Black Hooded Group Attacks Patrons With Bats at Tinely Park Restaurant

May 19, 2012 Full story: Patch.com 163

Up to 20 people clad in black clothing and wearing black hoods walked into the Ashford House Restaurant in Tinley Park and began attacking patrons inside the restaurant with hammers and clubs, witnesses said.

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Really

Constantine, MI

#42 May 20, 2012
mike wrote:
What race were the victims and assailants?
1st off who cares? You had idiots go in an atack innocent people. Idiots come in all different shapes sizes and colors. But since you asked the where whitIrish mob thing.
Really

Constantine, MI

#43 May 20, 2012
average joe wrote:
<quoted text>
Its not self defense if you are pursuing someone plain and simple. The police said stay in your vehicle and he did not. trayvon martin was defending himself, So if he had a gun and shot Zimmerman, Would you say the same thing "self defense"?
1st off go and listen t the 911 tapes. The dispatcher who has no authority suggested to Zimerman to stop following Martin. Let the courts decide this with real evidence. The media along with Jessie and Al turned this into a circus. The facts will be presented and justice will prevail.
Topics Man

Joliet, IL

#44 May 20, 2012
Zimmerman received injuries from that thug. That is a fact you nobody can dispute.
average joe

Chicago, IL

#45 May 20, 2012
ralph wrote:
<quoted text>You are correct. It would be much better to be beaten by a hammer or bat, risking death, rather than defending yourself. Have you considered a street sign with "gun free zone" in front of your place of living? Oh wait, you can't have guns in Chicago, what was I thinking. Perhaps you live in a place with private secureity, or personal guards, and if you have protection no one else matters. My desire in life is to harm no one. but there are those that will take what you have and to hell with you. If you were properly trained in firearms, would you defend yourself, or take a whoopin?
I am a stable minded person, if I was in that situation I would have picked up a chair. Im not cool with idiots like yourselves having guns. I work in the city and I am in the worse neighborhoods possible, I havent had an issue yet, this is not the wild wild west, if you want a gun move to the south with the rest of the ignorant...let them secede from the union, they are a tax burded on the north.
average joe

Chicago, IL

#46 May 20, 2012
Topics Man wrote:
Zimmerman received injuries from that thug. That is a fact you nobody can dispute.
Thug? He was a kid walking home from buying skittles, he was minding his own business. You have no clue what a fact is~
ralph

Bloomingdale, IN

#47 May 20, 2012
average joe wrote:
<quoted text>
I am a stable minded person, if I was in that situation I would have picked up a chair. Im not cool with idiots like yourselves having guns. I work in the city and I am in the worse neighborhoods possible, I havent had an issue yet, this is not the wild wild west, if you want a gun move to the south with the rest of the ignorant...let them secede from the union, they are a tax burded on the north.
Thank you for showing your great stable mind by referring to me as an idiot. I never said I had guns, simply asked a question, with a moderate amount of scarism. Sorry, I contribute to the tax base, and as much as I like parts of the south, I prefer the mountain states more. Yes I live in a small Quaker town where the people get along, and help each other, peacefully. However in a civilized society it is not "cool" to attack other human beings with bats and hammers. It is wise to be alert, and avoid confrontations, especially in the big city. If attacked, be in fear for your life.
Topics Man

Joliet, IL

#48 May 20, 2012
"Thug? He was a kid walking home from buying skittles, he was minding his own business. You have no clue what a fact is"
The new evidence also includes photos of injuries to Zimmerman that could bolster his self-defense claims, and statements from witnesses that appear to contradict some key conclusions made by investigators in an affidavit supporting Zimmerman's arrest.
The new information "tends to support what Zimmerman is saying, that he was being assaulted," said former Miami-Dade prosecutor David Waksman.
Read more here: http://www.bradenton.com/2012/05/20/4046385/w...
average joe

Chicago, IL

#49 May 20, 2012
Topics Man wrote:
"Thug? He was a kid walking home from buying skittles, he was minding his own business. You have no clue what a fact is"
The new evidence also includes photos of injuries to Zimmerman that could bolster his self-defense claims, and statements from witnesses that appear to contradict some key conclusions made by investigators in an affidavit supporting Zimmerman's arrest.
The new information "tends to support what Zimmerman is saying, that he was being assaulted," said former Miami-Dade prosecutor David Waksman.
Read more here: http://www.bradenton.com/2012/05/20/4046385/w...
Am I in another world? If you come after me and I defend myself and you shoot me that is Self defense? How about i come over to your home and push through your door and say its my home....You attack me for barging into your home, then I shoot you for self defense. Really??
Really

Constantine, MI

#50 May 20, 2012
average joe wrote:
<quoted text>
Am I in another world? If you come after me and I defend myself and you shoot me that is Self defense? How about i come over to your home and push through your door and say its my home....You attack me for barging into your home, then I shoot you for self defense. Really??
Come on keep it real and compare apples to apples. If you barge into anyones home it is called a crime Home Invasion to be specific. If you shoot someone while commiting a crime you get charged with additional crimes Let's be real here.
scooter

United States

#51 May 20, 2012
another good reason for conceal carry,shoot some of those thug bastards.

