CA Proposition 23 - Global Warming

CA Proposition 23 - Global Warming

Created by CitizenTopix on Oct 12, 2010

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SpamOlater

San Dimas, CA

#4693 Mar 6, 2012
BuckerOfire, weren't you told to keep yourself in a closet for a year?
republican nightmare

Anderson, CA

#4694 Mar 6, 2012
Anamouse wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually NO, the spent fuel rods are not the problem you seem to think they are, and I've toured San Onofre and had classes on the subject.
Saying their hot forever after you use them ignores one very important fact, the fuel is hot right now, even before we dig it up and put it in reactors. It actually is about as hot 100 years after it's used, as it was just before it was used, and cools down after that.
If we can store the stuff now, as hot as it is now, or leave it in the ground now, we certainly can later on, for at least 100 years when it's real hot. The real problem is not that it's real dangerous, cause it isn't, it's the Not In My Backyard, problem.
On the other hand using fossil fuel to produce the same energy, emits billions of tons of CO2, and carcinogens. How many millions of people will die that way?
Economically viable solar panels and batteries that are used today are not being improved by leaps and bounds, and making billions of them with today's technology in China, does nothing to advance the science.
Solar power is practically the most expensive way to produce power right now, and requires so much space, and so many resources, that it's questionable if it really is environmentally friendly, especially since lots of the equipment is made in China.
the one problem with your arguement??

about it being safely stored in the ground??

the urainium in the rods is ENRICHED.

the stuff in the ground ISNT.

tons of nookular waste sits at the plants where it was used, or at storage sites that need protection both physically and personal wise. the uranium comes from NORTHERN SASKATCEWAN.(SP)

THE NUKULAR WASTE MUST BE RETURNED THERE??

i WOULD LOVE IT TOO, BUT CANANDA MIGHT HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY ABOUT IT.

yucca mt was built, but now it looks like they wont open it.

too bad, but it would still need to be cleaned up someday...

you republicans dont think long term enough..

WE on the left, plan eons ahead!! and you hate it because your fixed on the next quarter like most repubs.

I used the NIMBY test for anyone who is PRO-NOOKULAR

IF you dont want it in YOUR backyard, then youve no right to put it in SOMEONE ELSES back yard,

and when you analyse that statement, you see how very republican in nature it is.
Reality Check

Daly City, CA

#4695 Mar 6, 2012
SpamOlater wrote:
Just accept the science facts and stop spitting inthe wind and trying to turn back the clock.
Which 'facts'?
What does turning back the clock have to do with anything?
republican nightmare

Anderson, CA

#4696 Mar 6, 2012
RiccardoFire wrote:
<quoted text>So were u equally upset at Bill Maher?
Maher thinks about it plenty. That is why he came up with the " the rules are different for me because I am on HBO" excuse. He thinks deeply and long about this trying to find a way around responsibility for himself.
The best way to tag Maher here is to use is "fairness" and "equality" statements. His "rules for thee but not for me" attitude is the exact opposite of equality - indeed it is inequality defined. Also by definition, inequality is "unfair".
The progressive left is guilty of projection on this point regarding everything from taxation to speech. Pure projection. It is the progressive left that pushes different sets of rules for some than for others. Progressives have inequality as the centerpiece of their politics -
and it is time to call them on it - every time they do it.
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
EQUAL PROTECTION OF THE LAWS, Mr. Maher.
It's trolls like the covina idiot that will justify one person over the other that can bash a person. Maher is the poster boy for Obama. That's what his $1 million bought him
Bill maher doesnt weield the power over politicians that rush limbaugh does.....

just look at how powerful rush is....he has REALLY really helped Obama with the female vote.

and he has every commentator in the nation talking about him for hours a day!!......I d say thats power. bill maher HAS never and WILL never been poular enough(compared to Rush)to cause such a stir.
I dont agree with all of bills humor, but he sure rips you dorks a new one every friday night(not daily like rush)

and you simply dont have an enetertainer of bills caliber on the right......the right hates hollywood, just like A.hitler did, because of their political lampooning.

