(Deborah) Mars Is Out of Fort Ti
wicked witch

Schoharie, NY

#167 Jul 30, 2008
Ponderer wrote:
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I have to say this is a bit too inscrutible for me to decifer. At the risk of defiling your poetic license, just what the heck are you trying to say?!
It's a quote from the song "No Good Deed Goes Unpunished", from the musical Wicked. The line about all good deeds being selfishly motivated (the do-gooder being desirous of fame or acclaim) comes to my mind whenever folk yammer about the Mars and their generosity.

If the Marses have the right to withdraw their money, I say the Fort has the right to withdraw her name from the building. Give her a little plaque, no bigger than any that references any Pell or warrior. And from now on refer to the building as the Fort Ticonderoga Education Center.
wicked witch

Schoharie, NY

#168 Jul 30, 2008
How to define family wrote:
What goes around come around. However, you have to live a while to see it happen. We're seeing it happen.
What do you think will happen when some family members treat others like they are lesser...for decades? What do you think will happen when other types of "breaches of trust" take place, infidelities, hurtful acts of all sorts.
What happens when some members of a family treat a community like they are lesser--while others did not, for generations.
What happens when dedicated employees are treated as lesser, "dismissed" in so many ways, for years and years and years.
It comes around. And it has.
Oh, one more thing. Let us not pretend. This organization, Fort Ticonderoga, has been ill-run, financially speaking, and otherwise, for many, many years. Before the Mars family. Let us be clear, honest and undertand. This web that has been spun by those in control (but not in control) is now hurting all of us who truly care about Fort Ticonderoga. Including those us who may be "lesser."
Your self-pity is stunning. If you and yours had stuck by your extended family rather than trying to clear them out of town, not attacked your elder during his final days and broken his heart, none of us would be in this position of frustration and powerlessness today.
wicked witch

Schoharie, NY

#169 Jul 30, 2008
It has been the theory of one Pell for several years that the Mars intended to bankrupt Fort Ti so that they could bail it out...with some simple thank yous transferred to them or their company, such as LAND, LAND and more LAND, houses and million dollar antiquities. Forrest is obsessed with Colonial Williamsburg and would probably like to have a Mars themed amusement park adjacent to the Fort, a resort, etc. etc. They could afford to build a park in the blink of an eye. Why can't they afford to complete this job, tiny to them, huge to the Fort? It is incredibly bad pr for their name and their brand. Unless they intend to come back and fix it...a corporate takeover of a non-profit org. which is cash poor but Lake Champlain waterfront land rich, good will rich, museum rich.

The individual also warned that the Fort couldn't afford to be open year-round without assurances that the Mars would cover increased running costs.(Geo-thermal, schmeo-thermal...it costs a fortune to heat a building in the north country, and the fort was already barely making ends meet.)

Nick and the board defended their decision to do whatever Forrest asked, saying that he had given them a guaranteed line of credit to complete the job, in the event that ample funds were not raised.(How on earth could that happen, the individual asked...he can write a check for any amount?) And the fort take out a LOAN?!!! That concept went in the face of John HG Pell and his father Stephen, who stewarded the Fort for 80 years, adding to the Fort's collection, acquiring more land, building up the Fort's endowment.

Turns out there never was a secure line of credit. It was a lie put forth by an outsider who had been waiting for the day John Pell died so he could buy his way into control of the board. The Fort board thus allowed this uniquely stewarded American treasure to hang high and dry, simply out of love and lust for power, personal fame, and the Mars money.
west

Schoharie, NY

#170 Jul 30, 2008
How to define family wrote:
What goes around come around. However, you have to live a while to see it happen. We're seeing it happen.
What do you think will happen when some family members treat others like they are lesser...for decades? What do you think will happen when other types of "breaches of trust" take place, infidelities, hurtful acts of all sorts.
What happens when some members of a family treat a community like they are lesser--while others did not, for generations.
What happens when dedicated employees are treated as lesser, "dismissed" in so many ways, for years and years and years.
It comes around. And it has.
Oh, one more thing. Let us not pretend. This organization, Fort Ticonderoga, has been ill-run, financially speaking, and otherwise, for many, many years. Before the Mars family. Let us be clear, honest and undertand. This web that has been spun by those in control (but not in control) is now hurting all of us who truly care about Fort Ticonderoga. Including those us who may be "lesser."
John Pell loved this town and it's people, he considered himself one of them, built himself a home as a college student, was a registered voter here. He admired the people here for their honesty, work ethic and fairness. He never referred to them as "Chilsonites, North Country folk, white trash, trailer trash and in-breds", as I have often heard come out of the mouth of one of your family members.

