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Just saw an article online for the 'Press Republican' and sad to see the Sports programs will be cut, let alone some jobs...

They just had to have that 'new addition'!!!!
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Apr 14, 2013
 
I'm disgusted that my children will are at risk of loosing sports. Its important for kids to have athletics it teaches them many important things. There are so many more places where the fat can get trimmed. Start with rethinking the benefits package the same as the town had to do. If we take away sports that is one less thing to keep our kids off the street and out of trouble.
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Apr 14, 2013
 
Yes...our children need these programs to keep them busy and focused...there must be some other places that they could cut? Not that they don't deserve it but what do the super intendent and the higher ups make compared? Maybe they may be willing to take a cut for the children...there has to be something, our community also counts on the jobs they plan on cutting...it's awful...we all need to go to the meetings with ideas.. what about turning off some lights at night when we don't need them, it's a start?
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Why, after so many generations, did the district need a lighted football field? Why does the subject of a swimming pool get brought up every now and then?(And, thankfully, always voted down.) Why are aides "helping" children who have no special ed. issues?(They are!) Why do I know so many people who work in the real world who have NOT gotten a raise in 3, 4, 5 and 6 years? Why are *some* government agencies not hiring when someone quits, is fired or retires (to save money)?

WHY is this so hard for this school board? It it administrative costs? The teacher's union? Tenure? What do you think?
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Ticonderoga, NY

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Yes but the teachers will get a raise and be brought up to the pay scale of 2013/14. I am sorry but this shows the tax payer what is important here, teachers salaries. This makes me sick, Does anyone know the actual number of the raise? If it's 2.8 % this year and back raises also, we must be looking at 2 years of raises. Can anyone clarify? According to the paper it brings them back to pay scale. So sad for students of Ti to lose sports. So we have a beautiful new gym without anyone to play in it!
I am sorry Mr. mcDonald but you have failed this community. I remember you pushing the upgrades that we did not need. I would hope the board asks for your resignation!
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Cutting sports is a option their are three other options as well. The board is showing you what they have to work with. The increase will be 2% with the three stated options not 19% as on thread on here states. I encourage everyone to attend a meeting and get the facts. Teachers have been giving back raises for years even as cost if living and minimum wage rises, can you honestly say you would forgo your raises with the bills you have, I know I couldn't afford to, think about that as you criticize what teachers make!!!!!!
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Many of the other local schools cut the junior varsity programs to help with the budget issues.Also most of the other schools locally offer far less sports programs than Ticonderoga.It is important to have sports available for some students but it is time to put their academic education first as a priority.
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Apr 15, 2013
 
For me I know sports kept me in school. I got good grades and behaved in school because if I didn't I couldn't play. I loved being part f a sports team. Partly because you were with your friends and mostly the competition was a great feeling. Fortunately for me high school sports got me to college. It sucks but if I had to make the decision bowling, golf and track would be gone as well as the "teachers aid" positions. You can "trim the fat" without hurting the kids a whole lot. After all that is what school is for right? The kids?
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Apr 15, 2013
 
Unfortunately, team sports programs are not mandated by state or federal laws or regulations.

Under the current NYS (under)funding model, they are history in many small school districts like ours.

If not this year, then next. Music and arts are in the crosshairs, too.

Don't forget to send the Governor and Legislature a card of thanks for their (lack of) financial support as we spiral toward ruin.
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We ALL have to live within our means: Teachers pay is based on what the community can afford. Period. This community cannot afford any more raises in this economy.(Or, given that they have been overpaid for years and years, in ANY economy.)

Folks: Let's NOT focus on sports. STICK TO YOUR GUNS! NO MORE RAISES FOR TEACHERS. And, if they want to "bargain" with something, look VERY closely at which aides are there for their *convenience* and which ones are their specifically for spec. ed. students--and NO CROSSOVER! LOOK VERY CLOSELY TAXPAYERS.

Be TOUGH NEGOTIATORS!!(Don't assume the school board is your "friend." Don't!)
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Many of the other local schools cut the junior varsity programs to help with the budget issues.Also most of the other schools locally offer far less sports programs than Ticonderoga.It is important to have sports available for some students but it is time to put their academic education first as a priority.
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I completely agree with not assuming that the school board is competent or is in the corner of the tax payer. The teachers have their union *and* tenure, who does the taxpayer have? Hmmm...