Ps; you obviously dont actually watch bill maher, because if you did, youd know he gives it out to the dems as well.

but they arnt as FUNNY as the New New republicans are.

the new new republicans in their social issues campaign, has given bill years worth of material.

bill owes much of his salery to folks like palin, rush and santorum. without them, there wouldn't be nearly as much good material to lampoon out there.
SpamOlater

San Dimas, CA

#4697 Mar 6, 2012
Since the U.S.A. has millions of bottles of natural gas, we don't have to pipe it in from the REPUBLICAN/TEA PARTY NATION MEMBER'S ANYMORE!
Anamouse

El Segundo, CA

#4698 Mar 6, 2012
republican nightmare wrote:
<quoted text>
the one problem with your arguement??
about it being safely stored in the ground??
the urainium in the rods is ENRICHED.
the stuff in the ground ISNT.
tons of nookular waste sits at the plants where it was used, or at storage sites that need protection both physically and personal wise. the uranium comes from NORTHERN SASKATCEWAN.(SP)
THE NUKULAR WASTE MUST BE RETURNED THERE??
i WOULD LOVE IT TOO, BUT CANANDA MIGHT HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY ABOUT IT.
yucca mt was built, but now it looks like they wont open it.
too bad, but it would still need to be cleaned up someday...
you republicans dont think long term enough..
WE on the left, plan eons ahead!! and you hate it because your fixed on the next quarter like most repubs.
I used the NIMBY test for anyone who is PRO-NOOKULAR
IF you dont want it in YOUR backyard, then youve no right to put it in SOMEONE ELSES back yard,
and when you analyse that statement, you see how very republican in nature it is.
Another misconception, the stuff that we haven't taken out of the ground might not be enriched yet, but it's still quite dangerous if you're exposed to it, just look up Radon gas.

So about 100 years after enriched uranium is used in a reactor, it's about as dangerous as all the uranium that's in the ground today, and releasing radioactivity and radon gas.

Even the enriched pellets aren't real dangerous if their handled properly. I've seen them, the ones in our local reactors are small, and only really dangerous if you had a long exposure like if they were right under your house and you were sleeping there every night, or if you get enough close together and start a critical mass reaction.

I think you would benefit from a course on nuclear physics. Don't believe all the hype.

When everyone talks about radioactive forever, just remember that if that wasn't kind of true, the stuff that we dig up wouldn't still be radioactive enough to use. Yes, it's still radioactive after millions of years, but that doesn't mean it's a threat we can't deal with.

On the other hand their is no way to make a fossil fuel power plant that's clean and doesn't kill people via things like cancer.

Next time someone tells you how bad nuclear is, just point out how many people die of cancer from fossil fuel power plants.

Nuclear certainly has it's problems too, but if it's done right, like Generation 3 reactors, at least you can say it doesn't kill anyone.

If you don't know, Generation 3 is the safest design, safer than what we use now. What we use now depends on mechanical safeties working to shut down the reactor if something goes wrong.

Gen 3 reactors are much larger, and built on the principal that the core is so big that it can't produce enough energy in a small place to melt it's self down.

Even if all the safeties fail, all it can do is get very hot, even if all the water is gone, still all it can do is get very hot. It's a little like comparing an acetylene and oxygen torch to a propane and air one. Acetylene and Oxygen can burn though steel, but propane can't regardless of what you do with it.

If they had gen 3 in Japan, nothing would have melted down.
SpamOlater

San Dimas, CA

#4699 Mar 6, 2012
It's like a great ground hog day, don't you think?

Since: Aug 07

SFV

#4700 Mar 6, 2012
There are days here in Los Angeles that I can see snow capped mountains. I hate that. I like the ocean not mountains. I am against not clean air but transparent air. I don't trust air I can't see. I am for whatever proposition it is that causes breathing problems like emphysema and asthma to the young and elderly because I'm middle aged and CA is over populated as is. Bigger trucks and bigger factories I say. We need the jobs that pay just enough over slave wages that you become essentially a slave. Please more of that.
Paved Over

San Dimas, CA

#4701 Mar 6, 2012
Too much heat involved with paving the streets.
republican nightmare

Anderson, CA

#4702 Mar 6, 2012
Anamouse wrote:
<quoted text>
Another misconception, the stuff that we haven't taken out of the ground might not be enriched yet, but it's still quite dangerous if you're exposed to it, just look up Radon gas.
So about 100 years after enriched uranium is used in a reactor, it's about as dangerous as all the uranium that's in the ground today, and releasing radioactivity and radon gas.
Even the enriched pellets aren't real dangerous if their handled properly. I've seen them, the ones in our local reactors are small, and only really dangerous if you had a long exposure like if they were right under your house and you were sleeping there every night, or if you get enough close together and start a critical mass reaction.
I think you would benefit from a course on nuclear physics. Don't believe all the hype.
When everyone talks about radioactive forever, just remember that if that wasn't kind of true, the stuff that we dig up wouldn't still be radioactive enough to use. Yes, it's still radioactive after millions of years, but that doesn't mean it's a threat we can't deal with.
On the other hand their is no way to make a fossil fuel power plant that's clean and doesn't kill people via things like cancer.
Next time someone tells you how bad nuclear is, just point out how many people die of cancer from fossil fuel power plants.
Nuclear certainly has it's problems too, but if it's done right, like Generation 3 reactors, at least you can say it doesn't kill anyone.
If you don't know, Generation 3 is the safest design, safer than what we use now. What we use now depends on mechanical safeties working to shut down the reactor if something goes wrong.
Gen 3 reactors are much larger, and built on the principal that the core is so big that it can't produce enough energy in a small place to melt it's self down.
Even if all the safeties fail, all it can do is get very hot, even if all the water is gone, still all it can do is get very hot. It's a little like comparing an acetylene and oxygen torch to a propane and air one. Acetylene and Oxygen can burn though steel, but propane can't regardless of what you do with it.
If they had gen 3 in Japan, nothing would have melted down.
right if it gets too hot, well all be fine!!

