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Salaries certainly are one part of the huge budget problem that we are faced with. And it is the taxpayers and the students who are standing on the frontlines. They will suffer the most. We in Essex County live in a poverty-ridden state with little chance for that to change very much in the future. We MUST stop living in Albany's fairytale world. We have no choice but to look our financial reality straight in the face, and adjust our spending accordingly. THIS INCLUDES teacher salaries and ALL benefits.

The NYS Teacher's Union (aka Cuomo) advocate for the teachers, and it is done with a lot of political clout and vey successfully!(They also have tenure, which has been and continues to be a very bad and very old destructive idea.)

Administrators are overpaid, ineffective, and at the very least non-productive "managers." Ineffective because they are typically schooled badly and they are not effective, creative or tough managers--they are not trained to be.

If you have concerns re: school administration, do yourself a favor and read the following. It is worth the time!

http://educationnext.org/lifting-the-barrier/

http://educationnext.org/out-with-the-old/
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TEACH wrote:
To ABC I know many teachers that are choosing to work in areas with high poverty. New teachers are signing up for jobs on Indian Reservations, inner city schools and other areas to educate children that are challenging. When you choose to be a teacher I would hope the goal was to educate a child first. Maybe it is you that has lost your way. I know many new grads that would gladly come to our community and teach, inspire and change lives. I hate to tell you this but I am afraid you are in the wrong profession. You should choose teaching to teach. Instead it sounds like you are looking for a spouse and great weekend entertainment. I do hope you leave and open the door for one of those teachers that wanted to teach for right reasons. Yes this area is filled with poverty. Yes you have a Wal Mart filled with individuals that live on public assistance. Yes you have to drive miles to for culture. We all see it. It sounds like you feel you are better than the children you serve. Please move on and I hope you find what you are looking for.
"Please Clarify": I meant to say unsupported. Sorry for the typo.

"Teach": I find your words to be hurtful. Please do not tell me to leave the profession that I love. I do not teach in Ticonderoga, but the reasons that led me to choose not to return home had nothing to do with trying to find a spouse, or the lack of entertainment,(but why would it be wrong for me to want friends my own age to do things with, and an outlet for entertainment on the weekend that doesn't involve going to the bar or drinking?)and my reasons especially had nothing to do with the poverty level. My school district may be better off financially than Ti, but we are by no means wealthy and we certainly have kids from families that face huge financial struggles. I decided to teach because I gained so much from the Ti school district, and I felt like it was the right things for me to use my talents to give that kind of experience to future students. I care deeply for the kids I work with, and I want them to succeed and have opportunities in the future. I wanted to return to Ti but I didn't even apply, simply because it seems like no one ever has a kind word to say about the school. I didn't want to teach in a place where much of the community would bad mouth and constantly attack me over my job and the pay that I earn (because trust me, teachers certainly earn it.) I don't think it is wrong to want to work in a place where you know that those around you (in this case both at work and in the community) support your efforts. It makes it so much easier to give up my lunch period to work with a student when I know that people appreciate and support what I am doing, something that I wasn't sure I would get in Ti. I follow your budgets because I still know a large number of people in Ti, many of whom have kids in the school. I follow them because I want all the kids from Ti to be able to get an education and have a huge range of opportunities available to them. My concern is that if we constantly bash our teachers (and let such a large number of them go) the children in the school will never be able to obtain this kind of education.
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I do not feel like I came away from Ticonderoga schools with much more than a big waste of time, with few exceptions:
*One second grade teacher
*One fifth grade teacher--that is it for elementary school
* One sixth grade English teacher; one middle school music teacher (who left after a very few years)--that is it for middle school
* Two high school English teachers (one year each; neither of them--stayed in Ticonderoga for very long)
* One high school math teacher (one year)
* One high school social studies teacher (one year)
* One foreign language teacher (three years--who stayed just a few years)
* One band teacher--that is it for high school
The music program, the extracurricular activites, and the many and various field trips were at least half of my best learning experiences. It certainly wasn't core academics. I was very lucky to have educated, talented and invovled parents and friends.
From my list, you can see that I did not receive much of a quality experience in the Ticonderoga School District. This is my experience and my opinion. My formal education truly began when I started college. And, I was fortunate to be accepted to a very good college.
I, too, am a trained teacher. I have chosen to not work in a public school but to be a private (and affordable) tutor instead. I also volunteer at a private school and work as a respite provider. I'm not compensated as I would if I worked in a public school and I certainly don't have the extra benefits, e.g., pension at 80% or medical benefits, but my reward is sharing real learning, progress and enjoyment with my students.
In case you're wondering why I chose not to teacher in a public school, I have two reasons: An excellent, seasoned Crown Point school teacher (now retired) talked me away from taking that path. And, perhaps more importantly, I did some substitute teaching for a time, and I saw how teachers and staff and administrators "bash" each other and bully students. It was a disgusting experience that I try not to remember.
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I follow them because I want all the kids from Ti to be able to get an education and have a huge range of opportunities available to them. My concern is that if we constantly bash our teachers (and let such a large number of them go) the children in the school will never be able to obtain this kind of education.
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#107
Apr 27, 2013
 
Budget Adoption results from 4/25.

