UAW favors tentative deal at 3 Americ...

UAW favors tentative deal at 3 American Axle plants, including ...

There are 22 comments on the WOOD-TV Grand Rapids and Michigan story from May 20, 2008, titled UAW favors tentative deal at 3 American Axle plants, including .... In it, WOOD-TV Grand Rapids and Michigan reports that:

Striking United Auto Workers members at three American Axle and Manufacturing Holdings Inc.

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fastedrose

Loveland, CO

#1 May 21, 2008
Endorse rhymes with divorce, what on earth are you asking these hard working employees to do? I know you slam them all the time because they work for a corporation, and then the posts scream at them that they are stupid not deserving anything, die, let your kids starve, send your jobs to India, or China , or Mexico, or Columbia University, or Venezuela, or Alaska, or Iraq, or IRAN, WHATEVER. Whatever did you do to become the CEO that sends these jobs offshore? Did your financial advisor suggest this course of action?
Realist

Denver, CO

#2 May 21, 2008
The economy is in the tank and Corporate America is taking advantage of it with threats of closing/relocating manufacturing facilities. Upper echelon Management are still raking in the millions in salary/bonuses/stock options, companies are still profitable, but they cry poor when it comes time to spread the wealth to the worker that has make the money for them. Regardless of ones party affiliation in politics, there are some things that are basically wrong, both morally and ethically. I feel the pain of the worker that has to swallow the bitter pill of decreased pay and benefits. Not many people can readjust their lifestyle from one day to the next with 25-50% less income starting with their next paycheck, no matter how much or how little they make today. Unionism was borne out of similar circumstances some 80 years ago, but in today's society a Union worker is looked down upon even though their negotiations over the years have brought up the standard of living for all Americans, not just for themselves. If this trend is happening at the bargaining table today, you can bet the "trickle down" effect will be felt across the board for all workers, Union and non-Union. So for those of you laughing at these workers for suffering through this strike and winding up with less on their platter in the end, YOU WILL BE NEXT, as history has proven.
UNION SUPPORTER

United States

#3 May 21, 2008
Realist wrote:
The economy is in the tank and Corporate America is taking advantage of it with threats of closing/relocating manufacturing facilities. Upper echelon Management are still raking in the millions in salary/bonuses/stock options, companies are still profitable, but they cry poor when it comes time to spread the wealth to the worker that has make the money for them. Regardless of ones party affiliation in politics, there are some things that are basically wrong, both morally and ethically. I feel the pain of the worker that has to swallow the bitter pill of decreased pay and benefits. Not many people can readjust their lifestyle from one day to the next with 25-50% less income starting with their next paycheck, no matter how much or how little they make today. Unionism was borne out of similar circumstances some 80 years ago, but in today's society a Union worker is looked down upon even though their negotiations over the years have brought up the standard of living for all Americans, not just for themselves. If this trend is happening at the bargaining table today, you can bet the "trickle down" effect will be felt across the board for all workers, Union and non-Union. So for those of you laughing at these workers for suffering through this strike and winding up with less on their platter in the end, YOU WILL BE NEXT, as history has proven.
You are so right.
Seenitbefore

Three Rivers, MI

#4 May 21, 2008
Realist wrote:
The economy is in the tank and Corporate America is taking advantage of it with threats of closing/relocating manufacturing facilities. Upper echelon Management are still raking in the millions in salary/bonuses/stock options, companies are still profitable, but they cry poor when it comes time to spread the wealth to the worker that has make the money for them. Regardless of ones party affiliation in politics, there are some things that are basically wrong, both morally and ethically. I feel the pain of the worker that has to swallow the bitter pill of decreased pay and benefits. Not many people can readjust their lifestyle from one day to the next with 25-50% less income starting with their next paycheck, no matter how much or how little they make today. Unionism was borne out of similar circumstances some 80 years ago, but in today's society a Union worker is looked down upon even though their negotiations over the years have brought up the standard of living for all Americans, not just for themselves. If this trend is happening at the bargaining table today, you can bet the "trickle down" effect will be felt across the board for all workers, Union and non-Union. So for those of you laughing at these workers for suffering through this strike and winding up with less on their platter in the end, YOU WILL BE NEXT, as history has proven.
"YOU WILL BE NEXT"
And THAT is what they do not get.
"There is a class war going on and our side is winning" - Warren Buffet
hfo5

