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broke

Ticonderoga, NY

#1 Apr 14, 2014
All the other local schools are posting their budget figures in the papers, and most seem to be keeping within the cap, why so silent @ T.C.S ? I hope that in light of the huge increase the county pulled { to be spread over five years} that they have a little compassion for the retirees { no real c.o.l.a.} or the few remaining "contributory" members of the community. I pray they understand the plight we few face,and develop their budget accordingly.
Not alone

Burlington, VT

#2 Apr 14, 2014
If they cannot produce a sustainable budget, then they simply need to leave, voluntarily and peaceably, and the community needs to start over with a new board. Sustainable is the operative word. God bless us all.
Education

Ticonderoga, NY

#3 Apr 15, 2014
The board needs to realize this is a school not a business where a certain few are getting rich with inflated salaries and benefits. Teaching standards have declined along with enrollment. Fewer are the tax base. It is now time to touch the forbidden chest, the big salaries. The towns future is attached to this school. We cannot keep cutting program and protect the employees. Put more emphasis on educating and less on building those bloodsucking salaries and pensions.
Helpful posts

San Diego, CA

#4 Apr 15, 2014
Absolutely! This is what every school district is grappling with everywhere I travel to.

The high-end administrative costs are not necessary or warranted. In fact, it has become just plain immoral! If you study the education systems of other first world countries, particularly in Scandinavia, you will find that teachers are not paid top dollar, BUT they are extremely well trained and therefore are given a great deal of respect. In the U.S., and especially in New York, you have quite the opposite: big salaries and prime benefits, particularly for administrators, and underqualified teachers--which test scores of all sorts have demonstrated over and over.

BUT, what the parents, students, taxpayers and citizens are up against, quite simply, are two things: tenure and the UNION. Follow the money straight to your politicians, especially the Governor and see what you find...LOTS and LOTS of campaign contributions from the NYS Teachers Union.
Board member Credentials

Buffalo, NY

#5 Apr 16, 2014
Exactly! Sustainable is the operative word.

Is there a list of school board members, Including credentials? I would like to review it before the next election.
Not alone wrote:
If they cannot produce a sustainable budget, then they simply need to leave, voluntarily and peaceably, and the community needs to start over with a new board. Sustainable is the operative word. God bless us all.
broke

Ticonderoga, NY

#6 Apr 27, 2014
Not alone wrote:
If they cannot produce a sustainable budget, then they simply need to leave, voluntarily and peaceably, and the community needs to start over with a new board. Sustainable is the operative word. God bless us all.
No news yet?
Facts

Ticonderoga, NY

#7 Apr 27, 2014
The budget presentation has been posted on the school website for quite some time.
what

Ticonderoga, NY

#8 Apr 27, 2014
Facts wrote:
The budget presentation has been posted on the school website for quite some time.
Was also in the Press Republican a few weeks ago.
dog

Agawam, MA

#9 Apr 27, 2014
Ti is just scumbags who lets there kids drink and drive then they kill some one then the parents play the pointing game
broke

Ticonderoga, NY

#10 Apr 28, 2014
what wrote:
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Was also in the Press Republican a few weeks ago.
As is often the case, I stand corrected, thanks.
News

Ticonderoga, NY

#11 Apr 29, 2014
According to Champlain Valley Fox 44 website, it costs 23500.00 per year to educate a child in Ticonderoga Schools. According to the article, 80% of the budget is for staffing. Check out the interactive website where you can compare schools districts across NY, VT and NH. Vermont oats are approx. 13500 to educate a student. They also reported pupil numbers are down and costs continue to rise. Interesting information and very important.
Teachers

Saint Albans, VT

#12 Apr 29, 2014
Fire all the overpaid slugs and hire new ones.
Vermont

Burlington, VT

#13 Apr 29, 2014
Vermont is quite culturally different than New York and many other states, and also more like many European and Scandinavian cultures.

In Vermont, teaching is viewed as more a "public service," a giving back to society and culture. As opposed to a "career," like store manager or lab tech. And so, it is understood that teaching will not, for example, buy tickets to the Bahamas every spring.

This makes a huge difference with respect to at least two things: How much money teachers expect to make, and how much teachers are respected by students, parents and taxpayers.

Also, Vermont definitely has its share of special needs students, who generally need significantly more resources than and "average" student. These student needs are almost always pointed at to "explain" high school taxes. Yes, the strangulation that the taxpayers are feeling is primarily due to faculty/staff salaries and benefits.

