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[Freedom]

Mike wrote:

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I already told you about Toxicity and Moderation and applied that to "safe levels".
Stop with the safe level crap.

You support a side that claims there is "no safe level" of tobacco smoke...correct?

This is the very preposterous concept that these bans are based upon...right?

Why would you wish to run from the very position that is used to justify your desperate need to control others lifestyle choices...unless you actually know the foolishness your position is based on and wish to hide it?

Now once again..just what other forms of smoke qualify for the special label of "no safe level"?

How about your personal top ten?

Would you be willing to apply your sides ridiculous standard to all forms of indoor smoke that contain known carcinogens...or only to those you hate?

There is nothing more annoying than a self righteous moral busybody with HUGE double standards...eh?

[Mike]

Freedom wrote:

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You support a side that claims there is "no safe level" of tobacco smoke...correct?
This is the very preposterous concept that these bans are based upon...right?
Why would you wish to run from the very position that is used to justify your desperate need to control others lifestyle choices...unless you actually know the foolishness your position is based on and wish to hide it?
Now once again..just what other forms of smoke qualify for the special label of "no safe level"?
How about your personal top ten?
Would you be willing to apply your sides ridiculous standard to all forms of indoor smoke that contain known carcinogens...or only to those you hate?
There is nothing more annoying than a self righteous moral busybody with HUGE double standards...eh?

Do you understand toxicity? Do you understand that smoke from one cigarette isn't the same as smoke from one burning building? Do you understand that one sleeping pill isn't the same as taking the whole bottle? If you subject the same person to your smoke, OVER TIME, it will be harmful. More harmful to some, less harmful to others, BUT HARMFUL EITHER WAY.

LOL at listing top 10 types of dangerous smokes.

Smoke all you want, have your smoke-easy's I don't care. Just don't try and sell the fact that SHS isn't harmful. You know it, everybody knows it. The amount of "harm" depends on the person and the amount they are subjected to it. I thought my first attempt at teaching you about toxicity was clear enough. Maybe I should re-post, I understand it takes some people a couple times before they learn something.

[PreachingToTheGa rbage]

TruthBeTold wrote:

<quoted text>Your opinion is not proof! Because if we did base the whole discussion on observation, we would see a lot of snaggle-toothed wrinkled yellow stained fingernail down right ugly people, all who smoke! In fact based on this...smokers are WAY more ugly and less educated than their nonsmoking counterparts!(Nothing less attractive than a woman who smokes!)
Again based on observation and opinion as you have done, smokers for the most part come off as being rednecks or have this backward-assed persona.
So we really must be careful of opinion based on observation, because smokers will lose that too!

Gee thats funny since 80% of the people dont smoke, and most of them are OBESE.! So Im sorry you dont have enough common sense to figure it out. That at least 80% people shopping at a grocery store are Non Smokers.! Duh !

Now talk about the Redneck persona."snaggle-toothed wrinkled yellow stained fingernail down right ugly people" Not that you would even have a chance to date a beautiful smoking women. Yes thee are a bunch of them too.! Sorry about your luck.
You proalby like them with triple chins, triple tits, and triple stomachs. More to love.?

[u cannot own me]

PreachingToTheGarbage wrote:

<quoted text>Gee thats funny since 80% of the people dont smoke,

Gee, just think nonsmokers (antis) are the majority poor uneducated and bad parents

[PreachingToTheGa rbage]

To all the brain dead anti Non Smokers on the forums. JustCandid, Truth not Told, discussed, Mazed, Eric Johston, and all you other Cancer Society mouth pieces.!

WWII vet celebrates 100 years
By Pamela Hale-Burns, Staff Writer
Posted: 11/11/2009 07:19:14 PM PST

LouAnn Green, born 69 years ago on her fathers birthday, kisses her dad, Dominic Green, as he celebrates 100 years.(Brittany Murray/Press-Telegram)Photo Gallery: Veteran celebrates 100 years
What's the key to long life? Moderation.

At least that's what Dominic Green believes.

"I guess the man upstairs says you stay here for a while," said the 100-year-old veteran at his birthday celebration Wednesday. "Live a normal life, don't eat too much, don't smoke too much, don't drink too much. That's what I did."

