Recession hits York County's Catholic...

Recession hits York County's Catholic schools

There are 27 comments on the York Dispatch story from Feb 2, 2010, titled Recession hits York County's Catholic schools. In it, York Dispatch reports that:

AND ANDREW SHAW The recession is likely the culprit behind a 500-student decrease in Catholic school enrollment in the area, according to a spokesman with the Roman Catholic Diocese of Harrisburg.

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Bro1856

Cockeysville, MD

#1 Feb 2, 2010
If we could only get vouchers for those of us who send our kids to Catholic school (or any other non-oublic school)....
4REAL1

Westminster, MD

#2 Feb 2, 2010
They should be fine since they didn't give their teachers any raises this school year and their average starting salary is about $27,000...
finally

United States

#3 Feb 2, 2010
Bro1856 wrote:
If we could only get vouchers for those of us who send our kids to Catholic school (or any other non-oublic school)....
Amen
BEK

Scranton, PA

#4 Feb 2, 2010
Stop the voucher crap- if public school is not good enough for your brats, then pony up the $$$ for private schooling ON YOUR OWN. That's your problem, not the taxpayers.
AGJ

Raleigh, NC

#5 Feb 2, 2010
There is an opportunity for those wishing to support non-profit scholarships in PA it is the Educational Improvement Tax Credit (EITC). It provides companies with a 75% tax credit for donations to a non-profit scholarship or educational improvement organization. The tax credit increases to 90% if the company commits to making the same donations for two consecutive years. EITC provides children and families with a choice in their education and a chance in life.
Bro1856

Cockeysville, MD

#6 Feb 3, 2010
BEK wrote:
Stop the voucher crap- if public school is not good enough for your brats, then pony up the $$$ for private schooling ON YOUR OWN. That's your problem, not the taxpayers.
Why should I pay to subsidze your children's education? Why should the elderly have to pay, too. I think ALL parents should be responsible for supporting the school of THEIR choice. It's part of the price of having children- you have them- you pay for their expenses. You should be glad I send my kids to private school. They save the local school system money and classroom space (they also get a higher quality of education so they can be your kid's boss one day- but I digress.....)

Would be useful for a few reasons:

1) The school board would have to live within a budget. Want a new building- save for it. Negotiating contracts with the teachers- play hardball.
2) People would see the real cost of education and take more of a role in their school system.
3) Fiscal sanity would be restored.
4) People who do not have children in the system could save (and eventually spend) boosting the economy.
5) Better schools through competition.
The serpent was right

Cedarhurst, NY

#9 Feb 3, 2010
Bro1856 wrote:
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Why should I pay to subsidze your children's education? Why should the elderly have to pay, too. I think ALL parents should be responsible for supporting the school of THEIR choice. It's part of the price of having children- you have them- you pay for their expenses. You should be glad I send my kids to private school. They save the local school system money and classroom space (they also get a higher quality of education so they can be your kid's boss one day- but I digress.....)
Would be useful for a few reasons:
1) The school board would have to live within a budget. Want a new building- save for it. Negotiating contracts with the teachers- play hardball.
2) People would see the real cost of education and take more of a role in their school system.
3) Fiscal sanity would be restored.
4) People who do not have children in the system could save (and eventually spend) boosting the economy.
5) Better schools through competition.
When my kids get out of college, maybe your kids can work for them.

In Pa everyone who owns land, pays school tax. It's a bullshit system, but just because you want to send your kids to fantasy camp, doesn't mean you don't have to pay tax.
Bro1856

Cockeysville, MD

#12 Feb 3, 2010
The serpent was right wrote:
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When my kids get out of college, maybe your kids can work for them.
In Pa everyone who owns land, pays school tax. It's a bullshit system, but just because you want to send your kids to fantasy camp, doesn't mean you don't have to pay tax.
Congrats if your children are in college. Hopefully, mine will be able to also (only 5 & 7) but with two parents with Masters degrees, I think they stand a good chance.

I agree it's the system, but the system should be overhauled. It isn't working.
The serpent was right

Cedarhurst, NY

#14 Feb 3, 2010
Bro1856 wrote:
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If I was Catholic (or even a Christian) that might bother me.
I'm not so it doesn't.
So you are NOT sending your kids to Catholic school?
Really

Hanover, PA

#16 Feb 3, 2010
Bro1856 wrote:
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Why should I pay to subsidze your children's education? Why should the elderly have to pay, too. I think ALL parents should be responsible for supporting the school of THEIR choice. It's part of the price of having children- you have them- you pay for their expenses. You should be glad I send my kids to private school. They save the local school system money and classroom space (they also get a higher quality of education so they can be your kid's boss one day- but I digress.....)
Would be useful for a few reasons:
1) The school board would have to live within a budget. Want a new building- save for it. Negotiating contracts with the teachers- play hardball.
2) People would see the real cost of education and take more of a role in their school system.
3) Fiscal sanity would be restored.
4) People who do not have children in the system could save (and eventually spend) boosting the economy.
5) Better schools through competition.
Kids getting a better education by going to a private school is a myth, especially in York county. You're a moron for paying extra money for a worthless high school diploma. It doesn't even matter what college you go to anymore in most cases. Yeah, you sound like a bitter person because you have to pay taxes. I really hope you don't have kids, you're not too bright.
Bro1856

Cockeysville, MD

#17 Feb 3, 2010
The serpent was right wrote:
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So you are NOT sending your kids to Catholic school?
My wife is RC so yes- they go there. You also do not have to be Roman Catholic to attend the schools.
Bro1856

Cockeysville, MD

#18 Feb 3, 2010
Really wrote:
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You claim to have a masters degree yet this is your response? Right, I call B.S.
Call whatever you want. I know my degrees and have no need to prove myself.
Bro1856

Cockeysville, MD

#19 Feb 3, 2010
Really wrote:
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Kids getting a better education by going to a private school is a myth, especially in York county. You're a moron for paying extra money for a worthless high school diploma. It doesn't even matter what college you go to anymore in most cases. Yeah, you sound like a bitter person because you have to pay taxes. I really hope you don't have kids, you're not too bright.
I disagree with the so-called myth comment. The school has a better program in my opinion that the Red Lion school district. My opinion. Might not reflect yours- but as far as I'm concerned- it's right.

