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San Diego, CA

#1 Nov 9, 2012
OMG Really, McDonald?
Is this his best idea? Wonder how long he worked at this brain child! And yet, NO wonder why we're in so much economic trouble...

http://www.timesofti.com/news/2012/oct/19/tic...

"The money for the education fund could be generated by those who use the Adirondack Park, McDonald suggested.

#“Since the Adirondack Park was established and is constantly touted as the ‘playground’ for the state, it’s only fair that those who benefit from it should help those who live in it,” McDonald said."
Intresting

Largo, FL

#2 Nov 10, 2012
We in the park are regulated by Forever Wild Laws, APA zoning laws, mandates for water (putts pond which has served the Ti community for years),run-off, and soon weather or not were even allowed to put our boat in lake george and how mch it will cost. Rules made to protet a 6 million acre park. The state lowers the impact on taxes by law to these properties, the Hydro and others which the towns people have to pick up. Seems like if your a private citizen or business if you want something you have to pay for it. Should the users of this greast resours really just get it free while the local people support it for them. Just curious.
Jackal

Mineville, NY

#3 Nov 10, 2012
Consider this: We live inside the Adirondack Park, an area of the state that is mandated and managed by a board that is unelected. The majority of these unelected people do not live here, but still find time to tell those of us that DO live here how to live. With that understood, students in this park ARE at a disadvantage to students in other areas of New York; the tax base is just too small to absorb the cost of day to day operations. End result? The students at school inside the Park miss out so many more opportunities that other students take for granted. In the long run, when these students go out into the real world of college or working world, they are at a huge disadvantage compared to their peers.

Honestly, the fact that Essex County is overriding the tax cap that was set here in New York is troubling. Its' troubling because there is only so much money to be made in wages here (and that is a pittance compared to other areas of New York) and that means there is only so much tax that can be charged. It's the old 'you can get blood from a stone' argument. What further muddies the issue is that absentee landowners who in most cases are somewhat wealthy and can afford to have their CPA's and lawyers get around their tax burden. In the end, those of that live here year round get it jammed right up the old pooper.

So a fund from New York state, yes. Tax increases, no.
Broke

Ticonderoga, NY

#4 Nov 10, 2012
If our students are so dis-advantaged educationally,then why is our cost per student so high but our results so poor? Our cost per student annually is more than a SUNY college with room and board and books!
Hayseed

Crown Point, NY

#5 Nov 10, 2012
Jackal wrote; "The students at school inside the Park miss out so many more opportunities that other students take for granted. In the long run, when these students go out into the real world of college or working world, they are at a huge disadvantage compared to their peers.”

Stop complaining. It was a personal choice to raise your family here. What did you expect? Your kids would have been far better off being brought up at a campground on Long Island.
Keep our taxes down

United States

#6 Nov 10, 2012
Keep our Taxes down tax who ever you have to.Ticonderoga has all ways had hi taxes
St Marys

Burlington, VT

#7 Nov 10, 2012
Ask schools like St. Mary's (and many others) HOW they can give student a better education--or let's say at least an equal education--with a budget that is a fraction of the cost of the public school.

They know how to work within their means and do without. Make difficult choices. Without greed!!! Like we all have to with our own personal budgets.
broke

Ticonderoga, NY

#8 Nov 10, 2012
Sister Sharon for superintendent,she'd get my vote,her schools results speak for themselves,and the budget she uses to achieve these excellent results says as much for the public schools excess and incompetence as it does for her clearly superior managerial and educational skills,better take notes "John".
Man about town

Mineville, NY

#9 Nov 10, 2012
St Marys wrote:
Ask schools like St. Mary's (and many others) HOW they can give student a better education--or let's say at least an equal education--with a budget that is a fraction of the cost of the public school.
They know how to work within their means and do without. Make difficult choices. Without greed!!! Like we all have to with our own personal budgets.
Compare the teachers salaries and I think you may find your answer.
compare

Ticonderoga, NY

#10 Nov 10, 2012
good example how teachers making less still teach at a high level. st, mary's teachers live in the area and pay the same taxes and are able to do so on less income. imagine if everyone had to budget, including ticonderoga central school teachers.
Intresting

