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Not Kidding Not Funny

Piqua, OH

#22729 Dec 4, 2012
r u kiddin wrote:
<quoted text>
Forget about it. Keep playing. Roll the dice. Take another turn.
The Springboro Police is tucked securely in the Boosters' back pocket and vice versa. The only thing that would happen from the perspective of Springboro police is collection of documents to forward to the state auditors office. No doubt any document, e-mail or budget ledger that might take down any top past or present Booster officials has already been swept under the rug with zero chance of ever being found again.
No way are decent folks in Springboro going to "forget about it" as being dictated to us on this discussion blog.
What kind of role model of good citizenship for our school children and community members is this garbage message of tossing out the truth because "the Springboro Police" is tucked securely in the Boosters' back pocket and vice versa? Shouldn't we organize some kind of citizens committee demanding a news conference with the Springboro mayor to respond to this charge against our Springboro Police?
Perhaps the "documents" have already been swept under the rug; and perhaps decent tax-paying citizens in this school district now need to "sweep" these school teachers/coaches right off our school district payroll. This boosters investigation issue must be dealt with (if not by the police; then by the elected school board officials and school superintendent) IF our school superintendent expects to win the votes needed to pass the upcoming renewal levy.
r u kiddin

Germantown, OH

#22730 Dec 4, 2012
Not Kidding Not Funny wrote:
<quoted text>
No way are decent folks in Springboro going to "forget about it" as being dictated to us on this discussion blog.
What kind of role model of good citizenship for our school children and community members is this garbage message of tossing out the truth because "the Springboro Police" is tucked securely in the Boosters' back pocket and vice versa? Shouldn't we organize some kind of citizens committee demanding a news conference with the Springboro mayor to respond to this charge against our Springboro Police?
Perhaps the "documents" have already been swept under the rug; and perhaps decent tax-paying citizens in this school district now need to "sweep" these school teachers/coaches right off our school district payroll. This boosters investigation issue must be dealt with (if not by the police; then by the elected school board officials and school superintendent) IF our school superintendent expects to win the votes needed to pass the upcoming renewal levy.
I beg your pardon! I'm not here to "dictate" anything.
I merely posted an opinion that has historical precedent to back it up.
Just Watching

Cleveland, OH

#22731 Dec 5, 2012
Who represents the boosters? Is it one of the Kirby and Kirby attorneys?
Who is the Springboro magistrate? Is it one of the Kirby and Kirby attorneys?
Who is the Warren County Court Judge? Is it one of the Kirby and Kirby attorneys?

We are saddened to have discovered a major transgression that, because of deception, was not readily observable. Once it was, we took immediate action to recover the money we knew to be missing and, in turn, notified the appropriate authorities so that the behavior can be addressed in the legal system,” the club said in a statement issued by lawyer Jeff Kirby.

I wonder how hard it is to bury something in Springboro if you know the right people?

Ask an attorney.
bodhisattva

Germantown, OH

#22732 Dec 5, 2012
Just Watching wrote:
Who represents the boosters? Is it one of the Kirby and Kirby attorneys?
Who is the Springboro magistrate? Is it one of the Kirby and Kirby attorneys?
Who is the Warren County Court Judge? Is it one of the Kirby and Kirby attorneys?
We are saddened to have discovered a major transgression that, because of deception, was not readily observable. Once it was, we took immediate action to recover the money we knew to be missing and, in turn, notified the appropriate authorities so that the behavior can be addressed in the legal system,” the club said in a statement issued by lawyer Jeff Kirby.
I wonder how hard it is to bury something in Springboro if you know the right people?
Ask an attorney.
Yeah I can see it. I can envision Kirby contacting Yost's office looking for a mulligan. Anything to keep the Boro from deviating too far from the Pleasantville that exists in Kirby's mind.
Just Watching

Cleveland, OH

#22733 Dec 5, 2012
Here is another piece worth pondering. Why is the union that represents the employees of the Ohio Education Association striking the union?

You can't make this stuff up, but it does open a window into the mindset of those who purport to do it only for the benefit of the children.

Writing on the official PSU website, OEA staff described OEA as “hell-bent on forcing its Professional Staff Union (PSU) to strike” and said,“[i]t is extremely ironic that the state’s largest advocate of school employees in collective bargaining has chosen not to bargain fairly with its own employees.”

Hit this link to find out the rest of the story:

http://ohio.mediatrackers.org/2012/06/07/why-...

