Economic Development

Leominster, MA

#22 Apr 27, 2013
I Like I Like Spike wrote:
In order for this to happen someone might have to fire bomb Wal-Mart.
Walmart is not in the way of developing our Riverside and Shore area. Unless you can explain to me how, I dont think thats a valid comment. Please enlighten me, my mind is open.
Lots of work to do

San Diego, CA

#23 Apr 28, 2013
Walmart, McDonald's etc. is what people first see when they come into town from a couple of different directions. Simply speaking, not too inviting, unfortunately. BTW, what ever happened to Walmart's own idea of building the Ti store in an "Adirondack style?" Hmmm...

And then, you have the same old environmental problems that we've had for many decades--the river and Lake Champlain are absolutely cancerous! And yes, it's very sad.

Lake George? It's sooo touristy. I stayed in a very nice camp once,(which is something that is out of most people's range--and mine, too, now), and woke up very early every morning to the sound of very large motorboats and jet skis. Ugh!

As for the Fort, I'm just not paying $17 dollars to walk up a dirt road from a pasture. So, I'm not taking out-of-town family and friends there any longer.

There are a lot of issues and a lot of work to do.
Spike

Cohoes, NY

#24 Apr 29, 2013
I Like I Like Spike wrote:
Hey there's another Spike around here, I see... this is going to get confusing
It's easy.....the real Spike(me)is concise, clever, and funny. The posers, one from HandCock Vt., the other from PHagaman, NY can ONLY comment about sex acts with other men and people's mothers. I suspect they were molested by a trusted father figure as children. Hey boys......."WHO'S YER DADDY??!"
Spike

Ripton, VT

#25 Apr 29, 2013
Tell me more about that girl you molested.
Ok then

Crown Point, NY

#26 Apr 29, 2013
This is so very sad. People are trying to have an educated conversation and now we are talking about molestation in a joking manner. I can enjoy a good joke but this is not one of them.

“I Chose The Wrong Username.”

Since: Apr 13

Mineville, NY

#27 Apr 29, 2013
It's an attempt at an educated conversation I'll give you that but if you can't see how a giant super Wal Mart drains significantly at any attempt by a local economy to stand on it's own tiny legs there's definitely some more information that could be passed out here. My suggestion of firebombing it was of course a joke, but the fact that it essentially closed up the downtown area to any attempts at local business makes the town a little unapproachable for further growth - I totally agree though that Ticonderoga and many of the towns in this area have the potential to be great but changes would need to happen elsewhere for that to be achieved.
Agree

South Burlington, VT

#28 Apr 30, 2013
What changes would need to happen elsewhere? Where, for example?
I Like I Like Spike wrote:
It's an attempt at an educated conversation I'll give you that but if you can't see how a giant super Wal Mart drains significantly at any attempt by a local economy to stand on it's own tiny legs there's definitely some more information that could be passed out here. My suggestion of firebombing it was of course a joke, but the fact that it essentially closed up the downtown area to any attempts at local business makes the town a little unapproachable for further growth - I totally agree though that Ticonderoga and many of the towns in this area have the potential to be great but changes would need to happen elsewhere for that to be achieved.
Walt Chapleau

Louisville, KY

#29 Apr 30, 2013
The trick is to market products not carried by Walmart. Small businesses simply can not readily compete with large retailers in terms of price and variety. Most towns in the U.S. have Walmart outlets, yet many are doing very well because they focused their business on local products and resources. Research Nashville in Brown County Indiana, Gatlinburg, Tenn., Cherokee, N.C., to name a few. LaGrange, Ky. was becoming a ghost town until the mayor offered incentives for businesses to open offering local crafts. Now tour buses stop to let people shop in the old fashion looking stores and eateries. LaGrange and Nashville-Brown County, Indiana are in the middle of no where, but are doing well in spite of having Walmart stores in their communities.

“I Chose The Wrong Username.”