Since: Jan 10

Las Vegas, NV

#52 May 20, 2012
Note to all you black hoodie wearing bangers: Your clothing might attract large caliber rifle fire.
Tinley is Overrated

Oak Forest, IL

#53 May 20, 2012
I don't understand how Tinley has recently been judged a great place to live when shit like this happens in Tinley all the time. Not to mention the mass murderer who got of the hook, crime is high in Tinley along with the taxes. Very overrated town filled with pompous people.
BbGun

New Lenox, IL

#54 May 20, 2012
scooter wrote:
another good reason for conceal carry,shoot some of those thug bastards.
great idea just shot the thugs ... What happens when you're having a crap day and you feel the clerk at target is being a thug ... Shoot em .... What happens when your kid gets a D in history and thinks his teacher is a thug ... Shoot em .. What happens when the park district takes your football field away ... Shoot em ?... What happens when your kid cuts cut from the freshmen team ... Shoot the coach who you or your kid feels is an idiot thug? Move down south and hunt alligators ... Not thugs... By the way I love the show Swamp People ... Shoot em!
this is why

Homer Glen, IL

#55 May 20, 2012
This is the best that I have read about this issue, and I agree 100%

"The Gun Is Civilization"

By Maj. L. Caudill USMC (Ret)

Human beings only have two ways to deal with one another: reason and force. If you want me to do something for you, you have a choice of either convincing me via argument, or force me to do your bidding under threat of force. Every human interaction falls into one of those two categories, without exception. Reason or force, that's it.

In a truly moral and civilized society, people exclusively interact through persuasion. Force has no place as a valid method of social interaction, and the only thing that removes force from the menu is the personal firearm, as paradoxical as it may sound to some.

When I carry a gun, you cannot deal with me by force. You have to use reason and try to persuade me, because I have a way to negate your threat or employment of force.

The gun is the only personal weapon that puts a 100-pound woman on equal footing with a 220-pound mugger, a 75-year old retiree on equal footing with a 19-year old gang banger, and a single guy on equal footing with a carload of drunk guys with baseball bats. The gun removes the disparity in physical strength, size, or numbers between a potential attacker and a defender.

There are plenty of people who consider the gun as the source of bad force equations. These are the people who think that we'd be more civilized if all guns were removed from society, because a firearm makes it easier for a [armed] mugger to do his job. That, of course, is only true if the mugger's potential victims are mostly disarmed either by choice or by legislative fiat - it has no validity when most of a mugger's potential marks are armed.

People who argue for the banning of arms ask for automatic rule by the young, the strong, and the many, and that's the exact opposite of a civilized society. A mugger, even an armed one, can only make a successful living in a society where the state has granted him a force monopoly.

Then there's the argument that the gun makes confrontations lethal that otherwise would only result in injury. This argument is fallacious in several ways. Without guns involved, confrontations are won by the physically superior party inflicting overwhelming injury on the loser.

People who think that fists, bats, sticks, or stones don't constitute lethal force watch too much TV, where people take beatings and come out of it with a bloody lip at worst. The fact that the gun makes lethal force easier works solely in favor of the weaker defender, not the stronger attacker. If both are armed, the field is level.

The gun is the only weapon that's as lethal in the hands of an octogenarian as it is in the hands of a weight lifter. It simply wouldn't work as well as a force equalizer if it wasn't both lethal and easily employable.

When I carry a gun, I don't do so because I am looking for a fight, but because I'm looking to be left alone. The gun at my side means that I cannot be forced, only persuaded. I don't carry it because I'm afraid, but because it enables me to be unafraid. It doesn't limit the actions of those who would interact with me through reason, only the actions of those who would do so by force. It removes force from the equation... And that's why carrying a gun is a civilized act.

By Maj. L. Caudill USMC (Ret.)
this is why

Homer Glen, IL

#56 May 20, 2012
Here’s another interesting point.

After the Japanese decimated
our fleet in Pearl Harbor Dec 7, 1941, they could have sent their
troop ships and carriers directly to California to finish what they
started. The prediction from our Chief of Staff was we would not
be able to stop a massive invasion until they reached the
Mississippi River. Remember, we had a 2 million man army and
war ships…...all fighting the Germans.
So, why did they not invade?

After the war, the remaining Japanese generals and admirals were
asked that question. Their answer…...they know that almost every
home had guns and the Americans knew how to use them.