are you trippin or something?

japan wasnt enough of a lesson for you that we should eb investing somewhere else, you must have a death wish.

we still have rods that are cooling from other (non generation 3) type plants....

the rods out in humboldt for instance.

a power source that is a terrorist target is low on my list of good energy proposals..... tognite newt was like plan # 1 drill, plan #2 drill, plan #3 drill.......

dont you guys have any other alternatives than oil, coal and nookular, which is unsafe and expensive to build and operate compared to a passive solar farm??

I dont buy your industry style rhetoric onhow safe those reactor are.

there have been two HUGE nuclear accident now.....and the third is likey to be in this country.

human error is enough of a reason not to build a reactor that continually need s to be cooled!!

here is my test to you....

if it is so safe,

would you mind if we built the next one near your house??

or would you, to demonstrtae how safe you think nuclear power is, buy some property next to a plant somewhere.

would you do that??

I am not asking you if you WILL, but would you??

"the core is so big, that it cant produce enough energy to melt down" really??? OK pal.

funny, but your the first person to be selling the saftey of nookular plants..

the residents of Ne japan and the ukraine would beg to differ.
republican nightmare

Anderson, CA

#4703 Mar 6, 2012
Anamouse wrote:
<quoted text>
Another misconception, the stuff that we haven't taken out of the ground might not be enriched yet, but it's still quite dangerous if you're exposed to it, just look up Radon gas.
So about 100 years after enriched uranium is used in a reactor, it's about as dangerous as all the uranium that's in the ground today, and releasing radioactivity and radon gas.
Even the enriched pellets aren't real dangerous if their handled properly. I've seen them, the ones in our local reactors are small, and only really dangerous if you had a long exposure like if they were right under your house and you were sleeping there every night, or if you get enough close together and start a critical mass reaction.
I think you would benefit from a course on nuclear physics. Don't believe all the hype.
When everyone talks about radioactive forever, just remember that if that wasn't kind of true, the stuff that we dig up wouldn't still be radioactive enough to use. Yes, it's still radioactive after millions of years, but that doesn't mean it's a threat we can't deal with.
On the other hand their is no way to make a fossil fuel power plant that's clean and doesn't kill people via things like cancer.
Next time someone tells you how bad nuclear is, just point out how many people die of cancer from fossil fuel power plants.
Nuclear certainly has it's problems too, but if it's done right, like Generation 3 reactors, at least you can say it doesn't kill anyone.
If you don't know, Generation 3 is the safest design, safer than what we use now. What we use now depends on mechanical safeties working to shut down the reactor if something goes wrong.
Gen 3 reactors are much larger, and built on the principal that the core is so big that it can't produce enough energy in a small place to melt it's self down.
Even if all the safeties fail, all it can do is get very hot, even if all the water is gone, still all it can do is get very hot. It's a little like comparing an acetylene and oxygen torch to a propane and air one. Acetylene and Oxygen can burn though steel, but propane can't regardless of what you do with it.
If they had gen 3 in Japan, nothing would have melted down.
ps: im not advocating fossil fuel plants either, that is YOUR stubborn mind set....

Im advocating claen alternatives like hydro, wind and solar,passive solar, tidal and geothermal.

the projects are now competative with sinking multi-billions into a nuclear project......which is never going to happen anyways.

why?? citizen outrage.... its just as hard to build a major airport...even though we need those to, as well as more power.

good luck with the nookular agenda, it is dangerous as s**t, but keep plugging away, mabey some idiot will believe you.
republican nightmare

Anderson, CA

#4704 Mar 6, 2012
dekajed wrote:
There are days here in Los Angeles that I can see snow capped mountains. I hate that. I like the ocean not mountains. I am against not clean air but transparent air. I don't trust air I can't see. I am for whatever proposition it is that causes breathing problems like emphysema and asthma to the young and elderly because I'm middle aged and CA is over populated as is. Bigger trucks and bigger factories I say. We need the jobs that pay just enough over slave wages that you become essentially a slave. Please more of that.
you dont trust air you cant see??

what about air you can see that you cant inhale...??

can you trust that??

your post made little sense.

all that water on those mts is what residents drink and bathe with.

