Romney Likens Wall Street Protests to...

Romney Likens Wall Street Protests to 'Class Warfare'

There are 32 comments on the The New York Times story from Oct 4, 2011, titled Romney Likens Wall Street Protests to 'Class Warfare'. In it, The New York Times reports that:

As anti-Wall Street protests have begun to move from Wall Street to main streets in other cities, the issue has also started to bubble up in the presidential campaign.

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“I'm From the USA, 5 Years Here”

Since: May 10

Haungshi, China

#1 Oct 4, 2011
Lets hope this class warfare takes off and forces the change in government that Obama promised but never delivered.
nonsilent majority

Dillon, MT

#3 Oct 4, 2011
Jim Em wrote:
Lets hope this class warfare takes off and forces the change in government that Obama promised but never delivered.
Let's hope all you commie socialist bastards stop mooching off the productive ones in this world and let capitialism, which is the ONLY source of true wealth, return in full bloom.
Grumpy

Conneaut, OH

#4 Oct 4, 2011
nonsilent majority wrote:
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Let's hope all you commie socialist bastards stop mooching off the productive ones in this world and let capitialism, which is the ONLY source of true wealth, return in full bloom.
Capitalism is the communism of the wealthy. It's corporate greed that got the economy in the bad shape it's in now.
OccupyTheWorld

Lincoln, NE

#5 Oct 4, 2011
nonsilent majority wrote:
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Let's hope all you commie socialist bastards stop mooching off the productive ones in this world and let capitialism, which is the ONLY source of true wealth, return in full bloom.
So are the Tea Baggers who joined Occupation Wall Street commies too?

“your life is great”

Since: Aug 09

you poop in clean water

#6 Oct 4, 2011
nonsilent majority wrote:
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Let's hope all you commie socialist bastards stop mooching off the productive ones in this world and let capitialism, which is the ONLY source of true wealth, return in full bloom.
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bailing out failing companies IS communism!
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OccupyTheWorld

Lincoln, NE

#7 Oct 4, 2011
anneutral wrote:
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bailing out failing companies IS communism!
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No, the government actually owning them would be Communism. Do you not know what Communism is?

“I'm From the USA, 5 Years Here”

Since: May 10

Haungshi, China

#8 Oct 4, 2011
Grumpy wrote:
<quoted text>Capitalism is the communism of the wealthy. It's corporate greed that got the economy in the bad shape it's in now.
There is nothing wrong with capitalism as long as it has adequate controls in place so the crap that has happened over the last 30 years that got us into this God forsaken mess doesn't happen.

That and many other reasons is why I would like to see lobbyist pay person for person, dollar for dollar, lobbyists that represent the people. The Supreme Court has said that lobbyist activities are protected under free speech, but I see no reason why they can't be required to fund lobbyists for the people to level the playing field.

“I'm From the USA, 5 Years Here”

Since: May 10

Haungshi, China

#9 Oct 4, 2011
OccupyTheWorld wrote:
<quoted text>No, the government actually owning them would be Communism. Do you not know what Communism is?
Actually that would be socialism, communism is socialism but the difference is, with communism, everyone is equal. Both are failures. If the world was either, we'd be stuck in the 1890's because both stifle innovation, creativity and one of the most important, competition. In short, they make the people complacent and lazy because there is no reward for effort, especially with communism.
OccupyTheWorld

Lincoln, NE

#10 Oct 4, 2011
Jim Em wrote:
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Actually that would be socialism, communism is socialism but the difference is, with communism, everyone is equal. Both are failures. If the world was either, we'd be stuck in the 1890's because both stifle innovation, creativity and one of the most important, competition. In short, they make the people complacent and lazy because there is no reward for effort, especially with communism.
Wrong. In a communist state, the government owns the corporations and uses the money from profits to distribute to the population... I.E. Socialism. Now when the OPPOSITE happens, and the Corporations own the government, which is the case with the Occupy Wall Street movement, that is called Fascism. an Oligarchy, and a Plutocracy. But it MOST CERTAINLY, isn't Communism.. EDUCATE YOURSELF. It beats parroting stupid lines about COMMIES. What, still stuck in the McCarthy era?
bottlecap

Homosassa, FL

#11 Oct 4, 2011
nonsilent majority wrote:
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Let's hope all you commie socialist bastards stop mooching off the productive ones in this world and let capitialism, which is the ONLY source of true wealth, return in full bloom.
Yes, CAPITALISM! Bill Gates, MicroSoft; Steve Jobs, Apple: Ford Motors. etc.-----they are great and improve the quality of life for all Americans.