The world's largest army... America's hunters! I had never
thought about this....

A blogger added up the deer license sales in just a handful of
states and arrived at a striking conclusion:

There were over 600,000 hunters this season in the state of
Wisconsin ..

Allow me to restate that number.

Over the last several months, Wisconsin 's hunters became the
eighth largest army in the world.

More men under arms than in Iran ..

More than in France and Germany combined.

These men deployed to the woods of a single American state
to hunt with firearms, and no one was killed.

That number pales in comparison to the 750,000 who hunted the
woods of Pennsylvania and Michigan 's 700,000 hunters, all of
whom have now returned home.

Toss in a quarter million hunters in West Virginia and it
literally establishes the fact that the hunters of those four
states alone would comprise the largest army in the world.
The point?

America will forever be safe from foreign invasion with that
kind of home-grown firepower.

Hunting -- it's not just a way to fill the freezer. It's a matter of
national security.
**********

That's why all enemies, foreign and domestic, want to see us
disarmed.

one last thing how many hunters were killed?

so don't believe that thugs and what they do with guns, is what anyone who wants to protect there families or possessions does with a weapon. Dont fall into that wrong way of thinking. research and learn, just like a responsible person does when they own a gun.
truth hurts

Myrtle Beach, SC

#57 May 20, 2012
Need to open hunting season on them. Mount some heads
Teach

Danbury, CT

#58 May 20, 2012
average joe wrote:
<quoted text>
Does ANYONE see the news? We need more idiots like Zimmerman in Florida shooting hooded children. Anyone who is pro conceal and carry are morons... If you were there you would have shot them? You would have wet your pants. There are people who used a gun to protect themselves in pro gun states and they are in jail now. The law is always a 50/50 way of being interpreted just look at how the supreme court rules....its alway 5 to 4 . So do you feel lucky with your gun? If you use it be prepared to have your life ruined, even if it was justified, its up to someone else who may not like you to decide if it is justified. Personally I dont want morons carrying guns and there is nothing in the second amendment about stupid people shouldnt carry guns, So its better if no one carries a gun!
Why don't you do a little research? Guns are used by "average Joe's", senior citizens and even an eleven year old child in Montana...who shot and killed two armed men who pulled a home invasion, and who were later found to have killed an elderly neighbor, every single day in this country. In the vast majority of cases, the guns are never fired.

States and cities that have concealed carry laws have lower crime rates...because the bad guys can't be sure who's packing and who isn't. Look at crime statistics in Florida, before and after concealed carry was passed.

Look at crime rates in Australia, which skyrocketed after the citizens were all disarmed.

You're certainly entitled to an opinion, but not your own facts.

The simple truth is you wouldn't see goons armed with bats and hammers pulling this crap in the state of Texas, Nevada or any other number of states where anyone in that targeted group might possibly be carrying.

As far as your opinion of the Second Amendment, who would get to decide who "stupid people" are? You?

Now that's a scary thought.
Teach

Danbury, CT

#59 May 20, 2012
average joe wrote:
<quoted text>
I am a stable minded person, if I was in that situation I would have picked up a chair. Im not cool with idiots like yourselves having guns. I work in the city and I am in the worse neighborhoods possible,, I havent had an issue yet, this is not the wild wild west, if you want a gun move to the south with the rest of the ignorant...let them secede from the union, they are a tax burded on the north.
Minnasota, Michigan, Wisconsin, Indianna, Ohio, Washington, Oregon, Maine, New Hampshire, Pennsylvania, Wyoming, Iowa, Ohio, North Dakota, South Dakota...oh, wait a minute. It's a whole lot easier to list the states that don't allow their citizens to bear arms:

Illinois.

I had no idea there were so many southern states. Did you get that geography lesson in college? I'll bet that's where you learned you were smarter than certain other citizens based on geographic locations, too.

If so, I'd demand a refund if I were you.

Since: Oct 11

Location hidden

#61 May 21, 2012
It puts in a perspective of why blacks need chains and cages.

The only chance blacks had was in America. Taking a truly wild African savage 300 years ago, domesticating him to civil life, emancipating them, educating them, freeing them and offering the opportunity to possess the same things in life that whites and the rest of the world have, with entitlements, and all they've done with it is devolve back to being wild and savage. Only In America.

Black on White violence has been covered up for years. We hear shyt like that happening and whites are gunna start looking for them again. There incapable of learning the benefits of civilized behaviour. Slavery's been over along time now, generations ago.

There not advancing like they should be.
Jerry Fallwell

Pittsburgh, PA

#62 May 21, 2012
Get Off My Lawn wrote:
Wake Up White America!
Why? They aren't attacking any old white people. They're going after supremicists.

Do you want sympathy? Awww...let me pat you on the head and tell you it'll be alright. HAHA!

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