I look up and I see glorious snow pack and breathe deep the fresh Northern california air... and i know its all going somewhere.

youve been breathing smog so long, your lungs might overload if they tasted this fresh air.
RiccardoFire

Elk Grove, CA

#4705 Mar 6, 2012
republican nightmare wrote:
<quoted text>
Bill maher doesnt weield the power over politicians that rush limbaugh does.....
just look at how powerful rush is....he has REALLY really helped Obama with the female vote.
and he has every commentator in the nation talking about him for hours a day!!......I d say thats power. bill maher HAS never and WILL never been poular enough(compared to Rush)to cause such a stir.
I dont agree with all of bills humor, but he sure rips you dorks a new one every friday night(not daily like rush)
and you simply dont have an enetertainer of bills caliber on the right......the right hates hollywood, just like A.hitler did, because of their political lampooning.
Ps; you obviously dont actually watch bill maher, because if you did, youd know he gives it out to the dems as well.
but they arnt as FUNNY as the New New republicans are.
the new new republicans in their social issues campaign, has given bill years worth of material.
bill owes much of his salery to folks like palin, rush and santorum. without them, there wouldn't be nearly as much good material to lampoon out there.
No, I don't spend my time watching him or hearing rush. Keep Voting for the fake robin hood that is actually taking money from the middle class and giving it to the rich. The point is, Rush is an entertainer. He has no power over anyone. Why is the left so concerned about free speech? Some get banned, some are killed, and then others are evil when both sides say it? What do u love about Hollywood?
republican nightmare

Anderson, CA

#4706 Mar 6, 2012
RiccardoFire wrote:
<quoted text>No, I don't spend my time watching him or hearing rush. Keep Voting for the fake robin hood that is actually taking money from the middle class and giving it to the rich. The point is, Rush is an entertainer. He has no power over anyone. Why is the left so concerned about free speech? Some get banned, some are killed, and then others are evil when both sides say it? What do u love about Hollywood?
I love it when they lampoon the right!!

and they do it often. because it is still controlled by the same people.

the republcans are the party of the rich!!?? FOR SURE

at least Obama has a jobs proposal...

except the rebuttlicken congress keeps fillibustering it.

corporations operate but by the good grace of their markets...

without the consumerism of the masses, there IS no wealth for the 1 percent to pool it the top.

socialism is what weve had through out the progressive age, to offset the ravages of pure capitalism.

or would you like to roll back all the gains of the unions and worker saftey.
????? well?????

would you take us back to 1893?? when we had no weekend and no osha, job security or pensions??

yeah I thought you would.
democrat reality check

Hidden Valley Lake, CA

#4707 Mar 6, 2012
republican nightmare wrote:
<quoted text>
I love it when they lampoon the right!!
and they do it often. because it is still controlled by the same people.
the republcans are the party of the rich!!?? FOR SURE
at least Obama has a jobs proposal...
except the rebuttlicken congress keeps fillibustering it.
corporations operate but by the good grace of their markets...
without the consumerism of the masses, there IS no wealth for the 1 percent to pool it the top.
socialism is what weve had through out the progressive age, to offset the ravages of pure capitalism.
or would you like to roll back all the gains of the unions and worker saftey.
????? well?????
would you take us back to 1893?? when we had no weekend and no osha, job security or pensions??
yeah I thought you would.
No I would prefer to let Ca. public employee unions break the state.....not. Thank you democrats in Sacramento for dring us into bankruptcy.

