Pops

Cincinnati, OH

#32131 Jul 27, 2014
Pope Che Reagan Christ wrote:
<quoted text>He is not a representative he is an executive. There is a difference.
Even the CEO of Exxon represents the interests of those that elected him to that position.
Pope Che Reagan Christ I

Lodi, OH

#32132 Jul 27, 2014
Pops wrote:
<quoted text>Even the CEO of Exxon represents the interests of those that elected him to that position.
The POTUS is elected to try to accomplish the goals that the candidate set forth in the campaign. The election determines which agenda is followed. Do you expect a candidate to run on a platform of being anti-abortion and then pursue a pro-choice agenda once elected? Your "he's not representing the people" charge is na´ve and uninformed.
Pops

Cincinnati, OH

#32133 Jul 27, 2014
Old Guy wrote:
<quoted text>
Pops, as I've said before, I don't think Obama is a great President. He was young and without a lot of political experience when he took the office. I think he made a political miscalculation by trying to compromise with the Republicans. This current breed of House Republicans aren't interested in compromise. Even Boehner (who is supposed to be their leader) is unable to bring them to consensus.
What these times require is a Richard Nixon type --- a shrewd political operator that will use every dirty trick in the book to achieve their goals. I think that Hillary Clinton may turn out to be that type of President.
The tea party faction of the Republican party hates Obama with a passion that goes far beyond his actions. It's a combination of hating any and all Democrats and good old fashioned racism. Obama reminds me of Jackie Robinson --- smart, well-spoken, and hated by some for the change he represents.
Some here like to pretend that racism only existed in the past. But here's something that happened last year:
"A famous statue of Jackie Robinson at a minor league ballpark in Brooklyn was vandalized the other day, defaced and desecrated with swastikas and ugly racist slurs.
"Hile Hitler," some sub-human scrawled in black pen. "Die [N-word].[F-word] Jackie Robinson and all [N-words].""
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2013-08-0...
I think that Hillary is qualified enough but she may be too polarizing. While gaining her experiences, she also created a lot of baggage.
She likely would have been a much better Sec of State under a different president.
I would have to see IF she runs & who she would be running against.
I have said B4 that there will always be racists so I agree with you an that. Even Obama & our wonderful AG have blamed racism for part of the state of affairs.
They knew that racism was & is an issue so shouldn't they be handling the issue better? They have lived under racism to some degree all of their lives of course. Making it an excuse is not a way to deal with it.
There are also other biases that will always exist. Remember how Romney's & Kennedy's religions came up so often & not positively either.
A few posters on this thread bring up Mormons every now & then & others bring up Christianity (water walkers) in a low life way.
woo-boy

Waverly, OH

#32134 Jul 27, 2014
xxxrayted wrote:
<quoted text>
The only person DumBama listens to is himself. He is the most party-first, country-second President I've ever seen in my lifetime.
There is intelligence and there is common sense. In many cases, very intelligent people are a little short on logic. With DumBama, he's totally void of logic.
The best colleges in the world can't teach common sense. You either have it or you don't.
You have no clue what common sense is.
woo-boy

Waverly, OH

#32135 Jul 27, 2014
Pops wrote:
<quoted text> I think that Hillary is qualified enough but she may be too polarizing. While gaining her experiences, she also created a lot of baggage.
She likely would have been a much better Sec of State under a different president.
I would have to see IF she runs & who she would be running against.
I have said B4 that there will always be racists so I agree with you an that. Even Obama & our wonderful AG have blamed racism for part of the state of affairs.
They knew that racism was & is an issue so shouldn't they be handling the issue better? They have lived under racism to some degree all of their lives of course. Making it an excuse is not a way to deal with it.
There are also other biases that will always exist. Remember how Romney's & Kennedy's religions came up so often & not positively either.
A few posters on this thread bring up Mormons every now & then & others bring up Christianity (water walkers) in a low life way.
Nice spin job.
Pops

Cincinnati, OH

#32136 Jul 27, 2014
Pope Che Reagan Christ I wrote:
<quoted text>
The POTUS is elected to try to accomplish the goals that the candidate set forth in the campaign. The election determines which agenda is followed. Do you expect a candidate to run on a platform of being anti-abortion and then pursue a pro-choice agenda once elected? Your "he's not representing the people" charge is na´ve and uninformed.
As you said, HE is to try accomplish goals set forth as a candidate. You named only 1 issue & even that 'point' makes him a liar. Is that any good?
He has also changed many campaign promises with gay marriage, immigration, jobs, debt & deficit, foreign relations & more.
I won't hold him responsible for his promises about the ongoing wars of the time because candidates lack a lot of info until they take office & have their staff in place.
I am not naive, I just obviously have higher standards & expectations than you do. And I am glad that one of us has high standards.
Pops