(I can't address the differences or likenesses of New Hampshire enough to make an honest comment.)
broke

Ticonderoga, NY

#14 Apr 29, 2014
what wrote:
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Was also in the Press Republican a few weeks ago.
Funny how we are in "dire straights"once again, we didn't suddenly incur an unforeseen expense, it's just piss poor management combined with a whole lot of nepotism.I almost guarantee we will still need the same number of staff 5 years from now when we have half the kids! Anyhow, thank goodness we built all that new space, I'd love to see the R.O.I. on that needless 21 million dollar mess.Good job to the morons on the board who pushed for that project.Why don't they try to stick to the Tax-cap ? It was designed to those in the private sector who don't make wage increases that equal the C.O.L.
Facts

Ticonderoga, NY

#15 May 2, 2014
Ticonderoga is within the tax cap and has never exceeded it since implemented. The project was approved be a district wide public vote. It was not strictly a school administration or board decision.
what

Ticonderoga, NY

#16 May 2, 2014
Facts wrote:
Ticonderoga is within the tax cap and has never exceeded it since implemented. The project was approved be a district wide public vote. It was not strictly a school administration or board decision.
Exactly well said. Finally someone with brains
TiRes

Ticonderoga, NY

#17 May 2, 2014
Facts wrote:
Ticonderoga is within the tax cap and has never exceeded it since implemented. The project was approved be a district wide public vote. It was not strictly a school administration or board decision.
Except for the small details that in this community a large number of people are summer residents who don't get to vote and have no kids in the school system but do get to pay for the bulk of the project. Also, the 18-19-20 year old students or recently graduated are/were encouraged to vote for this project. These factors can and did influence the outcome of the vote. And why should they (students past or present) care? They aren't the ones who have to worry about paying for it. We have a rapidly declining enrollment and an astronomical per pupil education cost. We have teachers in the school system making near $100,000 year. This is absurd and needs to be brought under control.
what

Ticonderoga, NY

#18 May 2, 2014
TiRes wrote:
<quoted text>Except for the small details that in this community a large number of people are summer residents who don't get to vote and have no kids in the school system but do get to pay for the bulk of the project. Also, the 18-19-20 year old students or recently graduated are/were encouraged to vote for this project. These factors can and did influence the outcome of the vote. And why should they (students past or present) care? They aren't the ones who have to worry about paying for it. We have a rapidly declining enrollment and an astronomical per pupil education cost. We have teachers in the school system making near $100,000 year. This is absurd and needs to be brought under control.
Run for a seat. Two are open
citizen

Ticonderoga, NY

#19 May 2, 2014
TiRes wrote:
<quoted text>Except for the small details that in this community a large number of people are summer residents who don't get to vote and have no kids in the school system but do get to pay for the bulk of the project. Also, the 18-19-20 year old students or recently graduated are/were encouraged to vote for this project. These factors can and did influence the outcome of the vote. And why should they (students past or present) care? They aren't the ones who have to worry about paying for it. We have a rapidly declining enrollment and an astronomical per pupil education cost. We have teachers in the school system making near $100,000 year. This is absurd and needs to be brought under control.
Do you suggest voting rules be changed?? The summer residents of Ticonderoga knew when they purchased these homes they wouldn't be able to vote on town and school issues. They still bought homes on the lake. It sounds like sour grapes the vote didn't go your way so it's wrong.
broke

Ticonderoga, NY

#20 May 2, 2014
Facts wrote:
Ticonderoga is within the tax cap and has never exceeded it since implemented. The project was approved be a district wide public vote. It was not strictly a school administration or board decision.
The fact that they used the modified formula to keep them under the max allowable cap, it,s still UNSUSTAINABLE! If one of you people with a "brain" could convince me otherwise I,m all ears. As for the district wide vote, If you took all the people affiliated with the school It is half the voters in the district that vote.Sure there are a lot of eligible voters but a good portion are low income or no income,their rent is free{we pay} or heavily subsidized so if the budget goes up every year they don,t care,and they won,t be bothered to vote that would cut into TV and beer time.You people don,t care if the school goes belly up,,,Your wages are protected by the Triborough act and your pensions are protected as well,so let,s grab all we can while we can,and screw" them guys" who weren't smart enough to major in education.

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