Largo, FL

#11 Nov 11, 2012
Teachers saleries and benefits are outstanding at THS. There are other costs incurred by THS that benefit St. Mary's. Busing is paid completely by THS which also takes care of St. Mary's students. No high school with all the costs it has. Limited sports. Special needs come to Ti. I wonder if Sister had to pick up one handicapped kid costing the district $100,000 per year how her budget would look. We need to compare apples to apples. With our last election, no matter which way you voted, the unions which drive the costs through the roof will still be protected. Obama ran on them and the teachers backed him 100%. There are great oppuritunity's John needs to pursue quickly to get ahead of this budget process. I can think of two off the top of my head. How about you people. Any ideas?
Watchdog

United States

#12 Nov 11, 2012
Intresting wrote:
Teachers saleries and benefits are outstanding at THS. There are other costs incurred by THS that benefit St. Mary's. Busing is paid completely by THS which also takes care of St. Mary's students. No high school with all the costs it has. Limited sports. Special needs come to Ti. I wonder if Sister had to pick up one handicapped kid costing the district $100,000 per year how her budget would look. We need to compare apples to apples. With our last election, no matter which way you voted, the unions which drive the costs through the roof will still be protected. Obama ran on them and the teachers backed him 100%. There are great oppuritunity's John needs to pursue quickly to get ahead of this budget process. I can think of two off the top of my head. How about you people. Any ideas?
$100K per year to transport a physically challenged student? I think you're shooting from the hip with those figures. Obama won, so get over it and move forward.
mother

United States

#13 Nov 11, 2012
I think the big thing is salaries. St.Mary's has excellent teachers all of whom have been there a longtime. They believe in education and get paid a small fraction of what the public school teachers are paid. They then volunteer on weekends and evenings to put on extra programs and fund raising. They recurve retirement and health benefits just like public school teachers, so the big difference is pay.
Jackal

Mineville, NY

#14 Nov 11, 2012
Hayseed wrote:
Jackal wrote; "The students at school inside the Park miss out so many more opportunities that other students take for granted. In the long run, when these students go out into the real world of college or working world, they are at a huge disadvantage compared to their peers.”
Stop complaining. It was a personal choice to raise your family here. What did you expect? Your kids would have been far better off being brought up at a campground on Long Island.
actually, i don't have a family here, but did graduate in the area. I find that the education my nieces and nephews are receiving, well, sucks. Comparing to what other students around the state are offered, it's no wonder that graduates from the Adirondacks are at a decided disadvantage. What does bother me is the emphasis that is put on athletics here. Granted, its a wonderful bragging point to have a high school football team or basketball/soccer/baseball/etc that is top flight, but at what expense?
special ed

Ticonderoga, NY

#15 Nov 11, 2012
I retired two years ago from a school, and I can tell you that the special ed cost per child was 35,000 for their transportation and services at CVES, I also can tell you that a few years prior there was a student enrolled from Ticonderoga that only attended school a total of twelve days at this cost, so who is watching the chiildren and your tax money in Ticonderoga if the money is collected and the child has not been attending? the system has some serious flaws that is costing the district money that would be better spent on children that want an education.
ABC

Selkirk, NY

#16 Nov 11, 2012
Watchdog wrote:
<quoted text>
$100K per year to transport a physically challenged student? I think you're shooting from the hip with those figures. Obama won, so get over it and move forward.
Pretty sure the previous poster was not saying it costs $100k just to transport the student, instead they were saying is costs $100k a year to provide everything that student needs.
Regardless of differences in salary there are definitely other factors that help keep costs down for St. Mary's. As was previously stated they do not have to deal with maintaining a fleet of buses and providing transportation, they do not have a high school, they have far fewer students, they don't incur all of the special ed related costs that the public school does, and they don't offer as many different sports, keeping down uniform and equipment costs as well as the sports transportation costs as the school does do some transport for athletics. Does St. Mary's do an excellent job with the kids they teach? Absolutely. Can you make a straight comparison between them and the public school? No, not really.
Jackal

