Intresting

Largo, FL

#22 Nov 11, 2012
special ed wrote:
I retired two years ago from a school, and I can tell you that the special ed cost per child was 35,000 for their transportation and services at CVES, I also can tell you that a few years prior there was a student enrolled from Ticonderoga that only attended school a total of twelve days at this cost, so who is watching the chiildren and your tax money in Ticonderoga if the money is collected and the child has not been attending? the system has some serious flaws that is costing the district money that would be better spent on children that want an education.
This $35,000 CVES paid was specifically for what? How much state aid was thrown into this equation. Did you provide the same education as a public school. Those twelve days at school also provides for transportation costs to Boston (one child) for the student and his parent. Housing the week they are there and food (nine weeks). Just wondering.
Jackal

Mineville, NY

#23 Nov 11, 2012
mother wrote:
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Exactly. Sports are offered soccer, basketball and golf. Uniforms are purchased by parents. Practice and game transportation are provided by parents.
the only problem I see with this statement is how exclusionary it would make school. Only the moderately wealthy kids would be able to compete in sports. There has to be a happy medium in there somewhere.
Fundraising

Burlington, VT

#24 Nov 11, 2012
Just one more example of how we could use what other schools do as an example.(Private and public.)
Jackal wrote:
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the only problem I see with this statement is how exclusionary it would make school. Only the moderately wealthy kids would be able to compete in sports. There has to be a happy medium in there somewhere.
This Reminds me

San Diego, CA

#25 Nov 11, 2012
For some reason, this post reminds me of something things I was told and have never forgotten.

A few years ago, the director of spec. ed. told me, outloud, and in the hallway, that "if she could get another job, she would." I immediately had a couple of thoughts. First, how could she be dedicated to the students that she was hired to serve with THAT attitude?(I guess riding out the job until X number of years to retirement is more important.)

Also, she told me that "everything here (meaning the district) gets blamed on special ed." In other words, when the powers that be wants to "explain" why the cost of operating the school is so high, the finger gets pointed at special ed.(Among others, I suppose, but it does seems clear that spec. ed. is one of their favorite scape goats.

There was a third thing she told me that I will still have to think about more before I say what it was.

The thing is, it's all a game of laying blame and finger pointing and the students and taxpayers suffer the "cost," in more ways than one. Believe me.
broke wrote:
<quoted text>This is without doubt the coldest thing I will ever say on this forum yet I feel I must,If we added up the cost to transport special needs,special buses,elevators, extra staff, and on and on,,, to what end? are we sending these poor children in the interest of fairness alone?If they are to become truly "contributory" members of society that's one thing,but if there is little hope then sadly there is little point.Please don't think I am without compassion for special needs children,truly not the case. However if we are destined to take care of them any how as their condition likely precludes employment after school then would it not be prudent to allocate the financial resources to better serve them?
Jackal

Mineville, NY

#26 Nov 12, 2012
Honestly, though, so-called special education is a bit of a game here in New York. Here's what I mean: Suppose you have a child that's a bit on the rambunctious side. The school, always on the lookout to have things go smoothly, insist that the parents take the child to a doctor for an evaluation. Usually the doctor recommended is one the school district has used before. This doctor, familiar with the game deems the child to have ADD or ADHD and medicates the child, even though the child most likely does not have anything wrong with them. In my opinion, show me a child that is NOT rambunctious and then we'll take them to the doctor. So, now the endgame... because that child is now medicated, they are now deemed as 'special needs' students by the state. That means that the school now gets additional funding for that child.

So, it's only good business and that's what a school district is, a business. Even though they don't turn a profit, they still like to stay in the black in a ledger. Looks better come school board election time.

The downside? now you have a child that has been unnecessarily medicated.
Are we Suckers

Albany, NY

#27 Nov 13, 2012
Things are out of control.How can things keep going like this. It's disqusting.
Jackal wrote:
Honestly, though, so-called special education is a bit of a game here in New York. Here's what I mean: Suppose you have a child that's a bit on the rambunctious side. The school, always on the lookout to have things go smoothly, insist that the parents take the child to a doctor for an evaluation. Usually the doctor recommended is one the school district has used before. This doctor, familiar with the game deems the child to have ADD or ADHD and medicates the child, even though the child most likely does not have anything wrong with them. In my opinion, show me a child that is NOT rambunctious and then we'll take them to the doctor. So, now the endgame... because that child is now medicated, they are now deemed as 'special needs' students by the state. That means that the school now gets additional funding for that child.
So, it's only good business and that's what a school district is, a business. Even though they don't turn a profit, they still like to stay in the black in a ledger. Looks better come school board election time.
The downside? now you have a child that has been unnecessarily medicated.
DrNash

Endicott, NY

#28 Nov 14, 2012
Worse than described above, inner-city parents feed their children chocolate for breakfast to fuel restless behavior in ALL their children, and here's why; If they can get a referral from the school for ADD or ADHD and get their child on medication, they now qualify for Social Security to send them a check every month for their "disabled" child. Some have 5 such kids.$$$$$$$$ get the picture. So far it is mainly minority families jumping on the cash cow. They get the disabilty checks until they turn 18.
I am told by a teacher, if they refuse to give the parent a referral, they go to the administration and chimp-out until they get it.
DrNash

