a news article stated that the boys natural mother visited him that weekend and had just left that day....

“Lock up your cat ....”

Since: Oct 08

...or I'll kill it.

#17 Nov 12, 2008
Chianne wrote:
What a load of crap. Poor boy???? What about the two murder victims who's lives have been destroyed? What are they? Chopped liver, to be just tossed at this boy's feet?
As late as Monday afternoon of THIS week both the Police Chief and this boy's own attorney has said NO ABUSE has been uncovered.
What happened here is a boy got pizzed that he was spanked and yes, spanked, even he said "swats" and we can all believe once LE knew that, LE checked out his body to see if he had any marks and he couldn't have had any or they wouldn't be saying they have uncovered NO abuse.
So lets get real here. What we have here is a kid that was furious because he was disciplined over something that was his own fault. HE is the one that did not bring his papers home, like evidently he had been asked to do prior to not doing so.
He killed these men in cold blood. Even luring the coworker into the home saying he needed him. How cunning and as the man approached to see what he needed he shot and reloaded his weapon each time and shot him four times just like he did his dad.
And the gun whine is just a stupid excuse and pure BS. Millions of kids at a young age have been taught to hunt game but NEVER are they taught to be a stalker of human prey and there isn't a damn statistic ever that shows that they are!!!! If so, lets see someone but the facts to that up instead of just shooting off their mouths. Anyone with half a brain knows the difference in a human being and a small prairie dog. Prairie dogs can be legally hunted in AZ. No one has a right legally to kill another human being in Arizona or elsewhere.
I am glad to see that this boy will be held in juvenile detention until the trial. The father was so well liked in that town and always talked lovingly about his only son...no one there is going to want to take him and surely not the stepmother since this boy murdered her own husband and his coworker right in their own home.
The kid is 8 years old, he is not considered mature enough to make his own decisions by law...why should he beld responsible by the law? The father had a responsibility to make sure the gun was not accessable by young children.

Since: Sep 08

Prescott Valley, AZ

#19 Nov 12, 2008
noteatpig2getha wrote:
<quoted text>
The kid is 8 years old, he is not considered mature enough to make his own decisions by law...why should he beld responsible by the law? The father had a responsibility to make sure the gun was not accessable by young children.
And on that responsibility, there was an Epic Fail.
Susan

Bristol, PA

#20 Nov 12, 2008
Guns are around for self protection, for food acquisition, and for sport. There is nothing wrong with that. Your parroting of a mistaken interpretation of the constitution shows that you cannot think for yourself.

If you feel it is necessary to outlaw guns because of something a kid did then please, get on your soapbox about cars. Kids and cars kill way more people than guns do. How about hospitls? Let's outlaw them too. Wy too many people die in hospitals.

You are just dumb.

To you I say BAAAA (you are such a sheep you might understand that)
Juan wrote:
This why the stupid outdated 2nd admenment must be changed, This poor little boy is never going finish his childhood thanks to all the gun freaks that rather die then give up there dumbass gun rights, The second admenment was written at a time when guns were needed for survival, to put food on the table, how does an 8 yr old even know how to cock an firearm? If the dad did'nt die he should of have been charged for murder for showing his son to use a firearm. THE STUPID 2ND ADMENMENT HAS TO BE CHANGE ASAP!! Hopefully Obama and the dems will get that done

“Comfortably Numb”

Since: Oct 07

Phoenix,Az

#22 Nov 12, 2008
all i have to say about this is

STUPID IS AS STUPID DOES.

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