Mineville, NY

#18 Nov 11, 2012
ABC wrote:
<quoted text>
Pretty sure the previous poster was not saying it costs $100k just to transport the student, instead they were saying is costs $100k a year to provide everything that student needs.
Regardless of differences in salary there are definitely other factors that help keep costs down for St. Mary's. As was previously stated they do not have to deal with maintaining a fleet of buses and providing transportation, they do not have a high school, they have far fewer students, they don't incur all of the special ed related costs that the public school does, and they don't offer as many different sports, keeping down uniform and equipment costs as well as the sports transportation costs as the school does do some transport for athletics. Does St. Mary's do an excellent job with the kids they teach? Absolutely. Can you make a straight comparison between them and the public school? No, not really.
granted St. Mary's is a good education, BUT as an atheist, i don't know if I would want my child going to a catholic school. That's more of a personal observation and opinion than a financial one, granted.
Comparisons

San Diego, CA

#19 Nov 11, 2012
Anyone with a little college business education could crunch the numbers and make a fair comparison.

The POINT IS, I think, that St. Mary's offers a very good education WHILE DOING BUSINESS WITHIN THEIR MEANS.(EG, any building projects happened lately at St. Mary's??)

They work hard(!) at deciding what can at deciding what's essential and what isn't. Like we all have to do with our own money. When there's more money, you can give me. When there's less money, you DON'T RUN TO THE TAXPAYERS.

Maybe the school district (board, superintendent) should look to other districts and states to see what is being done to cut down on the cost of busing, sports, lunches, etc.
ABC wrote:
<quoted text>
Pretty sure the previous poster was not saying it costs $100k just to transport the student, instead they were saying is costs $100k a year to provide everything that student needs.
Regardless of differences in salary there are definitely other factors that help keep costs down for St. Mary's. As was previously stated they do not have to deal with maintaining a fleet of buses and providing transportation, they do not have a high school, they have far fewer students, they don't incur all of the special ed related costs that the public school does, and they don't offer as many different sports, keeping down uniform and equipment costs as well as the sports transportation costs as the school does do some transport for athletics. Does St. Mary's do an excellent job with the kids they teach? Absolutely. Can you make a straight comparison between them and the public school? No, not really.
mother

United States

#20 Nov 11, 2012
Comparisons wrote:
<quoted text>Anyone with a little college business education could crunch the numbers and make a fair comparison.

The POINT IS, I think, that St. Mary's offers a very good education WHILE DOING BUSINESS WITHIN THEIR MEANS.(EG, any building projects happened lately at St. Mary's??)

They work hard(!) at deciding what can at deciding what's essential and what isn't. Like we all have to do with our own money. When there's more money, you can give me. When there's less money, you DON'T RUN TO THE TAXPAYERS.

Maybe the school district (board, superintendent) should look to other districts and states to see what is being done to cut down on the cost of busing, sports, lunches, etc.
Exactly. Sports are offered soccer, basketball and golf. Uniforms are purchased by parents. Practice and game transportation are provided by parents. Money is spent cautiously and with need met not always want. The teachers are there to educate no planning periods, you won't see a St.Marys teacher out tanning or having lunch with their spouse or in Walmart or the bank as I see public school teachers everyday.
broke

Ticonderoga, NY

#21 Nov 11, 2012
special ed wrote:
I retired two years ago from a school, and I can tell you that the special ed cost per child was 35,000 for their transportation and services at CVES, I also can tell you that a few years prior there was a student enrolled from Ticonderoga that only attended school a total of twelve days at this cost, so who is watching the chiildren and your tax money in Ticonderoga if the money is collected and the child has not been attending? the system has some serious flaws that is costing the district money that would be better spent on children that want an education.
This is without doubt the coldest thing I will ever say on this forum yet I feel I must,If we added up the cost to transport special needs,special buses,elevators, extra staff, and on and on,,, to what end? are we sending these poor children in the interest of fairness alone?If they are to become truly "contributory" members of society that's one thing,but if there is little hope then sadly there is little point.Please don't think I am without compassion for special needs children,truly not the case. However if we are destined to take care of them any how as their condition likely precludes employment after school then would it not be prudent to allocate the financial resources to better serve them?

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