AOL

#5 May 21, 2008
The union isn't anything like they were 30 years ago. They used to actually stick up for the workers and fight for them, they cared. Instead they scared the workers into voting yes because they threatened the close the plant. Between the greedy CEO, even greedier CEO's kid, and the lazy union...the workers got sold down the river. Well, watch out America...the rest of corporate America is watching and will be following suit soon. If a union company can get wages cut in half...I'm sure the non-union companies won't be far behind.
Seenitbefore

Three Rivers, MI

#7 May 21, 2008
hfo5 wrote:
The union isn't anything like they were 30 years ago. They used to actually stick up for the workers and fight for them, they cared. Instead they scared the workers into voting yes because they threatened the close the plant. Between the greedy CEO, even greedier CEO's kid, and the lazy union...the workers got sold down the river. Well, watch out America...the rest of corporate America is watching and will be following suit soon. If a union company can get wages cut in half...I'm sure the non-union companies won't be far behind.
It's the simple "law" of supply and demand. When people can not afford to buy products because their wages and benefits have been cut they can't afford to buy and they have to pay for the benefits they lost. So they spend less. To stay in business companies have to cut their costs so they lower the wages and benefits of THEIR employees.

Everybody can now watch (the damaging side of) trickle down in action now.
CHIP

United States

#8 May 21, 2008
Go Unions!
CHIP

United States

#9 May 21, 2008
fight for your rights
JIMMYK

Colorado Springs, CO

#10 May 21, 2008
hfo5 wrote:
The union isn't anything like they were 30 years ago. They used to actually stick up for the workers and fight for them, they cared. Instead they scared the workers into voting yes because they threatened the close the plant. Between the greedy CEO, even greedier CEO's kid, and the lazy union...the workers got sold down the river. Well, watch out America...the rest of corporate America is watching and will be following suit soon. If a union company can get wages cut in half...I'm sure the non-union companies won't be far behind.
That is where you are wrong. Non-union companies could of cut wages to their employees at any time in the past. They were never bound by any regulations other than minimum wage. you see if non-union cut wages the workers can leave and go to another company and make the same money. so cutting wages would do nothing for the company other then loose them employees they could not replace. Name one Non union manufacturing company that has cut blue collar wages in half in the last 30 years?? We are in rough economic times right now so starting wages in unskilled labor will be lower due to the surplus of available workers. As the unemployment goes down in the future the reduction of available employees with start to move wages up. Pretty simple really. The union problem comes in because wages were pushed way above the market median income. I hope you understand that forcing wages above the median income is one of the causes of inflation. One final thought why do you always point the finger and call the CEO greedy. It is not his responsibility to make the blue collar worker rich. When you take a job the requires no formal training and you have no risk involved you do not deserve CEO wages. Some people tend to forget that it takes a lot of risk and investment to get company going and I am sure if you owned a company you would be singing a different tune. I hear you all talking get together pool your 401k money together and go for it start a business put everything on the line risk your future and everything you have. Let me know when you get that done and I am sure you will be hiring union workers at $28/hour.
JIMMYK

Colorado Springs, CO

#11 May 21, 2008
bye-bye wrote:
I wonder how long it will be before the union bashing a$$hoIes show up and spew their BS.
Sorry I am late, I was out of town on business. You know selling your american made products to foreign countries. I have to ask is that is acceptable since unions do not want any foreign companies in country. Just checking
JIMMYK

Colorado Springs, CO

#12 May 21, 2008
CHIP wrote:
fight for your rights
Good news, I got a new job today paying $30/hour plus benefits to start. I am going to be a doctor it comes with one month on the job training no education required. should be performing operations by next year anyone want to sign up.
Seenitbefore