Budget:$18,608,671

-Restructuring Modified program to Intramurals
-Reduced Extracurricular offerings
-15 Positions reduced over various departments

So what does this mean? Well first no more modified sports. They will try to run an intramural program which is only going to hurt your sports programs over the long run. Why not cut J.V. sports instead? It saves more money, you can still over sports to grades 7-12 with having varsity and modified, plus other schools are cutting their JV programs. Who will be left for our JV teams to play?(nobody).

Reduced extra-curricular offering, yet this hasn't been completely determined.

Lastly 15 positions reduced over various departments. Again this hasn't been completely determined. Shouldn't the list be finalized already so we can know where the reductions will be and in what areas? For example do we need 4 music teachers for 3 buildings? Do we really need a dozen TA's? 2 full time secretaries in each buildings office? An administrative assistant in the High School office?
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#108
Apr 27, 2013
 
Here is the proposed budget adopted on 4/25.

Budget Amount $18,608,671

-Restructuring Modified program to Intramurals
-Reduced Extracurricular offerings
-15 Positions reduced over various departments

Thoughts:

Why are modified sports being cut when JV sports at other schools are being cut or they aren't fielding teams (soccer, basketball, baseball/softball)? There will be hardly any schools left for our JV teams to play. JV sports also cost more money, so the district could save more money by cutting JV. Plus having both Modified and Varsity would allow you to keep offering students in grades 7-12 sports. This will help keep your sports programs balanced and competitive. Kids DO NOT want to play intramurals. There are many issues with that idea. The board needs to cut JV instead of Modified if we are going to cut sports.

Reduced extra curricular activities? Where and which ones? How expensive really are they to run?

15 positions over various departments. Where is the list of what is being cut? Do we really need 4 music teachers for 3 buildings. Other schools of similar size have 2 or 3 teachers only in this department. Do we really need the dozen or so aides and assistants? Do we really need 2 full time secretaries in each of the offices? Do we need the vice principal or whatever he is in the High School office?
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Teachers have a 180 day contract. Based on them working a 7 hour day - which I'm not sure any do. and at a salary without benefits included of $50,000/year that person is getting approx. $40./hour. At $80,000./year that is approx. $64./hour. Underpaid-I think not.
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Apr 27, 2013
 
Info-411 wrote:
Here is the proposed budget adopted on 4/25.
Budget Amount $18,608,671
-Restructuring Modified program to Intramurals
-Reduced Extracurricular offerings
-15 Positions reduced over various departments
Thoughts:
Why are modified sports being cut when JV sports at other schools are being cut or they aren't fielding teams (soccer, basketball, baseball/softball)? There will be hardly any schools left for our JV teams to play. JV sports also cost more money, so the district could save more money by cutting JV. Plus having both Modified and Varsity would allow you to keep offering students in grades 7-12 sports. This will help keep your sports programs balanced and competitive. Kids DO NOT want to play intramurals. There are many issues with that idea. The board needs to cut JV instead of Modified if we are going to cut sports.
Reduced extra curricular activities? Where and which ones? How expensive really are they to run?
15 positions over various departments. Where is the list of what is being cut? Do we really need 4 music teachers for 3 buildings. Other schools of similar size have 2 or 3 teachers only in this department. Do we really need the dozen or so aides and assistants? Do we really need 2 full time secretaries in each of the offices? Do we need the vice principal or whatever he is in the High School office?
Why cut positions-- when salary reductions across the board will solve that issue? You're talking about cutting valuable positions vs trimming the fat off the dead meat that need to retire -- and there are many of them!! Again-- start at the top paid positions and exponentially adjust salaries. The more you make the more the cut. Teachers should not be making more that 30 or 40K at BEST!
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If everyone has a solution why didn't anyone stand up at the meeting Thursday and explain how to do it? I'm so sick of low life's posting how they should do this or do that but never stand up and offer to help. You can't balance your checking account but you can figure out how to balance the school budget. Run for a seat. Three members are up for reelection with one person running that's new, out if 96 posts on thus forum and everyone being able to do such a better job that number should be much higher than ONE!!!!! You state in on post all board members should be replaced here is your chance to replace three go for it, until then stop bitching about the job they are doing.
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If positions can be cut, then why were these positions created in the first place? If we can do without additional aides and secretaries/assistants now, then why have the taxpayers been paying for them all along?

