N.C. 'million acre' plan falling short

Rising land values have shoved North Carolina well off track with its drive to set aside 1 million acres for preservation by 2009. Full Story
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Iceman

Asheville, NC

#1 Mar 29, 2007
According to the Founders, just how much land is the government supposed to own anyway?
tominavl

Anderson, SC

#2 Mar 29, 2007
It's not about the government owning land. It is setting valuable areas aside to assure there is open space for future generations. I say we should be aggressively obtaining as much as possible, before the greedy developers get it all.
A Neighbor

Manteo, NC

#3 Mar 29, 2007
The developers are the worst kind of predators and we need as much protection as we can get from their greedy, grubby hands. Left to their own devices, they would pave every inch of open/green space to make a buck. Where does it end?
juanita in avl

United States

#4 Mar 29, 2007
If development don't stop,WNC will
look like parts of Montana.
People want to come here for the natural beauty, but if we aren;t careful that natural beauty will be
all gone .Then all that's left is gated communities.Our State goverment should do all they can to preserve our green lands and waterways
Michelle

Cullowhee, NC

#5 Mar 29, 2007
'Iceman'-
Private landholders also have a tremendous role in land preservation. If people had more foresight and quit thinking about themselves, maybe were better educated in biological and ecological sciences, and finally economics, land preservation by the government and private citizens benefits everybody. Take a look into the consequences of development vs land preservation with an open mind and you might just appreciate your government and fellow Americans a little more.

Since: Feb 07

Raleigh, NC

#6 Mar 29, 2007
If we pave it all over then we won't have to worry about it!

“Resist the Invasion!”

Since: Feb 07

Nebo, NC

#7 Mar 29, 2007
When the state/federal government owns most of the real estate, who will pay the property taxes? And are you really so naive as to think that, once they have grabbed the property next door to you, they will not decide that they can't live without confiscating your land, too?

Read some publications other than A C-T and tree-hugger periodicals; talk to some folks such as Jim Anthony and Rom English who have had their land seized by our benevolent government's velvet-clad iron fist. Learn what really goes on in the course of "land acquisition for the purpose of preservation" and how "willing sellers" are created. Educate yourselves.

Jeff Dreibus
Watchman

Todd, NC

#8 Mar 29, 2007
Yes we should stop greedy developers and those who want to take land under false pretenses! And to start recognize who one of these monsters is - the Nature Conservancy who is the 10th largest real estate developer in the US, and all its evil step children under the titles of Conservancies, land trusts and those Org.'s who back the UN Agenda 21 plan, the Wildlands Project ect. Environmania is running wild and should be exposed and stopped.
Watchman

Glendale Springs, NC

#9 Mar 29, 2007
For research and more info on the Nature Conservancy see these:
http://www.americanpolicy.org/prop/landgrabbi...
http://www.newswithviews.com/Morrison/joyce31...
http://www.undueinfluence.com/nature_conserva...

http://prfamerica.org/LandTrustsThreatenPP.ht...

TNC is the biggest land grabbing, economy trashing of the Green groups but not the only one. If you investigate conservation easements, land trusts, Conservancies and their links to the UN and programs like Agenda 21, the Wildlands Project, viewshed obstructions, buffer zones, global warming ect. you'll soon realize Environmentalism = power, profit and control.!
Concerned resident

Clayton, NC

#10 Mar 29, 2007
rickm wrote:
If we pave it all over then we won't have to worry about it!
I have read in the past, that it takes 17 trees to provide enough oxygen for 1 person. If we cut and pave, how much oxygen is lost?

“Man, 2 mo' years...Whew!”

Since: Feb 07

Location hidden

#11 Mar 29, 2007
Concerned resident wrote:
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I have read in the past, that it takes 17 trees to provide enough oxygen for 1 person. If we cut and pave, how much oxygen is lost?
Maybe 17 sapplings. A mature tree produces oxygen enough to support 2 people, according to "McAliney, Mike. Arguments for Land Conservation:Documentation and Information Sources for Land Resources Protection, Trust for Public Land, Sacramento, CA, December, 1993"

As to your question, the answer is "It depends."
tominavl

Anderson, SC

#12 Mar 29, 2007
Watchman, methinks you are spreading a little propaganda around. These sites you mention are a tad right-wing, ya think?

What is needed in America is a lot more balanced viewpoints. TNC has done a lot of good in America, and yes, sometimes it has hurt businesses and developers that were hoping to get their grubbly hands on land that should never be touched. I've seen them in action, and I'm grateful for their efforts.

Save WNC by supporting the careful, sustaining efforts of conservationism. There is no downside, except less $$ for developers which will mean more open space for future generations to enjoy.
tominavl

Anderson, SC

#13 Mar 29, 2007
Watchman wrote:
Yes we should stop greedy developers and those who want to take land under false pretenses! And to start recognize who one of these monsters is - the Nature Conservancy who is the 10th largest real estate developer in the US, and all its evil step children under the titles of Conservancies, land trusts and those Org.'s who back the UN Agenda 21 plan, the Wildlands Project ect. Environmania is running wild and should be exposed and stopped.
Watchman, this is your opinion, not fact. The sites you refer to lean a tad to the right, ya think? Let's put a little balance here, not political rhetoric.

