Fort Ticonderoga
Joker

Ticonderoga, NY

#1 Jun 28, 2012
What went wrong?
Huh

Coppell, TX

#2 Jun 30, 2012
With what?
Dubbie Doo

Ticonderoga, NY

#3 Jul 4, 2012
Beth Hill is what went wrong. I went down to the fort the other day (after my seasonal pass came in the mail) to see what they had in the gift shop. Well it is all junk now; the used to have some beautiful items but now it is definitely all for the tourist trade with Fort Ti written all over just about everything. They still have a nice book collection though. I hope she doesn't take those out. I bought 2 books so my trip was not entirely a waste of time. I was there after 3 p.m. and didn't realize that the counter, "Fort Ti Cafe",
was only opened for 4 hours a day now. This woman is running the place to the ground. I was wondering what all the tourist do now when they come out of the museum at 3 p.m. hoping for a cold drink, sandwich, soda, piece of pie, etc. I guess they will take their business elsewhere. What a goomba she is. She also treats the staff like dirt from what I hear now. She came in like a storm and she ought to go out like a storm....

Since: Nov 07

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#4 Jul 4, 2012
You get whatyou pay for!!!!

Ya want cheap...... YA GOT CHEAP!!!!!

nuff said
The Kitchen

San Diego, CA

#5 Jan 4, 2013
You pay $17 dollars just to get in...and then take a look at the KITCHEN STAFF! Ugh!!! Scary.

We used to go there at least once every summer to buy gifts from the shop and each lunch.

Can that new director not find BETTER STAFF ANY WHERE IN NORTHERN NEW YORK?
I agree about the Food

Middlebury, VT

#6 Jan 4, 2013
It was awful, overpriced, took forever to get, and it wasn't even a busy day.

That place seems to have gone from the frying pan into the fire. No pun.
The Kitchen wrote:
You pay $17 dollars just to get in...and then take a look at the KITCHEN STAFF! Ugh!!! Scary.
We used to go there at least once every summer to buy gifts from the shop and each lunch.
Can that new director not find BETTER STAFF ANY WHERE IN NORTHERN NEW YORK?
The Kitchen

San Diego, CA

#7 Jan 6, 2013
So, you don't mind paying $17 for the privilege of driving through the back entrance?

What a slap in the face that is!
All the wrong things

South Burlington, VT

#8 Jan 21, 2013
I think we were all hoping after 20 years of insanity, that things would get better.

Asking people for $17 just to get to the parking FIELD is not better. For starters...

More importantly, that place needed, and still needs, a good cleaning out! Of all places in Ticonderoga, the Fort should NOT BE the source of rumors because of a few people that were hired and probably shouldn't have been.

And then, there are some very simple issues that should be addressed and could easily be addressed, e.g. the personal appearance of some staff members. You know, the business of there's only one opportunity to make a first impression.

Gone are the days when John Pell, et al, had his finger on things. It's unfortunate.
What Rumors

San Diego, CA

#9 Jan 23, 2013
What exactly are you referring to?
Fort Ti Cafe

South Burlington, VT

#10 Jan 25, 2013
Hmmm...I didn't realize it had a name now. I'm not sure that is necessary. BUT, they are right to downsize the bad burger pit IF it's going to remain the same as it has been in the recent past.(At least.) No tourist wants to witness that their food is being prepared by a sweaty, obese redneck mama. Who would feed their children there?

However, like someone said, there was a time when they did serve a good cheeseburger, shake, etc. Seems like, under the right management and with the right staff, that could happen again. And I would pay for it--BUT NOT IF I HAVE TO PAY $17 DOLLARS FIRST! Sorry.

And, yes, I too have bought a LOT of books and nice gift items there. Such a shame.
Dubbie Doo wrote:
Beth Hill is what went wrong. I went down to the fort the other day (after my seasonal pass came in the mail) to see what they had in the gift shop. Well it is all junk now; the used to have some beautiful items but now it is definitely all for the tourist trade with Fort Ti written all over just about everything. They still have a nice book collection though. I hope she doesn't take those out. I bought 2 books so my trip was not entirely a waste of time. I was there after 3 p.m. and didn't realize that the counter, "Fort Ti Cafe",
was only opened for 4 hours a day now. This woman is running the place to the ground. I was wondering what all the tourist do now when they come out of the museum at 3 p.m. hoping for a cold drink, sandwich, soda, piece of pie, etc. I guess they will take their business elsewhere. What a goomba she is. She also treats the staff like dirt from what I hear now. She came in like a storm and she ought to go out like a storm....
Fort Ti Sucks

Ticonderoga, NY

#11 Oct 12, 2013
They treat their staff like dirt, how many people quit or were fired this summer alone? Beth Hill is an incompetent air-head. She threw a fit over the admissions booth when the janitorial staff put a roof over their heads to keep the sun from beating down on their heads and she hated it because it "looked tacky". Okay, so your staff getting heat stroke looks better? She thinks she has everything under control but just look at how she treat everyone.. no wonder so much of the staff has left and they didn't get any applications in for the last few months. I say everyone stops applying or contributing there until she leaves!
Some

Anonymous Proxy

#12 Oct 14, 2013
Some needed to go, for sure. You can't have a high-end organization like Fort Ticonderoga employing people who look like they just drove down the hill from their trailer. No matter what department they work in.