What these trusting souls fail to realize is that this is a business, and to the union its members are faceless cogs they sell for a profit. The OEA could care less about a teacher, but care greatly about the OEA's profitability and subsequent cash flow.
Old News

Piqua, OH

#22734 Dec 6, 2012
Reminder wrote:
<quoted text>
I am still waiting for the answers. Where is the Springboro Police Departments investigation of the Boosters? Why hasn't the Prosecutor gotten involved?
Have the coaches turned over their bank statements and check books? Are they trying to spend all the money that is left? What is the Treasurer and the State Auditor doing?
What about the summer camp money?
WHERE IS THE MONEY?
Has the administration and the board forgotten about these issues? Are they hoping that the public forgets? I have not forgotten. I still want to know.
Old news here; but doesn't the "agreement between the school board and boosters" send notice to school district taxpayers that "business as usual" is resumed? According to the old news article of November 1, 2012, Springboro Sun reports:

"The district benefits as we have a solid agrteement with a valued organization that will guide us into the future," superintendent Todd Petrey said.
Boosters president Suzanne Edwards said she is happy with the agreement. "We never had an agreement before. The school board wants to run things by the book and we have nothing to hide." There is now a list of rules that both sides have to follow, she said.-Springboro Sun

(Could it be that "Number One" on that list of rules that both sides have to follow is, simply put:
"The Board Don't Ask/The Boosters Don't Tell".....?)

Twp resident

Germantown, OH

#22735 Dec 7, 2012
Old News wrote:
<quoted text>
Old news here; but doesn't the "agreement between the school board and boosters" send notice to school district taxpayers that "business as usual" is resumed? According to the old news article of November 1, 2012, Springboro Sun reports:
"The district benefits as we have a solid agrteement with a valued organization that will guide us into the future," superintendent Todd Petrey said.
Boosters president Suzanne Edwards said she is happy with the agreement. "We never had an agreement before. The school board wants to run things by the book and we have nothing to hide." There is now a list of rules that both sides have to follow, she said.-Springboro Sun
(Could it be that "Number One" on that list of rules that both sides have to follow is, simply put:
"The Board Don't Ask/The Boosters Don't Tell".....?)
A few months ago the media was tripping all over themselves being the first to announce an investigation into donations made by the Springboro Boosters. You would think the media might be interested in hearing the actually story....?
Twp resident

Germantown, OH

#22736 Dec 7, 2012
Media = closure?
Uno Vote

Piqua, OH

#22737 Dec 7, 2012
old news wrote:
<quoted text>
I will vote no because I am a laid off employee with a family to support.
One more vote standing with you and your family.

Until state laws in Ohio give every family the dignity of the RIGHT TO WORK without being heavily taxed by greedy union masters, then why in the world should we who are unemployed, underemployed, and employed in the private sector NOT vote against the teachers union and public safety unions?

Better Watch Out

Piqua, OH

#22738 Dec 9, 2012
Reminder wrote:
Pay attention folks. What kind of levy does the board want? They are using the terms "replacement" and "renewal" interchangeably.
<quoted text>
In addition to watching the TV broadcasts of Springboro School Board Meetings, remember to check the school website often to read agendas and minutes of board meetings and what is being said about the renewal levy coming up. You can check on the school website on the Parents Resource page for the minutes of the District Parent Council to learn more about what's happening with the levy ladies about town; such as the following comments from the District Parent Council meeting on November 27, 2012:

"A question was asked to Mr. Petrey about the renewal levy –Have you thought of a plan to reach out to Clearcreek Twp? I am pushing to get out what teachers do. I believe in Springboro people that when they see the product they are getting, they will be willing to pay. Addressing what happens academically is what we need to focus on. People are tired of hearing about when we are going to run into a deficit. People need to know what they are receiving in return for what they are paying for. Changing our message. Spotlight on the great things teachers do."

