Bubba

Speculator, NY

#289 Mar 5, 2013
you will get the same answer , I'm getting ...none , so what if it is $800,000 , thats 3 years of health insurance , so whats the big deal , Kim are you worried about being $ 800,000 , but you think the bill for ins. is ok , you can't be for one and not the other , its all OUR money ....
need meetings again

Clinton, NY

#291 Mar 5, 2013
what did we expect? that the people would be served? It's private interest being served by PUBLIC officials. Bottom line will show that. But it may already be too late to do anything. This whole thing from the very beginning had been done behind closed doors. When the people found another road to travel and save us some money (which our board should have been able to do, but didn't) suddenly we have no say and the price is almost where it was when we voted it down.
For mercy sake, someone, please explain what has happened with this project since we found it could be done more economically with another contactor???
what now

Gloversville, NY

#292 Mar 5, 2013
contract wrote:
Please, someone, get to the bottom of this big question mark we are learning of concerning the CHANGE OF ANY WORDING IN A CONTRACT??
The higher price has to be there for a reason.
It has to be because of added costs for more work, materials and labor.
Besides, the Highway Supt. had no right nor authority to change anything, if in fact it did happen.
Who can get the REAL story here?
This could be very critical to you and me and everyone else who felt this was resolved the way the taxpayers wanted it to be and expressed that by our special vote.
PLEASE, SOMEONE, LET US KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON?
Bill Garner didn't change anything, he only pointed out to Bill Karn that one of the measurement that Zangrilli had on the plans was not correct as Bill had gone and measured it. So anything Bill did did not change the price of the bids.
As for the cost of Health Insurance thats a differnt budget all together, there was a budget hearing on that and nobody came but 4 people. That cost is there till next budget time, than all you people can be there to set it straight. But mean while we have a bridge that is coming in almost twice what was brought to the meetings $450,000-$650000 +. That will be a debt for 40 years and once it is done it's done, you won't be able to change it, you will pay at least $40,000 a year for twenty years. Lets hope the bridge committe is is closer on this cost than they were on the bridge bid,
Please try to explain

Lake Luzerne, NY

#293 Mar 5, 2013
Parker.....is this true? If so, do you know why it's so much higher?
Bubba

Speculator, NY

#294 Mar 5, 2013
what now wrote:
<quoted text>
Bill Garner didn't change anything, he only pointed out to Bill Karn that one of the measurement that Zangrilli had on the plans was not correct as Bill had gone and measured it. So anything Bill did did not change the price of the bids.
As for the cost of Health Insurance thats a differnt budget all together, there was a budget hearing on that and nobody came but 4 people. That cost is there till next budget time, than all you people can be there to set it straight. But mean while we have a bridge that is coming in almost twice what was brought to the meetings $450,000-$650000 +. That will be a debt for 40 years and once it is done it's done, you won't be able to change it, you will pay at least $40,000 a year for twenty years. Lets hope the bridge committe is is closer on this cost than they were on the bridge bid,
and here we go again you are worried about the $40,000 , lets see thats $40,000 for 20 years , the health care has cost approx.$ 2,700,000 for the last 17 years .... were you at the meeting complaining about the health care cost , I think not . and its so nice of Bill to measure , maybe if he would have done even a little repair on the old bridges , we would not be having this topic ....
yeppers

Clinton, NY

#296 Mar 5, 2013
U R rite on bubba
vote

New Hartford, NY

#297 Mar 6, 2013
We voted yes for bridges, just build them .Inflation is a given , materials get more expensive everyday, cement ,Iron...These bridges should have been maintained and fixed or replaced years ago.Just Do It. Start the construction!!!
Bubba

Henderson, NY

#298 Mar 6, 2013
vote wrote:
We voted yes for bridges, just build them .Inflation is a given , materials get more expensive everyday, cement ,Iron...These bridges should have been maintained and fixed or replaced years ago.Just Do It. Start the construction!!!
agree
Paul

Henderson, NY

#299 Mar 6, 2013
what now wrote:
<quoted text>
Bill Garner didn't change anything, he only pointed out to Bill Karn that one of the measurement that Zangrilli had on the plans was not correct as Bill had gone and measured it. So anything Bill did did not change the price of the bids.
As for the cost of Health Insurance thats a differnt budget all together, there was a budget hearing on that and nobody came but 4 people. That cost is there till next budget time, than all you people can be there to set it straight. But mean while we have a bridge that is coming in almost twice what was brought to the meetings $450,000-$650000 +. That will be a debt for 40 years and once it is done it's done, you won't be able to change it, you will pay at least $40,000 a year for twenty years. Lets hope the bridge committe is is closer on this cost than they were on the bridge bid,
well thanks Bill for checking things , good job , remember that a person went through the boards on the bridge , maybe Bill should have measured the boards or checked them , oh but thats not his job is it .....and as for you "what now" you voted no and the yes votes won , get over it ...
Thumper

