Judge overturns California's ban on same-sex marriage

Aug 4, 2010 Full story: www.cnn.com 201,795

A federal judge in California has knocked down the state's voter-approved ban on same-sex marriage, ruling Wednesday that the state's controversial Proposition 8 violates the U.S. Constitution.

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Since: Apr 11

North Hollywood, CA

#191260 May 7, 2013
Frankie Rizzo wrote:
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Aren't you one of those dopes who believes a poly marriage asks for too much protection? That there's only enough protection for two in a marriage? So therefore poly should not be allowed?
Oh! That's right, you're the one who says that "polygamy is not an equal rights issue, it just isn't".
Yes indeed. We are talking about the Constitutional right to equal protection. You would limit it.
You're pretty stupid.
I haven't stated a position on whether poly marriage should be allowed.
And I won't.
I'm just saying it's not an equal rights issue because nobody can marry more than one person.
If a woman could marry more than one man, but a man couldn't marry more than one woman, then we'd have an equal rights issue.
Should a person be able to marry more than one person?
Well, why not start a forum on that subject?
Tax needs to Drop

Covina, CA

#191261 May 7, 2013
Taxes on Californians were just raised by billions of dollars.

We're paying higher federal, state and local taxes this year.
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#191262 May 7, 2013
Rose_NoHo wrote:
<quoted text>
You're pretty stupid.
I haven't stated a position on whether poly marriage should be allowed.
And I won't.
I'm just saying it's not an equal rights issue because nobody can marry more than one person.
If a woman could marry more than one man, but a man couldn't marry more than one woman, then we'd have an equal rights issue.
Should a person be able to marry more than one person?
Well, why not start a forum on that subject?
No. This is a perfectly good marriage equality forum. Why don't you start a thread on "are you a monster?" and "do you think you should have been aborted" type nonsense?

By your logic same sex marriage is not an equal rights issue because no one can marry someone of the same sex in many states there.

It's crazy that you truly believe equal rights applies only to gender.
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#191263 May 7, 2013
Tax needs to Drop wrote:
Taxes on Californians were just raised by billions of dollars.
We're paying higher federal, state and local taxes this year.
OY! Tell me about it. I mailed CA a HUGE check last month. I pay taxes in CA and NY, two of the highest tax rates in the country. I am taxed well over half my income.

Yes we can! But didn't. And won't.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#191264 May 8, 2013
veryvermilion wrote:
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We are discussing the article that you cited several posts ago. That article discusses "homosexuality", not "gay marriage".
If the history of homosexuality is so scarce, why did the author of the article discuss its presence in various cultures throughout history?
As David P. Barash, the author of your article, puts it, "if homosexuality is in any sense a product of evolution—and it clearly is, for reasons to be explained—then genetic factors associated with same-sex preference must enjoy some sort of reproductive advantage."
You keep hanging your hat on the "epi-genetic theory". What you can't seem to wrap your head around is the fact that this theory DOES NOT indicate a mistake of nature. The theory simply offers an explanation of why there are gay people.
Since scientists have already determined that homosexuality is a normal orientation along the continuum of human sexuality, then it is ridiculous for you to continue claiming that homosexuality is a "mistake".
Gay twirl.

WE were discussing both the history of marriage AND homosexuality. The article related to the later. I've never asserted that GLBT wasn't present at a defect rate of about 4%.

Epi-markers are 'normally' erased. They weren't fully erased in the case of homosexuals. Unbiased persons would term that a 'mistake'.

Scientists have NOT determined that homosexuality is a normal orientation. That is the whole point of the article. Some psychologists have made an assertion unvalidated by scientists.

Keep trying...

Smile.

“Vita e' Bella.”

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#191265 May 8, 2013
Big D wrote:
<quoted text>
And again if the majority of brown eyed people voted to deny rights to blue eyed people that too would be tossed out for being unconstitutional, and if the vote happens again, you don’t have the votes to keep it in place anymore anyway
Soooo......the mighty Big D is comparing the definition of marriage as a union of one man and one woman to the color of a person's eyes? Hmmmm.....number of sexes-two.....so there must be only two colors for eyes-blue and brown. Uhhhh huh. So men are the blue eyed people, and women the brown?