The kids aren't in HS right now.

I'll agree that sometimes it doesn't matter what college you go to. What matters is what you learn and whether you take advantage of internships and other training opportunities to give real world experience.

I am bitter that the taxes have gotten out of control. The school taxes consitantly goes up 3-4% every year. My raise goes to pay all the extra taxes. Bitter- you bet. Disgusted- oh yeah (both with the school board, elect officials, and the idiots that keep sending them back to office without thinking who they are voting for).
Really

Hanover, PA

#20 Feb 3, 2010
Bro1856, your comment trying to say that your child will be a boss of someone else because he went to private school is just plain dumb . If it doesn't always matter what college a kid went to, what does it matter what high school or elementary school he or she went to? And really, despite the school, it is all about what the student makes of it. A public school student can still go to Harvard. Just advice, if money is tight, don't pay for a private school diploma.
Bro1856

Cockeysville, MD

#23 Feb 4, 2010
Really wrote:
Bro1856, your comment trying to say that your child will be a boss of someone else because he went to private school is just plain dumb . If it doesn't always matter what college a kid went to, what does it matter what high school or elementary school he or she went to? And really, despite the school, it is all about what the student makes of it. A public school student can still go to Harvard. Just advice, if money is tight, don't pay for a private school diploma.
I think you're missing the point. The point I am trying to make is that the taxes are out of control in the York area. Anyone who says otherwise is either a Communist, liar, or psychotic.

It is my belief that only the people who utilize schools should pay the full amount of the taxes. Let the public see what the real cost of the mismanagement of the the public school system is in reality.

Can anyone answer this question- Why CAN'T the public schools operate on the same budget and provide the same type of results that private schools show?
Really

Hanover, PA

#24 Feb 4, 2010
Ok, I can agree. Taxes have never been fair have they? I was just pointing out some of your arrogant comments. Hope you really don't feel that way.
Bro1856

Cockeysville, MD

#25 Feb 4, 2010
Really wrote:
Ok, I can agree. Taxes have never been fair have they? I was just pointing out some of your arrogant comments. Hope you really don't feel that way.
I don't see them as any less arrogant than the comments that were originally posted concerning "brats" etc.

And I do feel that the only way to rise to the top of the game is getting the most out of your education starting in elementary school, through high school, and earning as high a degree as possible. Augment this with real world experience, you have the recipe for success.

For those who say elementary school and high school are not important my comment is wrong. Those levels of education are where you are supposed to get the basics of a classical education. If you do not push for excellence from the schools and get your children into the best possible school- you are condemning them (possibly) to a life of below average achievements and accomplishments.
Really

Hanover, PA

#26 Feb 4, 2010
Yes, a good early start is important. But that still doesn't take away the fact that a private elementary and private high school alone doesn't make you a better job candidate in the real world. Still doesn't take away the fact that having a high school diploma from a private high school makes you no better than a good student at a public high school in terms of the real world. Parents can want all they wanbt from their kids, but in the end, it comes down to what the kid puts into it. You're not condemning a child because you aren't putting them in a private elementary school, you would be surprised how the subjects they are learning are very similar. It's more impressive coming from a public school because it shows the child doesn't need extra attention, they can thrive in a real world environment.
Really

Hanover, PA

#27 Feb 4, 2010
You can get great education in many public schools too. Like I said, you would be surprised how both schools can compare. The big difference is just the cultural differences that take place in public schools. You have a public school student and a private school student, if the public student has better grades and scores, he will be the higher candidate for colleges. Just saying, to state that a child will have a better job just because they went to private school alone is just crazy. It's what the kid puts in.
The serpent was right

Cedarhurst, NY

#28 Feb 4, 2010
Bro1856 wrote:
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I think you're missing the point. The point I am trying to make is that the taxes are out of control in the York area. Anyone who says otherwise is either a Communist, liar, or psychotic.
It is my belief that only the people who utilize schools should pay the full amount of the taxes. Let the public see what the real cost of the mismanagement of the the public school system is in reality.
Can anyone answer this question- Why CAN'T the public schools operate on the same budget and provide the same type of results that private schools show?
"It is my belief that only the people who utilize schools should pay the full amount of the taxes."

Of course you understand that there would be a HUGE number of uneducated kids in this country. Not everyone could even come close to paying what it would cost to send a child to school. So what would happen to keep costs down? Well, teaching would once again be a very low paying job. The quality of teachers would go way down etc... I'm sure you can see where all this is going. don't get me wrong, I don't think the school tax system is fair, or right, but, it is unrealistic toexpect parents to schoulder the whole expense.

Something else occured to me. In your earlier post, you mentioned vouchers for your kids. Well, where would the money from vouchers come from?...... My taxes!!! So while you complain that your school taxes are unfair, you also advocate others contibuting to your childrens education through a tax system!!! LOL, you can't have it both ways.

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