Three Rivers, MI

#13 May 21, 2008
JIMMYK wrote:
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That is where you are wrong. Non-union companies could of cut wages to their employees at any time in the past. They were never bound by any regulations other than minimum wage. you see if non-union cut wages the workers can leave and go to another company and make the same money. so cutting wages would do nothing for the company other then loose them employees they could not replace. Name one Non union manufacturing company that has cut blue collar wages in half in the last 30 years?? We are in rough economic times right now so starting wages in unskilled labor will be lower due to the surplus of available workers. As the unemployment goes down in the future the reduction of available employees with start to move wages up. Pretty simple really. The union problem comes in because wages were pushed way above the market median income. I hope you understand that forcing wages above the median income is one of the causes of inflation. One final thought why do you always point the finger and call the CEO greedy. It is not his responsibility to make the blue collar worker rich. When you take a job the requires no formal training and you have no risk involved you do not deserve CEO wages. Some people tend to forget that it takes a lot of risk and investment to get company going and I am sure if you owned a company you would be singing a different tune. I hear you all talking get together pool your 401k money together and go for it start a business put everything on the line risk your future and everything you have. Let me know when you get that done and I am sure you will be hiring union workers at $28/hour.
"I hear you all talking get together pool your 401k money together and go for it start a business put everything on the line risk your future and everything you have. Let me know when you get that done and I am sure you will be hiring union workers at $28/hour."

You're comparing apples to pineapples there JMMYK. When was the last time GM, FORD, Chrysler, American Axle, Delphi, etc. were "mom & pop businesses? Ever been to River Rouge? These are mega corporations. Therefore all this gibber about "wages were pushed way above the market median income" is ludicrous. We're not discussing single owner manufacturing concerns here. They don't even have a place in discussion of median profits. And NOT ONE of those CEOs has invested their own money into building those companies.

You tell me of any CEO of a small manufacturing company, even one that supplies the "big three" with the parts they need for the cars that does much less wouldn't LOVE to come close to the incomes of the CEOs of the "big three" corps.

When there is a "median income" between the CEOs of the "big three" and the much smaller companies that supply the parts for the "big three" then we can rationally have that discussion. And no Johnson Controls can't be included.
fastedrose

Loveland, CO

#14 May 23, 2008
we just kinda pee on the newbee that have never spent a year of their life in a foundry and watch someones foot burn off, liquid rivers of fire, I think concrete is poured into the mold non Kevlar.

Mt dog has to scatter skat each day, usually.
fastedrose

Loveland, CO

#15 May 23, 2008
I am really sick and tired of your invitations sent to everyone, every ceo to comment here. If all of these CEO's take U up, We will never text again, gasoline $15.00, if your CEO says it<s ok of course. We never5 meant to offend the CEO. Please Please Ceo CEO, We will save the Polar Bears, Or Kualas, or maybe even Tazmanian Devils. Just don't fireus
bye-bye

Utica, MI

#16 May 29, 2008
JIMMYK wrote:
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Sorry I am late, I was out of town on business. You know selling your american made products to foreign countries. I have to ask is that is acceptable since unions do not want any foreign companies in country. Just checking
At least you admit you're an a$$h0Ie. Admitting there's a problem is the first step to recovery.
Chip

Colorado Springs, CO

#17 May 29, 2008
CHIP wrote:
fight for your rights
Thats really mature, at least if you are going to use my post ID, get it right, do you see capital letters? Unions are scum
Lucky

Nederland, TX

#18 May 31, 2008
JIMMYK, you truly are ignorant and arrogant. I forgive you, though. You ARE in G.R. and obviously brainwashed by the DeVos clan. Go Amway!!!

Union All The Way

“So what!!”

Since: Apr 08

Lakeview, Mi.

#19 May 31, 2008
Lucky wrote:
JIMMYK, you truly are ignorant and arrogant. I forgive you, though. You ARE in G.R. and obviously brainwashed by the DeVos clan. Go Amway!!!
Add dumbo Chipto your list too.
fastedrose

Loveland, CO

#20 Jun 3, 2008
excellent key word,: will Use world keyword chiptodumbo;

Union All The Way

“So what!!”

Since: Apr 08

Lakeview, Mi.

#22 Jun 3, 2008
bunny hunter wrote:
There is no place for a union in todays society-all it does is promote laziness. Almost as hard to get fired from a union as it is for a teacher with tenure to get fired-RIDICULOUS!! The rest of the working sector has had to take pay cuts-added insurance cost- fewer hours-yet the union employs for some reason think the rest of us should be ok with it. Wake up-You no better then the rest of us. Why should janitors in unions be making $28 hr plus? The biggest reason most union employees get so upset over people bashing the union and trying to do away with it is because they couldn't cut it any where else after 20 years of stupidity and laziness
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