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old test new test wrote:
I think if the school sent home copies of the old NYS tests most parents could not pass them! Even the third grade one. Parents are most of the problem, the article says the new test stress critical thinking skills. Unfortunately most kids are not getting that from sitting in front of the TV watching stupid shows and playing video games.
Parents can help children to understand what more and less mean and whether to add or subtract when they go to the store and earn money. Parents expect the school to teach children everything, even common sense things, which is very hard when they have no foundation.
State testing is all about money and government, but it does show what is lacking. Parents need to turn off the TV and READ to their kids and play board games, which help children to develop logical thinking. We do these simple things with our kids and they thought the test was challenging but not stressful. WAKE UP PARENTS!
I guess the local schools dropped the ball on the parents too. Maybe we should all move to Crown Point since they scored above the state average. I am sick of hearing it's because the children come form poor families, really? Accept the fact that something is very wrong with the local school district and fix it. Trying to blame the parents, children and the test is a waste of time. Teach!
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Aug 13, 2013
 
Very poor leadership. Start there. Soon!!!
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The trend to write IEP's and sending the children to BOCES is cycling back to keeping them at the home school and hiring extra aides.Is it really a cost saving issue or the fact that many children do not need to be segregated from the home school.All to often extra help with academics and behavioral intervention plans can turn a child around so that a child can eventually accomplish his/her school work.
The secret is to have a real behavioral specialist. The current person in the elementary does not have the training. The school needs to bring someone in to work with the teachers and aides. This would help the students and staff.
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"Choice" is on target. You need highly trained professionals to work with special needs (BD, ED,ADD,ADHD,mentally challenged) children. Even in school systems having these professionals, the programs fall short if parents are not required to participate. The behavior of children most often is an outgrowth of parental problems. The best school programs will be undermined if parents aren't supportive and do their part. The old saying. "you can lead a horse to water but you can not make him drink" applies to students as well. It is the parents job to motivate their children to learn. The teachers apply the curriculum and instruction and must have the skills to do so.
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This is, to some degree, what I was speaking of. True, no one in the school system has the credentials or real training to deal with biological issues like ADHD or ODD, etc. What is need is a team of a psychologist and a child psychiatrist--someone who can prescribe meds, if needed. HOWEVER, bringing those people into the system would not solve the problem--the assistance these children needs must come from OUTSIDE the system, otherwise, it will become corrupted. In other words, as long as the "funding" comes from the school district, the students needs will be at risk. Understand what I mean?

As one special education program director told me: Most teachers cannot identify ADHD. Etc. And, even if they can, they are not qualified to assess or treat medical issues. NOR should they be!

I believe that parents would be much more attentive to real medical professionals that come from outside the system. And, therefore, be much more willing to listen, learn and be able to identify and cope with on-going and acute problems, and also assist their children in eventually learning how to manage their own behavior. This takes a lot of learning and a lot of time.

Fact: ADHD, ODD, OCD etc. are, in fact, medical disorders. Even though ADHD, for example, is highly heritable, it is not "caused" by bad parental behavior. Ever. Or, ill-equipped, frustrated teachers.(Although these problems just make everything worse for the child.)
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This is, to some degree, what I was speaking of. True, no one in the school system has the credentials or real training to deal with biological issues like ADHD or ODD, etc. What is need is a team of a psychologist and a child psychiatrist--someone who can prescribe meds, if needed. HOWEVER, bringing those people into the system would not solve the problem--the assistance these children needs must come from OUTSIDE the system, otherwise, it will become corrupted. In other words, as long as the "funding" comes from the school district, the students needs will be at risk. Understand what I mean?
As one special education program director told me: Most teachers cannot identify ADHD. Etc. And, even if they can, they are not qualified to assess or treat medical issues. NOR should they be!
I believe that parents would be much more attentive to real medical professionals that come from outside the system. And, therefore, be much more willing to listen, learn and be able to identify and cope with on-going and acute problems, and also assist their children in eventually learning how to manage their own behavior. This takes a lot of learning and a lot of time.
Fact: ADHD, ODD, OCD etc. are, in fact, medical disorders. Even though ADHD, for example, is highly heritable, it is not "caused" by bad parental behavior. Ever. Or, ill-equipped, frustrated teachers.(Although these problems just make everything worse for the child.)
Many other issues such as sensory, visual, auditory or environmental could also be present. If there is a deficit in any of these areas it will impact the learning for the child. A person must be trained to identity and set up a proper intervention. If these areas are not addressed the child will demonstrate behavior issues because he is unable to learn without the proper interventions. The teachers and aides must also be trained to use the interventions in the classrooms. It is very important to test a struggling child to see if any of these areas are impacted. Ignoring it because of numbers does not make it go away. Throwing untrained staff on it does not make it go away. It is treatable, but must be addressed early by trained professionals.
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Kudos to the last two posters! You both are spot on.

And sadly, we must add to the list those children who suffer from Fetal Alcohol Syndrome, which is very tricky to diagnose and treat. There are many more kids who suffer from FASD in this community than people might guess or want to admit. Even though it is 100% preventable.

This school district needs to get out of the 19th century and into the real world. There are a lot of issues to manage, and they need to be dealt with head-on. I just don't see the talent, wisdom or will to even begin given the state that everything is in currently.