We all realize that there is plenty of dead wood. So, it is just a matter of getting rid of the dead wood, AND making sure that we don't end up with teachers that are here based on their last name, their marriage (i.e., who they married), the mere fact that their parent(s) were teachers, etc. Or, teachers with lacking credentials, e.g. online "colleges." And the big issue, when teachers are hired, there needs to be transparency for the taxpayer, every hire. For example:

I.e., When each teaching position is open, post final candidates, their resumes, including education, teaching history, transcript of Q&A of all interviews on the Ti School District webpage in a timely fashion.(This should include results of background checks.) Salary and benefit offers to each candidate. Etc. Everything. Then, let the parents/taxpayers give input--TRUE enfranchisement! Why not?
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Why cut positions-- when salary reductions across the board will solve that issue? You're talking about cutting valuable positions vs trimming the fat off the dead meat that need to retire -- and there are many of them!! Again-- start at the top paid positions and exponentially adjust salaries. The more you make the more the cut. Teachers should not be making more that 30 or 40K at BEST!
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Why are paying for Mr. mcDonalds educational costs? It would have been a big savings to have hired a qualified person from the start. Bill Brennen again spoils the school system. What a shame when we the people are hand picked dependent on pedigree, that has run dry! Again missing out on qualified and cheaper leaders. Check put the minutes for last month, paying for McDonalds schooling exepenses,why!
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New merger study (public information) states TCS can absorb CPCS 6-12 students even without adding CP staff and still not be an issue. Overstaffed! I think so!
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I know Crown Point has a reputation for being hillbilly hell, but I would think there would be some people who would care more about themselves than to even think about merging with Ti, which has a reputation for being dysfunction hell, drunk hell, pill snorting hell, teen prostitution hell, on and on.

Listen up, Crown Point! Stop talking about a merger; don't even talk about it. Before you are very sorry!!!
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New merger study (public information) states TCS can absorb CPCS 6-12 students even without adding CP staff and still not be an issue. Overstaffed! I think so!
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You must be kidding-- McDonald has not YET received his degree? Chances are this won't ever happen. I mean a doctorate in education-- is not rocket science-- its actually the easiest terminal degree to obtain. Enough is enough people. I think we should send the tuition bill to Brennan and let him pay for his "boy". After-all-- Brennan is the one that created the good ole boy club in Ti school.

What a waste! There is NO need to cut positions-- CUT the salaries and benefits and stop the nonsense. If the people we pay to come up with ideas cannot do it-- they should be fired immediately.
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We do in fact, pay Mr. M's bill. Remember, last year or the year before, he was second choice for a position in a different school system. Nice of us to continue to foot the bill while he looks elsewhere, isn't it? Keep in mind...the BOARD approves this. Maybe another example of needing new blood on our board.
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You must be kidding-- McDonald has not YET received his degree? Chances are this won't ever happen. I mean a doctorate in education-- is not rocket science-- its actually the easiest terminal degree to obtain. Enough is enough people. I think we should send the tuition bill to Brennan and let him pay for his "boy". After-all-- Brennan is the one that created the good ole boy club in Ti school.
What a waste! There is NO need to cut positions-- CUT the salaries and benefits and stop the nonsense. If the people we pay to come up with ideas cannot do it-- they should be fired immediately.
Wow! You are one angry person. You must be lacking somewhere in your life. What did you get your doctorate in? I am just wondering, as you appear to know.
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Really Crown Point wrote:
I know Crown Point has a reputation for being hillbilly hell, but I would think there would be some people who would care more about themselves than to even think about merging with Ti, which has a reputation for being dysfunction hell, drunk hell, pill snorting hell, teen prostitution hell, on and on.
Listen up, Crown Point! Stop talking about a merger; don't even talk about it. Before you are very sorry!!!
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Fifty years ago, people made a choice to raise their family in the Adirondack Park, a big ol' campground. What can you expect? There is no difference between Crown Point, Ti, Moriah, or anywhere else in Essex and Hamilton counties, as well as portions of Clinton, Franklin, Fulton, Herkimer, St. Lawrence, Warren counties and small back road areas of Lewis, Oneida, Saratoga, and Washington counties.

Same thing with the Catskills, hillbillies and crackers.

Wake up already you dumb hics!
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What does this sentence mean exactly? "Appear to know" about what?
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I am just wondering, as you appear to know.
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New merger study (public information) states TCS can absorb CPCS 6-12 students even without adding CP staff and still not be an issue. Overstaffed! I think so!
I think teachers will be merged then staff cuts will be made based on seniority. I think Ti may lose more teachers than Crown Point. Crown Point teachers will automatically be hired I believe. This is a tough situation, my heart goes out to all the staff and students that will have their lives turned upside down.
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Wow _ other wrote:
What does this sentence mean exactly? "Appear to know" about what?
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Not sure what you mean.
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WHY exactly are the taxpayers paying for McDonald's college costs?

And, then it makes us wonder if they are paying for the college costs of other staff or faculty!???

Anyone know?
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Why are paying for Mr. mcDonalds educational costs? It would have been a big savings to have hired a qualified person from the start. Bill Brennen again spoils the school system. What a shame when we the people are hand picked dependent on pedigree, that has run dry! Again missing out on qualified and cheaper leaders. Check put the minutes for last month, paying for McDonalds schooling exepenses,why!

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