“Vita e' Bella.”

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#191266 May 8, 2013
Rose_NoHo wrote:
<quoted text>
Why do you think we have three branches of government and checks and balances?
No Californian who dislikes the idea of gay marriage has to marry someone of the same sex, so no harm is coming to them.
And if those who voted for Prop H8 decide not to vote ever again, that's a good thing.
Proposition 8 is simple and straightforward. It contains the same 14 words that were previously approved in 2000 by over 61% of California voters:“Only marriage between a man and a woman is valid or recognized in California.”

“Vita e' Bella.”

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#191267 May 8, 2013
Frankie Rizzo wrote:
<quoted text>
Right! We'll keep voting on it till it comes out right dammit!
Proposition 8 is simple and straightforward. It contains the same 14 words that were previously approved in 2000 by over 61% of California voters:“Only marriage between a man and a woman is valid or recognized in California.”

“Vita e' Bella.”

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#191268 May 8, 2013
Proposition 8 is simple and straightforward. It contains the same 14 words that were previously approved in 2000 by over 61% of California voters:“Only marriage between a man and a woman is valid or recognized in California.”
Rose_NoHo wrote:
<quoted text>
You're pretty stupid.
I haven't stated a position on whether poly marriage should be allowed.
And I won't.
I'm just saying it's not an equal rights issue because nobody can marry more than one person.
If a woman could marry more than one man, but a man couldn't marry more than one woman, then we'd have an equal rights issue.
Should a person be able to marry more than one person?
Well, why not start a forum on that subject?

“Vita e' Bella.”

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#191270 May 8, 2013
Proposition 8 is simple and straightforward. It contains the same 14 words that were previously approved in 2000 by over 61% of California voters:“Only marriage between a man and a woman is valid or recognized in California.”
Frankie Rizzo wrote:
<quoted text>
No. This is a perfectly good marriage equality forum. Why don't you start a thread on "are you a monster?" and "do you think you should have been aborted" type nonsense?
By your logic same sex marriage is not an equal rights issue because no one can marry someone of the same sex in many states there.
It's crazy that you truly believe equal rights applies only to gender.
Considering the way prop 8 was worded, it also banned polygamy, or any future consideration there of. You're right.
Big D

Modesto, CA

#191271 May 8, 2013
Pietro Armando wrote:
Proposition 8 is simple and straightforward. It contains the same 14 words that were previously approved in 2000 by over 61% of California voters:“Only marriage between a man and a woman is valid or recognized in California.”
<quoted text>
Considering the way prop 8 was worded, it also banned polygamy, or any future consideration there of. You're right.
Did you want to make a wager on whether polygamy will be legal when prop 8 is overturned?

What you are saying is like saying that Murder was banned when assault weapons were banned.

Those darn gun control hippies banned Murder!
Praise Jesus

Harrisonburg, VA

#191272 May 8, 2013
Pietro Armando wrote:
Proposition 8 is simple and straightforward. It contains the same 14 words that were previously approved in 2000 by over 61% of California voters:“Only marriage between a man and a woman is valid or recognized in California.”
<quoted text>
Considering the way prop 8 was worded, it also banned polygamy, or any future consideration there of. You're right.
I agree and these morons don't comprehend that but the homosexuals are suing everyone now for special rights and privileges that supersede heterosexuals to have the fear factor over our society.
Praise Jesus

Harrisonburg, VA

#191273 May 8, 2013
Rose_NoHo wrote:
<quoted text>
You're pretty stupid.
I haven't stated a position on whether poly marriage should be allowed.
And I won't.
I'm just saying it's not an equal rights issue because nobody can marry more than one person.
If a woman could marry more than one man, but a man couldn't marry more than one woman, then we'd have an equal rights issue.
Should a person be able to marry more than one person?
Well, why not start a forum on that subject?
I personally think, from what I have read, the reason you refuse to give a position on poly marriage is because you want this with your homosexual marriages adding to the enormous list of special rights and privileges that supersede heterosexuals. You were married to a man at one time and father children with you so why not be married to both.
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#191274 May 8, 2013
Big D wrote:
<quoted text>
Did you want to make a wager on whether polygamy will be legal when prop 8 is overturned?
What you are saying is like saying that Murder was banned when assault weapons were banned.
Those darn gun control hippies banned Murder!
What don't you understand about ONE man ONE woman?