Since: Apr 13

Mineville, NY

#30 May 1, 2013
Some do indeed do very well - Williston is a close by example but you have to be the kind of town that is likely to attract more box stores or attract customers who will shop at Wal Mart as part of a daily shopping experience. I can't speak for thos eother towns and so can only compare the Ti and Williston Wal Marts and as I see it people come to Ti to shop at Wal Mart and leave, people in Williston tend to be going there, then to Home Depot for something else, to do their groceries at Shaws or maybe heading to downtown Burlington to look around. For whatever reason (Perhaps location, seems the most obvious but other factors probably are at play too) Ti customers tend to do literal one-stop shopping, in my opinion, more than the Williston counterparts.
I think we'll see the same thing (or similar) happen to St Albans when it opens it's giant Wal Mart because I feel it's a similar area that won't attract people to continue shopping the town. I could be wrong but I feel that's probably what will happen...

As for the changes - those might be in the location of Wal Mart (Hard to change), the mindset of the people in the area (If it was as simple as just "magically" making people more willing to spend a little more money on a quality local good once in a while it'd be ideal) or maybe the changes have to happen at some political level or another - as semi-suggested above a great insentive program for local businesses would be ideal and possibly more importantly, gigantic corps like Wal Mart and others not being often givena free-pass to open up where they want and however big they want.

Don't get me wrong, Wal Mart is convenient and I do shop there on occasion when I need to, but it could be a LOT smaller and be just as useful and if it had been that way it could have been nearer the town or on the other side. Somewhere people might have been more likely to drive through Ti before or after going

“I Chose The Wrong Username.”

Since: Apr 13

Mineville, NY

#31 May 1, 2013
The idea of selling products that Wal Mart doesn't sell is a good one too, by the way, but I think it's more likely to succeed in an area with more disposable income than this one. Perhaps the way to revitalize Ti is to start by finding a way to get a greater number of decent paid jobs in the area... not sure the best way to do that but it seems more like a "bottom up" kind of solution.
Culture and Economics

San Diego, CA

#32 May 1, 2013
The issue is, in fact, both cultural and economic differences. The Burlington area has five colleges, IBM and other tech companies, a sizeable hospital system, etc. And, enough population/income to support both big box stores and small businesses.(BTW, small businesses need to sell a worthwhile product or service at a reasonable price--not a big box price, just reasonable for whatever it is. And not overpriced trinkets.)

The City of Burlington has worked with the merchants together and very hard to keep small businesses viable, as some other Vermont towns have done. Some towns, like Lake Placid, have just said no to Walmart.(I don't think Ticonderoga even negotiated a size cap, i.e. square footage. And, it didn't need a food section--this is why Ti has no grocery store, which is bizarre. That was the Planning Board's decision. AND, Walmart also kicked the idea of a downtown location to the curb, BTW.)

Yes, decent-wage employers (in the multiples), small business incentives, and traffic to downtown. But then, I would say, the first thing Ti needs to do is clean up! There are buildings downtown that can't possible meet code, and if they do, they are just, plain very ugly. Implement a no-downtown residences ordinance--a big, ugly and always potentially dangerous problem. And, the fact that people talk about the crime and slime in Ticonderoga from Burlington to Middlebury, from Plattsburgh to Albany is probably the biggest impediment to revitalization. Let's face facts and do something about it: Ticonderoga has a bad reputation.
Walt Chapleau

Louisville, KY

#33 May 2, 2013
Ticonderoga does have market resources from major metropolitan areas. Visitors pass through on day trips to visit the fort, etc. and leave because there is very little for them to do in Ti after they have seen the historical sites. Watching other communities rebound, the key seems to be leadership, business incentives, market research-business plan development,advertising and exploiting local resources. Progressive leadership is a essential. When I visit Ti, I hear many people complaining about the tourists and summer people. These people have money to spend. Why not entice them to spend it in our town.It appears certain that Ti's economy will not be revived with new industry relocating there.
wondering

Crown Point, NY

#34 May 2, 2013
Walt, I believe our leaders fully realize the goldmine aspect. But for some strange reason they don't seem to want to develop it that way. They are stuck in thier old school "paper-town" mind set. If something isn't done to help the LOCAL economy grow, the local people will be forced to leave to make a living. Couple that with steadily rising taxes and ever shrinking tax base and its a recipe for disaster.
truth

Queensbury, NY

#35 May 2, 2013
Witness the Town Board's silence on the size of the natural gas line to be brought to IP. It will be sized to serve IP only, with no opportunity for economic benefit to other nearby properties in Ti or Crown Point.