12,199
retired California government workers
receive pensions in excess of $100,000
from CalPERS
The top ten;
Name Monthly Annual Employer
Malkenhorst, Bruce V $44,189.02 $530,268.24 Vernon
Fuster, Joaquin M $26,226.08 $314,712.96 UC Los Angeles
Gerth, Donald R $24,590.52 $295,086.24 CSU Sacramento
Garret, William $24,129.46 $289,553.52 El Cajon
Stahl, James F $23,289.98 $279,479.76 LA Co Sanit #2
Schlag, John D $22,604.16 $271,249.92 UC Los Angeles
Southard, Glenn D $22,596.42 $271,157.04 Indio
Adams, Randy G $22,119.79 $265,437.48 Bell
Newell, George T $21,708.82 $260,505.84 Santa Clara County
Schachter, Julius $21,470.66 $257,647.92 UC San Francisco

They're all listed here

http://www.fixpensionsfirst.com/calpers-datab...
RiccardoFire

Albion, NE

#4708 Mar 6, 2012
republican nightmare wrote:
<quoted text>
I love it when they lampoon the right!!
and they do it often. because it is still controlled by the same people.
the republcans are the party of the rich!!?? FOR SURE
at least Obama has a jobs proposal...
except the rebuttlicken congress keeps fillibustering it.
corporations operate but by the good grace of their markets...
without the consumerism of the masses, there IS no wealth for the 1 percent to pool it the top.
socialism is what weve had through out the progressive age, to offset the ravages of pure capitalism.
or would you like to roll back all the gains of the unions and worker saftey.
????? well?????
would you take us back to 1893?? when we had no weekend and no osha, job security or pensions??
yeah I thought you would.
Funny how images are so reverse. It's both sides that are rich, the rich ones are people like john kerry and nazi pelosi, obama has made the rich richer at the expense of the middle class.
republican nightmare

Anderson, CA

#4709 Mar 6, 2012
RiccardoFire wrote:
<quoted text>Funny how images are so reverse. It's both sides that are rich, the rich ones are people like john kerry and nazi pelosi, obama has made the rich richer at the expense of the middle class.
there ARE wealthy democrats....

but the lions share of wall st money in this election is going to the republicans......Not obama. that was last time, before he signed frank dodd.

most uber wealthy people vote republican as well.....in their own interest. of course.
republican nightmare

Anderson, CA

#4710 Mar 6, 2012
democrat reality check wrote:
<quoted text>
No I would prefer to let Ca. public employee unions break the state.....not. Thank you democrats in Sacramento for dring us into bankruptcy.
12,199
retired California government workers
receive pensions in excess of $100,000
from CalPERS
The top ten;
Name Monthly Annual Employer
Malkenhorst, Bruce V $44,189.02 $530,268.24 Vernon
Fuster, Joaquin M $26,226.08 $314,712.96 UC Los Angeles
Gerth, Donald R $24,590.52 $295,086.24 CSU Sacramento
Garret, William $24,129.46 $289,553.52 El Cajon
Stahl, James F $23,289.98 $279,479.76 LA Co Sanit #2
Schlag, John D $22,604.16 $271,249.92 UC Los Angeles
Southard, Glenn D $22,596.42 $271,157.04 Indio
Adams, Randy G $22,119.79 $265,437.48 Bell
Newell, George T $21,708.82 $260,505.84 Santa Clara County
Schachter, Julius $21,470.66 $257,647.92 UC San Francisco
They're all listed here
http://www.fixpensionsfirst.com/calpers-datab...
I agree, those are high pensions

but the state is far from bankrupt...

in fact the sky hasnt fallen yet, so quit your hysteria.
republican nightmare

Anderson, CA

#4711 Mar 6, 2012
democrat reality check wrote:
<quoted text>
No I would prefer to let Ca. public employee unions break the state.....not. Thank you democrats in Sacramento for dring us into bankruptcy.
12,199
retired California government workers
receive pensions in excess of $100,000
from CalPERS
The top ten;
Name Monthly Annual Employer
Malkenhorst, Bruce V $44,189.02 $530,268.24 Vernon
Fuster, Joaquin M $26,226.08 $314,712.96 UC Los Angeles
Gerth, Donald R $24,590.52 $295,086.24 CSU Sacramento
Garret, William $24,129.46 $289,553.52 El Cajon
Stahl, James F $23,289.98 $279,479.76 LA Co Sanit #2
Schlag, John D $22,604.16 $271,249.92 UC Los Angeles
Southard, Glenn D $22,596.42 $271,157.04 Indio
Adams, Randy G $22,119.79 $265,437.48 Bell
Newell, George T $21,708.82 $260,505.84 Santa Clara County
Schachter, Julius $21,470.66 $257,647.92 UC San Francisco
They're all listed here
http://www.fixpensionsfirst.com/calpers-datab...
its almost like you want the state to fail, just out of spite.

face it. california is blue and will always be from now on, until it turns compleatly green. after getting in the black!

I know your soar that meg whitman and the texas oil cartel couldnt buy our elections in 10'......but get over it!!

there is a new election coming for you to get yow azz whupped in.
Paved Over

San Dimas, CA

#4712 Mar 6, 2012
Nice parking lots, with lots of Oil and tar.

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