Dom, as he is affectionately called, joined the U.S. Navy when he was 32. He served three years during World War II, where he worked in communications.

Today the centenarian enjoys working out and smoking a good cigar.

http://www.presstelegram.com/ci_13765903...

[u cannot own me]

PreachingToTheGarbage wrote:

To all the brain dead anti Non Smokers on the forums. JustCandid, Truth not Told, discussed, Mazed, Eric Johston, and all you other Cancer Society mouth pieces.!
WWII vet celebrates 100 years
By Pamela Hale-Burns, Staff Writer
Posted: 11/11/2009 07:19:14 PM PST
LouAnn Green, born 69 years ago on her fathers birthday, kisses her dad, Dominic Green, as he celebrates 100 years.(Brittany Murray/Press-Telegram)Photo Gallery: Veteran celebrates 100 years
What's the key to long life? Moderation.
At least that's what Dominic Green believes.
"I guess the man upstairs says you stay here for a while," said the 100-year-old veteran at his birthday celebration Wednesday. "Live a normal life, don't eat too much, don't smoke too much, don't drink too much. That's what I did."
Dom, as he is affectionately called, joined the U.S. Navy when he was 32. He served three years during World War II, where he worked in communications.
Today the centenarian enjoys working out and smoking a good cigar.
http://www.presstelegram.com/ci_13765903...

Ah, what a sweet wise man

[u cannot own me]

TruthBeTold wrote:

<quoted text>Lets break this down sheri, and it really is funny and absurd yet a hypocritical statement/concept coming from you and some of the others.
You claim to be educated...in fact you claim to (GET THIS) be a teacher...a mentor to many impressionable young high school minds...and you have this very narrow, single minded, desire to promote, push, allow, and negate or dispute the dangers of this filthy nasty stinky highly unhealthy habit!
You say I am one dimensional, yet you and your drone buddies troll about the internet posting on these forums one after another ON THE SAME FREAKING TOPIC!
Smoking has engulfed your whole essence of being...it is what you savor, what you crave, what you MUST have, and ultimately the only thing you crazies talk about!
I think it is absolutely laughable that you or any other smoking troll would point a finger of one dimensional narrow mindedness to anyone....and really you should know that as you point your stubby little finger at anyone, you have three more pointing right back at yourself you silly narcissistic hypocrite.

Just some friendly advice for you, you should watch your stress level over what other people do and don't do, obsessing is stressful and stress can kill you

[JDH29]

u cannot own me wrote:

<quoted text> Hey, if your kids live in Columbus, this bozo called your kids dumb
JDH29 wrote:
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She probably teaches at Columbus City Schools....dumb teachers= dumb kids.

LOL- listen to yourself!! "I'm telling!! wahh wahh!! this bozo called your kids dumb" Get a life. "ROTFLMFAO!" :)

[JDH29]

u cannot own me wrote:

<quoted text> Gee, just think nonsmokers (antis) are the majority poor uneducated and bad parents

LOL!! GREAT LOGIC. You are seriously the biggest homo in the world. "You have to smoke in order to be smart and good parents!!!" I can't believe you smokers are siding with this tool-bag!!! ;)

[PreachingToTheGa rbage]

JDH29 wrote:

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LOL!! GREAT LOGIC. You are seriously the biggest homo in the world. "You have to smoke in order to be smart and good parents!!!" I can't believe you smokers are siding with this tool-bag!!! ;)

As an outsider, what do you think of the human race?

[JDH29]

PreachingToTheGarbage wrote:

<quoted text>As an outsider, what do you think of the human race?

You're right...I'm an outsider of the human race...I'm really a turtle that can use a keyboard!(There goes 'you can't own me's theory of smokers being smart!):)

[Sez Who]

PreachingToTheGarbage wrote:

<quoted text>Gee thats funny since 80% of the people dont smoke, and most of them are OBESE.!

Only about 30% of adult Americans are obese.(Still not sure what that has to do with smoking in bars.)