Cincinnati, OH

#32137 Jul 27, 2014
woo-boy wrote:
<quoted text>Nice spin job.
I don't expect a reasonable answer but, what spin?
woo-boy

Waverly, OH

#32138 Jul 27, 2014
Pops wrote:
<quoted text> As you said, HE is to try accomplish goals set forth as a candidate. You named only 1 issue & even that 'point' makes him a liar. Is that any good?
He has also changed many campaign promises with gay marriage, immigration, jobs, debt & deficit, foreign relations & more.
I won't hold him responsible for his promises about the ongoing wars of the time because candidates lack a lot of info until they take office & have their staff in place.
I am not naive, I just obviously have higher standards & expectations than you do. And I am glad that one of us has high standards.
Keep going.
xxxrayted

Maple Heights, OH

#32139 Jul 27, 2014
Pope Che Reagan Christ I wrote:
<quoted text>
The POTUS is elected to try to accomplish the goals that the candidate set forth in the campaign. The election determines which agenda is followed. Do you expect a candidate to run on a platform of being anti-abortion and then pursue a pro-choice agenda once elected? Your "he's not representing the people" charge is na´ve and uninformed.
So a President is only supposed to cater to his constituents and to hell with the people that didn't elect him? After all, that's exactly what DumBama is doing.

And if you believe that, then don't complain about the next President if he or she is a conservative and only carries out conservative agendas.
half breed

Van Wert, OH

#32140 Jul 27, 2014
xxxrayted wrote:
<quoted text>
The best colleges in the world can't teach common sense. You either have it or you don't.
Well, not everyone was born with the inherent "skills" required to be a whiny, racist, uninsured pack mule...
d pantz

Toledo, OH

#32141 Jul 27, 2014
Pope Che Reagan Christ I wrote:
<quoted text>
The POTUS is elected to try to accomplish the goals that the candidate set forth in the campaign. The election determines which agenda is followed. Do you expect a candidate to run on a platform of being anti-abortion and then pursue a pro-choice agenda once elected? Your "he's not representing the people" charge is na´ve and uninformed.
LMAO! What goals does he set forth and more importantly why? To get elected by the people, huh dummy?
Pope Che Reagan Christ I

Lodi, OH

#32142 Jul 27, 2014
Pops wrote:
<quoted text> As you said, HE is to try accomplish goals set forth as a candidate. You named only 1 issue & even that 'point' makes him a liar. Is that any good?
He has also changed many campaign promises with gay marriage, immigration, jobs, debt & deficit, foreign relations & more.
I won't hold him responsible for his promises about the ongoing wars of the time because candidates lack a lot of info until they take office & have their staff in place.
I am not naive, I just obviously have higher standards & expectations than you do. And I am glad that one of us has high standards.
You being displeased with him is a bit of a different discussion than your claim that he has failed in his supposed duty to represent 310 million people, don't you think?
Pope Che Reagan Christ I

Lodi, OH

#32143 Jul 27, 2014
xxxrayted wrote:
<quoted text>
So a President is only supposed to cater to his constituents and to hell with the people that didn't elect him? After all, that's exactly what DumBama is doing.
And if you believe that, then don't complain about the next President if he or she is a conservative and only carries out conservative agendas.
That's pretty much the way it works, isn't it? I don't remember GOP presidents advancing liberal agendas, do you? Elections have winners and losers.
Pope Che Reagan Christ I

Lodi, OH

#32144 Jul 27, 2014
half breed wrote:
<quoted text>Well, not everyone was born with the inherent "skills" required to be a whiny, racist, uninsured pack mule...
Actually, they are. The smart ones grow beyond that around 6th grade.
Pops