However, I think requiring visitors to pay $17, or whatever it is this year, just to get to the gift shop and food is a bit like shooting yourself in the foot. We used to make several trips each year and BUY gifts and food there every trip. Not any more! I just don't always want to see the fort.

They need to re-work the whole food service area, for starters. The building is nice, as is. But the food and service is awful!
Fumes from the mill

South Burlington, VT

#13 Apr 28, 2014
I'm not quite sure where all this negativity is coming from. Too many fumes from the mill? As a lifelong visitor to the fort starting in 1962 I gradually lost interest over the years as the fort stagnated.
But, when I returned to Fort Ti in 2011 after a three year absence I was stunned to see just what this site had for capbilities that had been lying dormant for so long. The life that has been breathed into the Fort itself, the positive morale and attitude of all of the staff, even the quality of the food at the cafe have all been major turnarounds under the new director. I spoke to several staff about the changes and all expressed universal support for Beth and her efforts. And all of that continues right to the present day. The back road entrance defnitely needs work but the price of admission is not out of line with the cost needed to preserve the site.
May of us choose to make it more economically viable by becoming members or friends of the Fort which allows us free admission to the numerous events throughout the year. It makes the 6 or more visits that I make to the fort each year a real bargain.
unis

Mineville, NY

#14 Apr 30, 2014
Its a historic masterpiece.
whiteknight

Ticonderoga, NY

#15 May 22, 2014
Fumes from the mill wrote:
I'm not quite sure where all this negativity is coming from. Too many fumes from the mill? As a lifelong visitor to the fort starting in 1962 I gradually lost interest over the years as the fort stagnated.
But, when I returned to Fort Ti in 2011 after a three year absence I was stunned to see just what this site had for capbilities that had been lying dormant for so long. The life that has been breathed into the Fort itself, the positive morale and attitude of all of the staff, even the quality of the food at the cafe have all been major turnarounds under the new director. I spoke to several staff about the changes and all expressed universal support for Beth and her efforts. And all of that continues right to the present day. The back road entrance defnitely needs work but the price of admission is not out of line with the cost needed to preserve the site.
May of us choose to make it more economically viable by becoming members or friends of the Fort which allows us free admission to the numerous events throughout the year. It makes the 6 or more visits that I make to the fort each year a real bargain.
You're an idiot. What are you looking at when you go? How it's falling apart? Some areas have a grogeous view, as well as the garden being well kept. There's no "capabilities that were dormant". It's a pile of historical rocks that happened to be right on the lake to give a gorgeous view. What on Earth do you look at when you go? The same things on display over and over again? The fort never changed. They have ONE new exhibit they change every summer to make it look like they're active when you can still see those same exact things throughout the rest of the exhibits. When I went to the fort I saw upset and aggravated staff, and when I spoke to a few when I saw them outside of their jobs I couldn't find a single one who liked their job in any way and all hated Beth. Who have you spoken to? The people who work directly under her and weren't affected by her changes or the actual STAFF who DO the work?
Two strikes

Atlanta, GA

#16 May 27, 2014
It sounds like they hired two! bad directors in a row. Wow. Bad luck or bad direction from the board?

As for exhibits, it is not uncommon for museums to keep their main exhibits the same for many years, and then have an exhibit or two that are seasonal. Not rocket science.

What has ALREADY happened is that the Fort has lost its "sense of place," which is what people come to historic sites for in the first place. It is, after all, a 20th century RECREATION of an 18th century fort.

Let us hope that the same mistakes don't happen at the fort in Crown Point. BIGGER and MORE is not necessarily better. But then, what else can you expect from trust fund boomers??
Waste Management

Hudson, NY

#17 May 30, 2014
If history is not coming first, the directors job should be history. There a plenty of knowledgable people willing put history first. Mount Hope, Mount Defiance, the Fort, Ticonderoga, NY and the rest of America deserve history at it's best and all of it at that.
Curious

Ticonderoga, NY

#18 May 31, 2014
Anyone notice the good employees leaving the tyrant?
Bassman

Ticonderoga, NY

#19 Aug 20, 2014
I think Beth Hill is running the Fort with a view to producing short term revenue and glowing self-produced press coverage- her ticket to a better paying job at a larger operation like the Smithsonian. I think her decisions will hurt the Fort in the long term and she either doesn't care or doesn't realize it.
local

Ticonderoga, NY

#20 Aug 20, 2014
Bassman wrote:
I think Beth Hill is running the Fort with a view to producing short term revenue and glowing self-produced press coverage- her ticket to a better paying job at a larger operation like the Smithsonian. I think her decisions will hurt the Fort in the long term and she either doesn't care or doesn't realize it.
She is not a nice person .

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