I'm not sure why this information is not on a district website, but I would like to know

1) The size of the student body by year. This year, next year, Five years ago, Ten years ago, 20 years ago. Are our classes getting smaller? Or larger?
2) Before it gets brought up, I'll bring it up. How many special ed. students are being served, again by year, present and past. And, what are the costs per student. All itemized.

3) How many dropouts does this district have per year, present and past.

4) What are the itemized costs of maintaining all sports fields and sports equipment. Do we pay coaches? Who? And how much?

5) What money is spent on aides? All aides, including those specifically hired for special education services?

6) What money is spent on educational extracurricular activities for the students? Again, all itemized.(A trip to a theme park is not educational.)

Etc. etc. And again, why is this information not readily available on the district website? This is 2013!
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I completely agree with not assuming that the school board is competent or is in the corner of the tax payer. The teachers have their union *and* tenure, who does the taxpayer have? Hmmm...
I'm not sure why this information is not on a district website, but I would like to know
1) The size of the student body by year. This year, next year, Five years ago, Ten years ago, 20 years ago. Are our classes getting smaller? Or larger?
2) Before it gets brought up, I'll bring it up. How many special ed. students are being served, again by year, present and past. And, what are the costs per student. All itemized.
3) How many dropouts does this district have per year, present and past.
4) What are the itemized costs of maintaining all sports fields and sports equipment. Do we pay coaches? Who? And how much?
5) What money is spent on aides? All aides, including those specifically hired for special education services?
6) What money is spent on educational extracurricular activities for the students? Again, all itemized.(A trip to a theme park is not educational.)
Etc. etc. And again, why is this information not readily available on the district website? This is 2013!
Those are good questions. Go to a board meeting and ask them. This site will only feed the flame.
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This story reminds me of the little town in California where the officials were making hundreds of thousands of dollars in a small town with the majority of the community lived in poverty. This story made the front page for a reason. I hope this article lands on the desk of Gov. Cuomo. Something stinks here and it cannot sustain itself. Pretty soon they will tell you that they cannot afford to run the school only keep the administration. How can you give 3 years of raises and cut programs. I hope the parents of this community picket in the streets. Set a date and time and I will join you.
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average aide salary =$13,000....new score board in gym cost more than that!!!!
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For God's sake! The "flames" need to be fed. Like a long, long time ago.

And, have you ever been to a board meeting? If you have, then you know what a utter waste of time it is. You will not get your questions answered, but you will get targeted. Guaranteed.
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Those are good questions. Go to a board meeting and ask them. This site will only feed the flame.
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Both unnecessary, unless the aide is required by law.

Do you buy a new this or that when you do not have the money and/or cannot pay the bill? Well, neither can the taxpayers. Sorry, that's life in the intelligent, responsible, adult world. It just is.
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average aide salary =$13,000....new score board in gym cost more than that!!!!
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Teachers have forfeited raises for three years your information is incorrect.
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Sad 1 wrote:
Just saw an article online for the 'Press Republican' and sad to see the Sports programs will be cut, let alone some jobs...
They just had to have that 'new addition'!!!!
Don't you know that's just a ploy. Everytime there's a budget problem the first thing they talk about is cutting sports because they know parents will pay the extra taxes to keep them. They should think about cutting some of the excess "fat".
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I am hearing double digit raises and no one has refuted it yet! Anyone know!
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For me I know sports kept me in school. I got good grades and behaved in school because if I didn't I couldn't play. I loved being part f a sports team. Partly because you were with your friends and mostly the competition was a great feeling. Fortunately for me high school sports got me to college. It sucks but if I had to make the decision bowling, golf and track would be gone as well as the "teachers aid" positions. You can "trim the fat" without hurting the kids a whole lot. After all that is what school is for right? The kids?
Track really? The track team can serve so many more kids at a much cheaper cost than most sports (i.e. football) All the kids need is a uniform (which the school already owns) and equipment that the school already has and that lasts for a long time (unlike basketballs/football pads, etc.) In fact I think you will find it is likely the largest team at the school and it is the only one I know of that has a national caliber athlete. Cutting track, bowling, and golf will not save much money on the grand scheme of things as they are cheap sports for the school and they can serve an almost unlimited number of students without adding a huge amount to the cost.
As far as teacher's raises go, I don't think that is set in stone. Attend the meetings, get some facts and see what actually ends up in the final budget. There is no point in getting up in arms about something that may not actually happen.

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