Why are you so hostile to overweight people? Aren't smokers just as likely to be overweight as non-smokers?

http://obesity1.tempdomainname.com/subs/fastf...

"Currently, 64.5 percent of U.S. adults, age 20 years and older, are overweight and 30.5 percent are obese. Severe obesity prevalence is now 4.7 percent, up from 2.9 percent reported in the 1988 - 1994 National Health and Nutrition Examination Survey (NHANES) by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC)."

[Freedom]

Mike wrote:

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Do you understand toxicity? Do you understand that smoke from one cigarette isn't the same as smoke from one burning building? Do you understand that one sleeping pill isn't the same as taking the whole bottle? If you subject the same person to your smoke, OVER TIME, it will be harmful. More harmful to some, less harmful to others, BUT HARMFUL EITHER WAY.
LOL at listing top 10 types of dangerous smokes.
Smoke all you want, have your smoke-easy's I don't care. Just don't try and sell the fact that SHS isn't harmful. You know it, everybody knows it. The amount of "harm" depends on the person and the amount they are subjected to it. I thought my first attempt at teaching you about toxicity was clear enough. Maybe I should re-post, I understand it takes some people a couple times before they learn something.

Eerrr Mike...of course I understand toxicity which is why your sides standard of "no safe level" is completely preposterous.

You on the other hand seem to fail to see that your sides bans are based on the ridiculous notion that there is "no safe level" of tobacco smoke.

This of course flys in the face of the first rule of toxicology...as you point out.

Your position is seemingly at complete odds with the movement you support...or does this go over your head?

Do you accept your sides standard of "no safe level" as being scientifically reasonable..or does it defy the first rule of toxicolgy? You seem willing to admit this standard is indeed ridiculous.

If not...would you be willing to apply your own sides standard to other known indoor carcinogens...or only to those you can't stand?

What kind of person applies one standard to things they enjoy that are harmful...and another to things they hate?

[PreachingToTheGa rbage]

Sez Who wrote:

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Only about 30% of adult Americans are obese.(Still not sure what that has to do with smoking in bars.)
Why are you so hostile to overweight people? Aren't smokers just as likely to be overweight as non-smokers?
http://obesity1.tempdomainname.com/subs/fastf...
"Currently, 64.5 percent of U.S. adults, age 20 years and older, are overweight and 30.5 percent are obese. Severe obesity prevalence is now 4.7 percent, up from 2.9 percent reported in the 1988 - 1994 National Health and Nutrition Examination Survey (NHANES) by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC)."

Thats a 15 year old report. Therefore it is not admisable.
What does obesity have to do with smoking anywhere. If you live in a glass house dont throw stones.

[Janitor]

PreachingToTheGarbage wrote:

Todays Fact---"Non Smoking = Obesity = One scale for each foot, and having to go to the zoo for X-Rays.

I don't know where people get the idea that smoking is going to prevent someone from becoming overweight. I know plenty of people who smoke and grossly overweight. They simply have two addictions. I know speed freaks who are massively overweight as well, and they can't get by without a mouthful of whites everyday, which they generally toss down with a fat mans breakfast.

[u cannot own me]

JDH29 wrote:

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You are seriously the biggest homo in the world.

Proof please

[u cannot own me]

Sez Who wrote:

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(Still not sure what that has to do with smoking in bars.)

You could ask this old looking hag, after all J&J likes for force market its Splenda and lap band surgery products,,I mean really,*FIRST THEY CAME FOR THE SMOKER* Perhaps she will give you a lesson in brilliant marketing for profit

http://www.daylife.com/photo/0ghvauj8pR0zR...

[Russ Harwood]

Another freedom " lost " by stupid voters and laws! I feel for the business owners. They should have the right to approve smoking or not. I bet many of the so called informed voters do not go to bars anyway. Duh!

[u cannot own me]

clenched fist, pursed nasty looking mouth and mean eyes..looks militant to me ah, wonder if someone dared pose a question her majesty didn't like LOL

[u cannot own me]

Janitor wrote:

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well, and they can't get by without a mouthful of whites everyday, which they generally toss down with a fat mans breakfast.

Gee, I did not know that, you certainly appear experienced