It's very sad.
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Many other issues such as sensory, visual, auditory or environmental could also be present. If there is a deficit in any of these areas it will impact the learning for the child. A person must be trained to identity and set up a proper intervention. If these areas are not addressed the child will demonstrate behavior issues because he is unable to learn without the proper interventions. The teachers and aides must also be trained to use the interventions in the classrooms. It is very important to test a struggling child to see if any of these areas are impacted. Ignoring it because of numbers does not make it go away. Throwing untrained staff on it does not make it go away. It is treatable, but must be addressed early by trained professionals.
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Nope wrote:
This is, to some degree, what I was speaking of. True, no one in the school system has the credentials or real training to deal with biological issues like ADHD or ODD, etc. What is need is a team of a psychologist and a child psychiatrist--someone who can prescribe meds, if needed. HOWEVER, bringing those people into the system would not solve the problem--the assistance these children needs must come from OUTSIDE the system, otherwise, it will become corrupted. In other words, as long as the "funding" comes from the school district, the students needs will be at risk. Understand what I mean?
As one special education program director told me: Most teachers cannot identify ADHD. Etc. And, even if they can, they are not qualified to assess or treat medical issues. NOR should they be!
I believe that parents would be much more attentive to real medical professionals that come from outside the system. And, therefore, be much more willing to listen, learn and be able to identify and cope with on-going and acute problems, and also assist their children in eventually learning how to manage their own behavior. This takes a lot of learning and a lot of time.
Fact: ADHD, ODD, OCD etc. are, in fact, medical disorders. Even though ADHD, for example, is highly heritable, it is not "caused" by bad parental behavior. Ever. Or, ill-equipped, frustrated teachers.(Although these problems just make everything worse for the child.)
Progressive school systems have these professionals on contract to accept referrals. Yes, several of the problems that I mentioned are medical, but they also have a behavioral component. Phychiatrists, psychologists and behavioral therapists in progressive programs often work with parents and teachers as a team,since intervention and management of the child must be coordinated and taylored to individual needs. The best profssional interventions in the world will do no good if the parents and teachers do not utilize proper management techniques in support of the professional interventions.Medication is not a cure all.Physicians deal with the medical issues, behavioral therapists and psychologists treat the accompanying behavioral component and advise the parents and teachers. Poor management of the child does not necessarily mean bad parents and teachers. The professionals must teach the skills necessary to support their interventions. Unfortunately, many small towns do not have the needed resources.
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#29
Aug 14, 2013
 
everyone needs to look at what they are feeding these kids. with all the GMO food today people need to be aware that when you put bad food in to your body it is not going to function right.
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Aug 14, 2013
 
this may be causing some add/adhd problems in kids today as well as lowering there i.q.'s and processing speed of there brain function.
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Hmmm...it seems that this small town has a lot of "resources" to throw around at much less TRULY needed projects and programs and extras. It's not a secret, and I don't wish to make an argument of it. It is just a fact.
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<quoted text>Unfortunately, many small towns do not have the needed resources.
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Aug 15, 2013
 
Nope wrote:
Hmmm...it seems that this small town has a lot of "resources" to throw around at much less TRULY needed projects and programs and extras. It's not a secret, and I don't wish to make an argument of it. It is just a fact.
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No argument from me. Several of the small towns that I worked in did not have ready access to psychiatric, psychological and behavioral therapy services that you find in metropolitan areas and therefore did not offer the types of services special needs kids, their families and teachers needed. I can not speak to resources available in Ti. It takes financial as well as professional resources to administer good individualized services.
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Doesn't it all just come back to where money is being wasted and where it should be applied?

For example, I still can't figure out why the taxpayers are paying for the superintendent's education bill.?????
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So the parents need to spend more time educating students. Do the parents get to negotiate the next teachers raise. Do they get to decide what curriculum gets taught. Can they tell administration that if we cut their salaries 20% it will help pay for whatever psychiatric we need in the school. Never going to happen. So it's nice you drop this on the parents, this way you can enjoy your $60,000 salary with benefits and when testing does not work, say what is wrong with those darn welfare parents. Thank you for the insults. My tax dollars at work. Enjoy the rest of your summer off why we work.
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Ask the school board members.

And while you're at it, ask the teachers if they are willing for forfeit some of their salary to pay his bills. HA!!
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Doesn't it all just come back to where money is being wasted and where it should be applied?
For example, I still can't figure out why the taxpayers are paying for the superintendent's education bill.?????
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I understand that some have asked about this, to no avail.
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Ask the school board members.
And while you're at it, ask the teachers if they are willing for forfeit some of their salary to pay his bills. HA!!
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#37
Nov 21, 2013
 
What are we going to do about these embarrassingly low test scores? How badly we are failing our students!

Has the District made an official statement since the test scores were released?
Havent heard

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Nov 21, 2013
 
We haven't received anything from the school addressing this issues. Hmmm...
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Nov 21, 2013
 
We don't worry about test score, only about the kids that are 5 minutes late.(MCS)
We should worry

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Embarrassing, indeed! Still throwing good money after bad.

And, the school board is so far in over it's head.

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