Prop 8 bans polygamy too. If the other laws against polygamy were repealed but prop 8 was still in force would polygamy be legal?

A simple yes or no please.
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#191275 May 8, 2013
Praise Jesus wrote:
<quoted text>
I personally think, from what I have read, the reason you refuse to give a position on poly marriage is because you want this with your homosexual marriages adding to the enormous list of special rights and privileges that supersede heterosexuals. You were married to a man at one time and father children with you so why not be married to both.
The reason Rose_NoHo refuses to disclose her position on polygamy is that she doesn't want to reveal her hypocrisy in supporting same sex marriage but not poly marriage.

She knows she's a hypocrite but doesn't want us to know.
Poo Dunks

Covina, CA

#191276 May 8, 2013
Frankie Risso, your mother called and said get off the computer and go home!
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#191277 May 8, 2013
Poo Dunks wrote:
Frankie Risso, your mother called and said get off the computer and go home!
My mother died 35 years ago.

Since: Dec 09

Knoxville, TN

#191278 May 8, 2013
KiMare wrote:
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Gay twirl.
WE were discussing both the history of marriage AND homosexuality. The article related to the later. I've never asserted that GLBT wasn't present at a defect rate of about 4%.
Epi-markers are 'normally' erased. They weren't fully erased in the case of homosexuals. Unbiased persons would term that a 'mistake'.
Scientists have NOT determined that homosexuality is a normal orientation. That is the whole point of the article. Some psychologists have made an assertion unvalidated by scientists.
Keep trying...
Smile.
If scientists determine that homosexuality is related to epi-genetics, then that's fine. They will have in their possession an answer to the question, "How are homosexuals created?"

But it will not in any way indicate that homosexuals are a "defect".

In order for someone to be defective, then that person either has to be unable to function in society.

Gays are integrated in society. We do everything that straight people do.

Here's what the American Psychological Association says about homosexuality... "Both heterosexual behavior and homosexual behavior are normal aspects of human sexuality. Both have been documented in many different cultures and historical eras. Despite the persistence of stereotypes that portray lesbian, gay, and bisexual people as disturbed, several decades of research and clinical experience have led all mainstream medical and mental health organizations in this country to conclude that these orientations represent normal forms of human experience."

Furthermore:
--The American Psychiatric Association removed homosexuality from its list of mental illnesses in 1973.
--The American Law Institute continually updates its Model Penal Code, which is a group of laws that they suggest be implemented at the state level. They recommend to legislators: "that private sexual behavior between consenting adults should be removed from the list of crimes and thereby legalized."
--The American Bar Association in 1974 expressed its approval of the Model Penal Code, including its decriminalization of consensual adult homosexual acts.
--The World Health Organization removed homosexuality from its list of mental illnesses in 1981.
--The American Medical Association (AMA) released a report in 1994-DEC which calls for "nonjudgmental recognition of sexual orientation by physicians. They also changed their definition of homosexuality to that of a "normal variant" (like being left handed) rather than as a "disease."
--The Academy of Pediatrics and the Council on Child and Adolescent Health have also stated that homosexuality is not a choice and cannot be changed.

So I guess scientists HAVE decided that homosexuality is normal after all.

Your arrogance will be your undoing. That you believe you know something that all of these professional organizations do not is the very definition of "delusions of grandeur".

I've said this many times to you... You really should look things up before you get on here and make an ass of yourself.
Big D

Modesto, CA

#191279 May 8, 2013
veryvermilion wrote:
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If scientists determine that homosexuality is related to epi-genetics, then that's fine. They will have in their possession an answer to the question, "How are homosexuals created?"
.
You are talking to nut jobs, you would do better to say "God created homosexuals"

Then let them go argue with their imaginary playmate

It will be like watching them run around in circles with one foot nailed to the floor
sandy

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