Perhaps this is a good time to open up that investigation again into those "great things that our teachers/sports coaches do" and put the spotlight first on these bank accounts that these four teachers/coaches are hiding behind legal counsel.
Wouldn't it be great to get this booster investigation cleared up before our school administrators focus on "changing our message" to renewal levy?
take it to the bank

Dayton, OH

#22739 Dec 9, 2012
Better Watch Out wrote:
<quoted text>
In addition to watching the TV broadcasts of Springboro School Board Meetings, remember to check the school website often to read agendas and minutes of board meetings and what is being said about the renewal levy coming up. You can check on the school website on the Parents Resource page for the minutes of the District Parent Council to learn more about what's happening with the levy ladies about town; such as the following comments from the District Parent Council meeting on November 27, 2012:
"A question was asked to Mr. Petrey about the renewal levy –Have you thought of a plan to reach out to Clearcreek Twp? I am pushing to get out what teachers do. I believe in Springboro people that when they see the product they are getting, they will be willing to pay. Addressing what happens academically is what we need to focus on. People are tired of hearing about when we are going to run into a deficit. People need to know what they are receiving in return for what they are paying for. Changing our message. Spotlight on the great things teachers do."
Perhaps this is a good time to open up that investigation again into those "great things that our teachers/sports coaches do" and put the spotlight first on these bank accounts that these four teachers/coaches are hiding behind legal counsel.
Wouldn't it be great to get this booster investigation cleared up before our school administrators focus on "changing our message" to renewal levy?
Unlike agenbroad's support of another fire levy, Wade and his affluent constituents, do not, and probably will never fully support any kind of school levy. History tells us so.
No levy for me

Akron, OH

#22740 Dec 9, 2012
Until the administrators and board can show that they can take care of the money that they were previously responsible for, like the Boosters, the coaches, the teachers, and any other "off the books" records, they can count my vote as a NO.

WHERE IS THE MONEY?

And, NO, I don't want to start fresh or have a new beginning, I want to know what happened to all the money that we all paid in the past. We paid $450 pay to play. We paid and contributed and harassed our friends and relatives to donate their money too. No more money without strict accountability, starting with finding the money we previously paid. I work hard, my spouse works hard, why do certain coaches who will not turn over their records seem to be living above their income level?

WHERE IS THE MONEY? NO ACCOUNTABILITY = NO LEVY
Say It Again

Piqua, OH

#22741 Dec 9, 2012
No levy for me wrote:
Until the administrators and board can show that they can take care of the money that they were previously responsible for, like the Boosters, the coaches, the teachers, and any other "off the books" records, they can count my vote as a NO.
WHERE IS THE MONEY?
And, NO, I don't want to start fresh or have a new beginning, I want to know what happened to all the money that we all paid in the past. We paid $450 pay to play. We paid and contributed and harassed our friends and relatives to donate their money too. No more money without strict accountability, starting with finding the money we previously paid. I work hard, my spouse works hard, why do certain coaches who will not turn over their records seem to be living above their income level?
WHERE IS THE MONEY? NO ACCOUNTABILITY = NO LEVY
Amen! Time for Boro to Rally First for ACCOUNTABILITY!
Renewal Levy Later......!
Mixed up

Cincinnati, OH

#22742 Dec 9, 2012
Better Watch Out wrote:
<quoted text>
In addition to watching the TV broadcasts of Springboro School Board Meetings, remember to check the school website often to read agendas and minutes of board meetings and what is being said about the renewal levy coming up. You can check on the school website on the Parents Resource page for the minutes of the District Parent Council to learn more about what's happening with the levy ladies about town; such as the following comments from the District Parent Council meeting on November 27, 2012:
"A question was asked to Mr. Petrey about the renewal levy –Have you thought of a plan to reach out to Clearcreek Twp? I am pushing to get out what teachers do. I believe in Springboro people that when they see the product they are getting, they will be willing to pay. Addressing what happens academically is what we need to focus on. People are tired of hearing about when we are going to run into a deficit. People need to know what they are receiving in return for what they are paying for. Changing our message. Spotlight on the great things teachers do."
Perhaps this is a good time to open up that investigation again into those "great things that our teachers/sports coaches do" and put the spotlight first on these bank accounts that these four teachers/coaches are hiding behind legal counsel.
Wouldn't it be great to get this booster investigation cleared up before our school administrators focus on "changing our message" to renewal levy?
The coaching scandal and the booster fiasco do not directly involve tax payer money. Lets try and not get them mixed up.
SOS

Germantown, OH

#22743 Dec 9, 2012
No levy for me wrote:
Until the administrators and board can show that they can take care of the money that they were previously responsible for, like the Boosters, the coaches, the teachers, and any other "off the books" records, they can count my vote as a NO.
WHERE IS THE MONEY?
And, NO, I don't want to start fresh or have a new beginning, I want to know what happened to all the money that we all paid in the past. We paid $450 pay to play. We paid and contributed and harassed our friends and relatives to donate their money too. No more money without strict accountability, starting with finding the money we previously paid. I work hard, my spouse works hard, why do certain coaches who will not turn over their records seem to be living above their income level?
WHERE IS THE MONEY? NO ACCOUNTABILITY = NO LEVY
I think the Boosters ought to consider planning another Save Our Scam rally.
Because their leadership demonstrated zero accountability at the first rally it would be very easy to use a second rally as a barameter for progress.
Better Watch Out