We need to save valuable open space for future generations to enjoy, not for more cul-de-sacs and high-end gated communities.
Michelle

Lyman, SC

#14 Mar 29, 2007
2manytaxesandlaws wrote:
When the state/federal government owns most of the real estate, who will pay the property taxes? And are you really so naive as to think that, once they have grabbed the property next door to you, they will not decide that they can't live without confiscating your land, too?
Read some publications other than A C-T and tree-hugger periodicals; talk to some folks such as Jim Anthony and Rom English who have had their land seized by our benevolent government's velvet-clad iron fist. Learn what really goes on in the course of "land acquisition for the purpose of preservation" and how "willing sellers" are created. Educate yourselves.
Jeff Dreibus
So the government is going to own most of the real estate? Please look into land preservation issues a little deeper. Look at the various strategies. It's eye-opening, especially in regards to property taxes. Also, land preservation is a long-term investment. How much money are we going to have to spend to clean runoff from the increase in infrastructure? How much will taxpayers have to pay for clean air? And how much will our health care costs increase as a result from all of this? The costs are huge for environmental remediation. It's cost efficient to come up with a strategy that prevents the problem rather than wait for the problem to happen and then pay for it.

By the way, i have a pretty good perspective from a 'pro-development' view...just preserving open space and leaving untouched except for hiking, biking, etc. can be detrimental to a town or a city for various economic reasons...it's not sustainable. But nor are construction jobs sustainable because they're depending on folks wanting pretty 'natural views'. What's going to happen when everything looks like Reynold's Mtn. and mountain sides in Waynesville?

What would happen to us if the South American countries were to implode for any variety of reasons? Where would we get all of our food? The U.S. Department of Agriculture reports a 9% loss of agriculture in the United States (USDA, 2007). In 1974 the state of North Carolina alone had 11,243,933 acres in farmland (USDA, 2007). In 2002, the U.S. Department of Agriculture recorded 9,079,001 acres in farmland. In 1997, there were 59,120 farms and in 2002 there were 53,930, a 9 percent decrease (USDA, 2007). The Economic Service Division of the USDA reports that “Urban land area has quadrupled from roughly 15 million acres in 1945 to an estimated 60 million acres in 2002. The Census Bureau reports that the U.S. population nearly doubled over this same period. Thus, urban land area has increased about twice the rate of population growth”(USDA, 2007).

The development vs. land preservation issue is very complicated and does not call for knee-jerk reactions. It's a health, economic, national security, and environmental issue.
Iceman

Asheville, NC

#15 Mar 29, 2007
Michelle wrote:
'Iceman'-
Private landholders also have a tremendous role in land preservation. If people had more foresight and quit thinking about themselves, maybe were better educated in biological and ecological sciences, and finally economics, land preservation by the government and private citizens benefits everybody. Take a look into the consequences of development vs land preservation with an open mind and you might just appreciate your government and fellow Americans a little more.
....just how much do I appreciate my government and fellow Americans?...and how do you know?

“Resist the Invasion!”

Since: Feb 07

Nebo, NC

#16 Mar 29, 2007
Watchman,

Thanks for the links. Perhaps now some of those who think that the developers are the only threat we face can educate themselves a bit more.

Jeff Dreibus
Watchman

Glendale Springs, NC

#17 Mar 29, 2007
Enviro's remind me of the Neo-Con Republican point of view - they are always right and if you oppose them your a "right/left wing" something or another. Whats really rad is the Wildlands Project and their goals/philosophy, or the insanity of Agenda 21 or the total nonsense of Al Gore. The enviro's always say how there are too many people on Earth and we need de-population well hey they should lead by example and go start the process by whatever means they wish(Dr. Kervokian perhaps).
Watchman

Glendale Springs, NC

#18 Mar 29, 2007
Good grief - defend ones self from a insulting personal attack by a environmanic and get censored and deleted......Topix.net just another waste of time, NO problemo plenty of other forums in the cyberpond!

“Resist the Invasion!”

Since: Feb 07

Nebo, NC

#19 Mar 30, 2007
Sorry that happened to you, Watchman.

Evidently, speech is only free for those who are saying the "right" thing; more in-your-face hypocrisy from the left.

And Michelle: read your U.S. Constitution. The issue isn't very complicated at all.

Jeff Dreibus
Watchman

Todd, NC

#20 Apr 2, 2007
Now thats interesting - it appears then gets deleted then reappears...IF it was un deleted then how about re posting/un-deleting my 9/11 post that was also deleted? 2 manytaxesandlaws - check out my other posts ref: info group.

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