Endicott, NY

#29 Nov 14, 2012
To the subject of special needs kids...many of them will never learn to read. It requires special transportation and a one-on-one aide all day long. The school has become nothing more than a taxpayer funded babysitter/daycare center for their retard that should be in an institution.
lol

United States

#30 Nov 14, 2012
DrNash wrote:
To the subject of special needs kids...many of them will never learn to read. It requires special transportation and a one-on-one aide all day long. The school has become nothing more than a taxpayer funded babysitter/daycare center for their retard that should be in an institution.
I love reading the posts of an ignorant ass .That is you. Nash.
DrNash

Endicott, NY

#31 Nov 15, 2012
lol wrote:
<quoted text> I love reading the posts of an ignorant ass .That is you. Nash.
The truth tends to anger people that are touched by it, so they lash out as best they can with an insult. I'll give yours an A+ for a 5th grader. Please come to the school on parent-teacher day and meet me.
Wow

Schroon Lake, NY

#32 Nov 15, 2012
You can't get more ignorant than this clown, Dr.Nash. He just makes stuff up!

DrNash wrote:
Worse than described above, inner-city parents feed their children chocolate for breakfast to fuel restless behavior in ALL their children, and here's why; If they can get a referral from the school for ADD or ADHD and get their child on medication, they now qualify for Social Security to send them a check every month for their "disabled" child. Some have 5 such kids.$$$$$$$$ get the picture. So far it is mainly minority families jumping on the cash cow. They get the disabilty checks until they turn 18.
I am told by a teacher, if they refuse to give the parent a referral, they go to the administration and chimp-out until they get it.
Missing posts

Burlington, VT

#33 Nov 15, 2012
I think there are some recent posts missing. Where did they go?
lol

Bayonne, NJ

#34 Nov 15, 2012
DrNash wrote:
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The truth tends to anger people that are touched by it, so they lash out as best they can with an insult. I'll give yours an A+ for a 5th grader. Please come to the school on parent-teacher day and meet me.
. LOL LOL
This Reminds me

San Diego, CA

#35 Nov 15, 2012
My last post is missing.

Why is that?
DrNash

Endicott, NY

#36 Nov 16, 2012
Wow wrote:
You can't get more ignorant than this clown, Dr.Nash. He just makes stuff up!
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Spend 2 minutes researching it or ask an elementary teacher if this could be correct. I know for a fact that it is. Since links don't post well on topix, Google this;
ADD adhd social security

Like George Bush sad....believe me now?
Missing posts

Burlington, VT

#37 Nov 19, 2012
Re-post, please.

I think we should keep talking about school taxes!!
This Reminds me wrote:
My last post is missing.
Why is that?
This Reminds me

San Diego, CA

#38 Nov 21, 2012
Here is the post that was deleted.(However, there were more posts deleted, not just mine!)
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I guess it's time to tell the third statement that was made to me by the spec. ed. director.

First, I'd like to say something about children being medicated. There are always going to be kids that are misdiagnosed.(Think of how many times a doctor has misdiagnosed you.) And then, there are the children who, in fact, have ADHD or other learning disability, whose parents are told they don't have ADHD, or other disabiliy. It takes a *real* specialist, and you are not going to find that in Ticonderoga. IMO, a g.p. should NOT diagnose and treat ADHD.(And, a credible, valuable assessment does not come cheap.) Then, there are the parents who deny their children have a "problem," and also kids (usually older) who refuse to be labeled.(Again, you are most likely NOT going to find a proper assessment in Ticonderoga.)

Now, to what I was told. Please try to follow this because IT IS IMPORTANT. She told me that there are approximately X% of children with a genuine, diagnosable learning disability. BUT, she was instructed to "keep the numbers down" to about Y% of IEPs written.*X% is the bigger number* So, if the spec. ed. dept. is instructed to write only a certain percentage of IEPs (Y% being the smaller number), WHAT HAPPENS TO THE CHILDREN WHO DON'T RECEIVE THE SERVICES THAT THEY NEED AND DESERVE?! Answer, they simply are shoved through the cracks--not fall, shoved. Because remember, the instructions are to write a smaller number of IEPs.

So, what is the answer? If you truly feel that your child has a learning disability, get the out of town for an assessment, and also MAKE CERTAIN that the person who provides the assesment is qualified (credentialed) because your assessment will be thrown in the trash if it doesn't come from a properly credentialed professional. Also, have a lawyer waiting in the wings. I'm very sorry to have to say it, but you may very well need one. Become as familiar with NYS Education law as possible. Keep records of EVERYTHING, and I do mean everything, including phone calls. And lastly, I sincerely wish you luck. I do.
Missing posts wrote:
Re-post, please.
I think we should keep talking about school taxes!!
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Willis

Pickerel, WI

#40 Nov 22, 2012
McDonald the ultimate libtard is already a tax rapist towards those who pay school taxes without representation.
Jackal

Mineville, NY

#41 Nov 22, 2012
Willis wrote:
McDonald the ultimate libtard is already a tax rapist towards those who pay school taxes without representation.
you're dumb.
how many other names have you posted under on these forums?
Willis

Pickerel, WI

#42 Nov 23, 2012
Jackal wrote:
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you're dumb.
how many other names have you posted under on these forums?
Well prove me wrong ya dumbazz

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