How's that for an indicator of economic priorities?
wondering wrote:
Walt, I believe our leaders fully realize the goldmine aspect. But for some strange reason they don't seem to want to develop it that way. They are stuck in thier old school "paper-town" mind set. If something isn't done to help the LOCAL economy grow, the local people will be forced to leave to make a living. Couple that with steadily rising taxes and ever shrinking tax base and its a recipe for disaster.
Walt Chapleau

Louisville, KY

#36 May 2, 2013
wondering wrote:
Walt, I believe our leaders fully realize the goldmine aspect. But for some strange reason they don't seem to want to develop it that way. They are stuck in thier old school "paper-town" mind set. If something isn't done to help the LOCAL economy grow, the local people will be forced to leave to make a living. Couple that with steadily rising taxes and ever shrinking tax base and its a recipe for disaster.
I think you are right. Why develop anything else when you have the mill? Sell the Ti beach. That's an example of real forward thinking that cropped up a few years ago. Don't push for natural gas service either, because you may have to step on some toes. Let the residents pay higher and higher taxes because they are making big bucks at the mill. I know how frustrated you all must be.
Culture and Economics

San Diego, CA

#37 May 2, 2013
Employers and the mill aside--and I'll say it again--Ti needs a major cleaning up! With respect to a LOT of things.

I travel every week for various reasons. And, this place has a very bad reputation! We can accept that fact and move forward to do something about it, or we can stick our heads in the sand and pretend.

The people who come to the Fort drive straight to the fort and straight out. The least that could be done is to clean up the downtown area.(The summer residents that I know, and I know several, have been bringing their own groceries, meat, dry goods, everything with them when they come for...well, even before Walmart. IOW, they don't want to go into town.)

However, a true plan to clean up the downtown would require some tough leadership--a tough town supervisor and a tough town board and tough building inspector and decent town highway department a tough PD, etc. Vision, creativity, hard work, determination. I think most people are beyond frustration...
In it to win it

United States

#38 May 2, 2013
Let the economy continue to decline along with property values, coupled with higher taxes. This will create a buyers market. Let the investors buy it all up when we go bankrupt and profit off of the stupidity of the stuborn seniors and public assistance residents who caused these problems. No one in Ti really cares enough now to make changes. Fools and their money soon part. I will be looking for bargains down the road.
Walt Chapleau

Louisville, KY

#39 May 2, 2013
Culture and Economics wrote:
Employers and the mill aside--and I'll say it again--Ti needs a major cleaning up! With respect to a LOT of things.
I travel every week for various reasons. And, this place has a very bad reputation! We can accept that fact and move forward to do something about it, or we can stick our heads in the sand and pretend.
The people who come to the Fort drive straight to the fort and straight out. The least that could be done is to clean up the downtown area.(The summer residents that I know, and I know several, have been bringing their own groceries, meat, dry goods, everything with them when they come for...well, even before Walmart. IOW, they don't want to go into town.)
However, a true plan to clean up the downtown would require some tough leadership--a tough town supervisor and a tough town board and tough building inspector and decent town highway department a tough PD, etc. Vision, creativity, hard work, determination. I think most people are beyond frustration...
I agree with you completely. The town officials could do something about the state of the buildings downtown, but it would be a fight and it does not appear that they have the stomach for it.

“I Chose The Wrong Username.”

Since: Apr 13

Mineville, NY

#40 May 3, 2013
I take back everything I said and I'm reverting back to my firebombing idea - much less thought process involved.
In it to win it

Red Hook, NY

#41 May 5, 2013
I Like I Like Spike wrote:
I take back everything I said and I'm reverting back to my firebombing idea - much less thought process involved.
Hey Spike. I sense you have some intelligent insight to the Ticonderoga Economy. But your attempt to make it humorous, in my opinion is not that funny. I think you would be better served to keeping your funny haha insights directed at peoples personal problems and being more factual on the economy.

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