Piqua, OH

#22744 Dec 10, 2012
Mixed up wrote:
<quoted text>The coaching scandal and the booster fiasco do not directly involve tax payer money. Lets try and not get them mixed up.
Excuse me, but the way I see it (and many voters that I see out and about town "shopping and eating out" financially supporting our Springboro economy) it is agreed that everything about the booster fiasco directly involves tax payer money.
The boosters may have won the legal battle against School District tax payers; but many taxpayers on "main street" and around the "dinner table" are NOT taken in by Jeff Kirby's heart of the "panther" spin that all is wealth in the Boro and the wealth is there for the bully Boosters taking.
Many taxpayers in this school district are still apalled by the July personal attacks launched upon community members by the Boosters and their supporters; Many hard working "tax burdened" voters in this school district do not agree with the statement made by booster supporter at a public board meeting that "the boosters are ok with transparency; but that individual sports coaches should be allowed to keep their activities fees to do with as the coaches please."
Isn't this the reason the coaches refused to submit financial records that were under scrutiny; but hired a lawyer instead to just "beat the system?" Why was the taxpayer funded school athletic director never held accountable for these coaches "financial mismanagement?" And why did the taxpayer funded school treasurer NOT collect into the school athletic program these funds that individual coaches were storing up in personal bank accounts?
SOS

Germantown, OH

#22745 Dec 10, 2012
Better Watch Out wrote:
<quoted text>
Many hard working "tax burdened" voters in this school district do not agree with the statement made by booster supporter at a public board meeting that "the boosters are ok with transparency; but that individual sports coaches should be allowed to keep their activities fees to do with as the coaches please."
"I won't insult your intelligence by suggesting that you really believe what you just said."

- William F. Buckley Jr.

Yes! Exactly! This is all the more reason for Booster S.O.S Rally II. Just think! This could be so much more than a poorly-organized pep rally to inspire the public to attend BOE meetings.
S.O.S. Rally II could be the ideal opportunity for our district's taxpayers to challenge key Springboro Boosters officials regarding these past statements of hypocrisy. While everyone's together, all snuggly and comfy, maybe these officials on their own turf can explain the reasons Springboro Boosters reputation generally sux for having such a notoriously awful organizational self-discipline.
Not Mixed Up

Columbus, OH

#22746 Dec 10, 2012
Mixed up wrote:
<quoted text>The coaching scandal and the booster fiasco do not directly involve tax payer money. Lets try and not get them mixed up.
Let's be clear about this.
1. When the Coaches were fundraising (both coaches who turned over their records and those who did not), their flyers all said "Boosters" n them n one form or another.
2. I am a taxpayer. My money went to the Boosters, the Coaches and the school (pay to play).
3. Legally, the Boosters are a nonprofit 501-C-3. Except that they didn't file with the IRS and lost their exemption. The boosters are not under the authority of the State Auditor, but are under the authority of the IRS, local, county and state law enforcement, the county Prosecutor, the state attorney general and the FBI.
4. The Coaches are under the authority of the School Board, the State Auditor, and the AG among others, including local, state and federal law enforcement.

So, I am NOT mixed up. I am a taxpayer. I know that the Boosters, the Coaches and the School ALL took my money and did not spend it like they said they would.

Just because different authorities need to investigate, does not mean that it wasn't all taxpayer money.
Mixed

Lebanon, OH

#22747 Dec 11, 2012
Care to explain how the coaches didn't spend your money like you thought they should?
nirvana

Germantown, OH

#22748 Dec 11, 2012
Mixed wrote:
Care to explain how the coaches didn't spend your money like you thought they should?
You may or may not choose to recall this past summer's initial BOE meeting concerning new PtP fees where this district's coaches as well as leadership of the Springboro Boosters received respective verbal thrashings from Petrie, Kohls, Petroni, Rigano... and yes to a certain extent, Scott Anderson.

What was this verbal thrashing all about?
-Springboro Boosters key leadership being generally unaccountable to the district
-Certain Springboro coaches holding funding aside from the district's ledger (a.k.a. "slush funds")

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