Clinton, NY

#300 Mar 6, 2013
sometimes it is how you ask the question or make the statement that causes more information to come out. The Bill Gardner/Bill Karn action would not have been known otherwise, and while it was not a serious thing, thank goodness, but it could have been. So thank you for easing our minds by your posting Paul. Now, exactly at what point in time was this change made? Could that have caused the excessive dollar figures we have been hearing of?
Besides, I recall a discussion of two walkways on this site before, maybe that has been corrected now.
The cost factor at this time has been the result of gross neglect over the years. It certainly had to do with the scheduled maintenance. Those regular reports were either not made out, or never done.
While one cannot cry over spilled milk, there most certainly is a lesson to be learned here. Someone dropped the ball and now that it has gathered dollar bills along its path, we have to deal financially with it. The crusher is the health insurance costs and the bridge costs coming at the same time. THIS CERTAINLY WAS THE RESULT OF NEGLECT, but we can't cry over spilt milk, we can all cry in our beer.
It is encouraging to see that people are beginning to pay attention to what they will be paying for. Now the trick is to know ahead of time so we can all be prepared to keep costs as resonable as possible for ALL OUR SAKES........
Time for a watchdog committee because it isn't going to get any better people!!!
no its not

Utica, NY

#301 Mar 6, 2013
With the back door boys sneaking in and out how can it get better? There can be no trust with either Bill or John!!
Paul

Camden, NY

#302 Mar 6, 2013
its not so much the cost coming at the same time as people are worried so much about the cost of the bridge but don't care about the other cost , it would seem they are just against the bridges , I voted yes and I could care less if it cost a few dollars more , but for the people that are bringing up the money issue , get off your butts and look at the other money spent each year ...
big daddy

Utica, NY

#304 Mar 6, 2013
fire all the crooks
costs more

Caroga Lake, NY

#305 Mar 6, 2013
Those bids don't reflect inflation.

Costs more because we approved more. If we had approved $1,000,000 in bonds the bids would be higher than they are now.

Push the bridges in the river, and be done with it.
spilt milk

Clinton, NY

#306 Mar 6, 2013
The Bridges have been a tenuous situation for some time. We all knew that. The problem could be that we were not as interested in the other actions going on in our town at the same time, i.e. the cost of day to day operations balooning. We carry some of that burden of what has been happening because we weren't paying attention.
Also because we trusted our officials to take care of our TOWN as a whole, instead some took care of themselves.
Water over the dam now, but this following of the activities is a tremendous enlightenment to us all.
Good people are coming forward to try to hold this together. The question is.........how long can this keep going on?
We must learn to choose our reps. with more care and inform them that we will be watching their day to day performance that we all pay VERY DEARLY FOR.
Don't cry over spilt milk..........get you behinds in town hall and to the meetings and find things out for yourself. Don't rely on just someone's opinion. It's our money, we have a right to be on top of how it is being spent, and what it is being spent for.
Topix has provided a forum and it seems to be working. Now it is up to the people to get to the meetings EVERY MONTH and get into town hall if they question certain things going on.
Bottom line, I feel there has been MUCH done over the years that has brought us to this fiscal brink.
The only people who were in position to help keep our taxes reasonable, to keep our property up, to find ways to get the most for our tax dollars, seem to have HAD other things on their minds the past couple of years.
TIME FOR THAT TO END.
FRED

Gloversville, NY

#307 Mar 6, 2013
Paul wrote:
its not so much the cost coming at the same time as people are worried so much about the cost of the bridge but don't care about the other cost , it would seem they are just against the bridges , I voted yes and I could care less if it cost a few dollars more , but for the people that are bringing up the money issue , get off your butts and look at the other money spent each year ...
There is part of the problem, when you call $200,000 to $300,000 a "LITTLE BIT MORE". There has been too much of that kind of figuring.
COSTS MORE

Gloversville, NY

#308 Mar 6, 2013
You do know that there is a Town Board meeting tonight 3/6/13 to discuss the bids?
lol

Ardsley, NY

#309 Mar 6, 2013
COSTS MORE wrote:
You do know that there is a Town Board meeting tonight 3/6/13 to discuss the bids?
Yeah- but all the complainers on here are too busy to go! Put your money where your mouth is all you experts!
Paul

Johnstown, NY

#310 Mar 6, 2013
FRED wrote:
<quoted text>
There is part of the problem, when you call $200,000 to $300,000 a "LITTLE BIT MORE". There has been too much of that kind of figuring.
its a little bit more in my taxes ...
ART

Gloversville, NY

#311 Mar 6, 2013
New bridge cost--681,000.00

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