Cincinnati, OH

#32145 Jul 27, 2014
Pope Che Reagan Christ I wrote:
<quoted text>
You being displeased with him is a bit of a different discussion than your claim that he has failed in his supposed duty to represent 310 million people, don't you think?
Here's a twist by you. So you seem to admit that there is reason to be disappointed in Obama? You also seem to admit that Obama is free to switch (lie) from his campaign promises & that that is OK with you.
I believe that we should not be surprised when politicians & used car sales people lie but that does NOT make it acceptable, except by people with low standards.
NOT keeping one's promises IS failure. Failure of character, failure of honor, failure of ethics & failure to be honest. Don't you care about those issues?
Now don't bring up Nixon, LBJ, Bush & others. that would simply be obsfucation plus they are history, let's work with today & tomorrow.
Pops

Cincinnati, OH

#32146 Jul 27, 2014
Pope Che Reagan Christ I wrote:
<quoted text>
That's pretty much the way it works, isn't it? I don't remember GOP presidents advancing liberal agendas, do you? Elections have winners and losers.
Not true. Among other things, TARP & banking regulation changes were Liberal agendas. What was that presidents party affiliation?
Pope Che Reagan Christ I

Lodi, OH

#32147 Jul 27, 2014
Pops wrote:
<quoted text>Here's a twist by you. So you seem to admit that there is reason to be disappointed in Obama? You also seem to admit that Obama is free to switch (lie) from his campaign promises & that that is OK with you.
I believe that we should not be surprised when politicians & used car sales people lie but that does NOT make it acceptable, except by people with low standards.
NOT keeping one's promises IS failure. Failure of character, failure of honor, failure of ethics & failure to be honest. Don't you care about those issues?
Now don't bring up Nixon, LBJ, Bush & others. that would simply be obsfucation plus they are history, let's work with today & tomorrow.
All I did was point out how na´ve and uninformed your complaint that Obama was failing to represent 310 million people and then pointed out how you changed the subject after I did so.

The failure is that of the people who somehow believe that a POTUS has singular power to implement the principles of his platform. A platform is goals, not promises, no matter the vernacular they may be expressed in. President Obama, like any president before him, would have implemented every single campaign position he took if he had sole authority to do so. That's not how the system is built.
Pops

Cincinnati, OH

#32148 Jul 27, 2014
xxxrayted wrote:
<quoted text>
No, there are a few people that I believe such as Old Guy because I'm sure he's retired. I don't know if Pops is retired, works part time or full time. But it seems they are elderly people not just because of their names, but because of the maturity level of their posts.
I believe Reality because his political stance matches what he claims about himself. He claims he works hard, has a good amount of money but not wealthy, and is against DumBama and social leeches always out to confiscate his earnings.
Speaking for myself, no, I am not retired but Nixon's auto-pen signature is on my discharge papers.
I still clearly remember the Nixon-Kennedy TV debates in 1960 on a fluttering picture on a B&W TV.
Can't quite retire yet because of a couple failed business ventures. But I tried. No regrets, just disappointments. If either venture was successful, I would be on easy street. Chit happens, at least I had 2 chances. That's cool. Many people do not have an opportunity to take any chance.
xxxrayted

Maple Heights, OH

#32149 Jul 27, 2014
Pope Che Reagan Christ I wrote:
<quoted text>
That's pretty much the way it works, isn't it? I don't remember GOP presidents advancing liberal agendas, do you? Elections have winners and losers.
Actually I do remember. Why is it we can no longer buy regular light bulbs? I would say that was George Bush. Why is it diesel fuel is so much more expensive now because of lower sulfur restrictions? That's right, George Bush again. Oh, and lets not forget a little thingy you on the left bring up about Obama phones. The program was started with government paid landline phones by Ronald Reagan. Then George W Bush expanded the program to cover cell phones.

Speaking of Reagan, didn't he raise taxes and grant amnesty to Mexicans at the time? Certainly we cannot forget the largest government program expansion by George W Bush called Medicare Part D. That was before DumBama topped him with Commie Care. The housing crisis? Yes, Bush joined in with helping minorities that could not get homes secure a loan.

I don't want to be too partisan here because Clinton also gave into Republican demands and requests. NAFTA, Welfare Reform, lowering capital gains taxes just to name a few.

The point is you are completely wrong. Other Presidents did work with what they had, not work alone like DumBama. They took a little, gave a little, nobody got everything but everybody got something. It's something real leaders do.
Pope Che Reagan Christ I

Lodi, OH

#32150 Jul 27, 2014
Pops wrote:
<quoted text>Not true. Among other things, TARP & banking regulation changes were Liberal agendas. What was that presidents party affiliation?
TARP was in reaction to an emergency, not part of any political agenda.

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