Get over your lifelong jealousy...none of it is your uncle's fault, it is your father's. Lay the blame where it belongs, and accept your own blame for being a snob to your cousins who have always tried to connect with you, NEVER snubbed you.
so sad

Schoharie, NY

#171 Jul 30, 2008
Consider wrote:
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The "source" of the PR in both the Press Republican and Post-Star is one of the "local" Pells (whose last name is not Pell) stirring up as much trouble as he possibly can for both the board and the fort. He is personally responsible for leaking confidential information that only makes it more difficult to deal with the situations at hand.
Be careful, he also threatens to sue EVERYONE who talks about him!
jenny

Schoharie, NY

#172 Jul 30, 2008
Run, Forrest, Run!!!
Sam

Tampa, FL

#173 Aug 1, 2008
The source in the Post-Star wasn't the Pells. Will Doolitle's mother works for another museum. He wrote the story, which is unusual, because he's an editor. It seems like his source would only talk to him.
river girl

United States

#174 Aug 1, 2008
I found it very interesting that it took the Press 2 weeks or more to get a similar story. I also read ( probably in the Post) that the antiques could not be sold to get the Fort out of "hock". But that is my recollection, I could be wrong again, but don't think so.

From soome of the readinig here, I geet the flavor, the Fort would like to make the Mars's ( is that correct 's)?{plural Mars} the scape goat of this whole thing.

Mars ('s) have more property than they really need and how nice for them. Don't think Forrest needs to have any tax shelters for gifts etc. Granted I'm not a multi millionaire, I do not have tax advisors hanging out of my pockets, but common sense dictates to me the thought of "getting that property" so he can look good in the public eye IF he were to donate it sounds real bogus to me.
What museum

Englewood, CO

#175 Aug 1, 2008
What museum does she work for?

Might the museum she works for have ever worked collaboratively with Fort Ti/Westbrook?
Sam wrote:
The source in the Post-Star wasn't the Pells. Will Doolitle's mother works for another museum. He wrote the story, which is unusual, because he's an editor. It seems like his source would only talk to him.
Ponderer

United States

#176 Aug 1, 2008
Fort Westbrook?!!!!!

I'm losing my lunch over this hilarious comment!!!!!

Having an asthma attack!!!!(Where's my albuterol inhaler?)
George Washington

AOL

#177 Aug 2, 2008
Let's all stand back and realize that no one person can actually own history. If the ego's are at war, so be it. What is happening here is a important piece of American history is under seige again. If the board truly cared for this Fort they could bail it out in a minute just by passing the hat around the table. Why is it when someone has so much money all they can do is try to buy something no one else has. The theory of Forrest and Deb wanting the fort as their own could be true and could be a lie. The bottom line is we here in Ticonderoga have a national treasure on our doorstep. Maybe it is time to take up arms and fight to protect our Fort. This Fort belongs to the people of this country. It tells a story of bravery and sacrifice. Maybe a few of the players here need to look back at the history books and realize that the Fort needs to stand and be there as a symbol of freedom and independence. Long live Fort Ti!
river girl

United States

#178 Aug 3, 2008
Yeah George! Now see there has been a replacement on the fort's Board. Very impressive list of credentials, if your into that sort of thing. Hails from Essex I read. What the hell is wrong with having or asking a local person of normal breeding and raising here in this lovely town to join the Board? Is it due to a lack of finances, connections or just not a fine enough eyebrow? Me thinks a local who agrees with Georges' ideals and thoughts, would be a better helpmate on the team than the newly appointed (annointed)one.

Perhaps it would be best if the Feds took it over, or gee perhaps check in with Vermont. They might be interested.......it was the Green Mountain Boys and Ethan Allen, wasn't it?
George Washington

AOL

#179 Aug 4, 2008
I hope they remember that it was the common man that made the difference in the war. Money is only that. It has no character, dignity or soul. It will lead anyone into fool hardy ways and self delusion. The fort is for the people. The rich man of this country have indeed lead us into a sad state of affairs. Long live Fort TI!!!!
Rihanna

Wasco, CA

#180 Sep 17, 2008
T.I is HOTTTT
George Washington

Woodbridge, VA

#181 Oct 9, 2008
Deborah Clarke Mars is a lying cheating T.r.a.m.p. That's why her husband is cheating on her with a 20 years old!
Ponderer

United States

#182 Oct 9, 2008
George Washington wrote:
Deborah Clarke Mars is a lying cheating T.r.a.m.p. That's why her husband is cheating on her with a 20 years old!
Dumb and cowardly comment.
girrlwonder

New Paltz, NY

#183 Oct 10, 2008
are you people seriously bashing the mars'? one of you should stop up to mars hill for a good ass beating!
stupid

Louisa, VA

#184 Oct 15, 2008
They are not talking about those Mars. How dumb are you did you read any of the above posts
Ponderers 411

Richmond, VA

#185 Oct 21, 2008
Deborah Clarke Mars is a lying cheating T.r.a.m.p. That's why her husband is cheating on her with a 20 years old!
Ponderers 411

Richmond, VA

#186 Oct 21, 2008
#1 M.A.R.S O.FF.I.CE. B.I.T.C.H.E.S
DEBORAH CLARKE MARS - O.L.D S.T.U.P.ID..H.O.R.E
Deborah Clarke Mars is a lying cheating T.r.a.m.p. That's why her husband is cheating on her with a 20 years old!

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