But there are no BAILOUTS in Capitalism And that leads to what is bothering me about part of Wall Street and that part is the FASCIST part.

"Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power.'
Benito Mussolini

Businesses like General Electric, Goldman Sachs, Fanny Mae, Freddie Mac, AIG, Bank of America, etc., have all been beneficiaries of having the American taxpyer pay for their blunders or lost revenue because of collusion with the government.

Hopefully, as these protests grow, a dialogue will help clarify this CRITICAL distinction.
bottlecap

Homosassa, FL

#12 Oct 4, 2011
OccupyTheWorld wrote:
<quoted text>Wrong. In a communist state, the government owns the corporations and uses the money from profits to distribute to the population... I.E. Socialism. Now when the OPPOSITE happens, and the Corporations own the government, which is the case with the Occupy Wall Street movement, that is called Fascism. an Oligarchy, and a Plutocracy. But it MOST CERTAINLY, isn't Communism.. EDUCATE YOURSELF. It beats parroting stupid lines about COMMIES. What, still stuck in the McCarthy era?
Cornell West, a African-American intellectual, reluctantly came to grips with the man he supported for President.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/cornel...

"The well-known Princeton professor and author, who has released rap albums and starred in Hollywood films, supported Obama in the 2008 presidential campaign but now calls the president a “black mascot of Wall Street oligarchs and a black puppet of corporate plutocrats.”
bottlecap

Homosassa, FL

#13 Oct 4, 2011
anneutral wrote:
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bailing out failing companies IS communism!
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.....IS Fascism.

There is a great progressive documentary called, "Inside Job", that shows the collusion in the BAILOUT scam between the government, politicians, certain Wall Street entities and Acedemia.

Worth seeing.

“I'm From the USA, 5 Years Here”

Since: May 10

Haungshi, China

#14 Oct 4, 2011
OccupyTheWorld wrote:
<quoted text>Wrong. In a communist state, the government owns the corporations and uses the money from profits to distribute to the population... I.E. Socialism. Now when the OPPOSITE happens, and the Corporations own the government, which is the case with the Occupy Wall Street movement, that is called Fascism. an Oligarchy, and a Plutocracy. But it MOST CERTAINLY, isn't Communism.. EDUCATE YOURSELF. It beats parroting stupid lines about COMMIES. What, still stuck in the McCarthy era?
Wow, you just said it was communism, I.E. socialism? So communism and socialism are exactly the same??????????

You said in your original post, what I was commenting on "No, the government actually owning them would be Communism. Do you not know what Communism is?" and then you say it is not communism in this post, but rather fascism, an oligarchy and a plutocracy, which are all political systems and NOT ECONOMIC SYSTEMS, of which socialism, communism and capitalism are.

Socialism and communism have been attempted to be described as political systems, but those definitions are all over the map, as economic systems they have remained rock solid. Any economic system can exist in any political system.

Socialism = all aspects of business is controlled by the state, which would include ownership

Communism = the above, plus everyone is equal (the word commune comes from communism and in a commune, everyone is equal)

Capitalism = all aspects of business is controlled by free enterprise.

That is as simple as it gets, any other definitions, as I have stated, are all over the map and open to wide interpretations.
bottlecap

Homosassa, FL

#15 Oct 4, 2011
From the New York Times Article---

"Greeting an overflow room of voters Tuesday at a community center in The Villages, a retirement community in Florida, Mitt Romney was asked about the protests, and said that he had spoken to the people involved."
“'I think it’s dangerous — this class warfare,'” "Mr. Romney said.

"The quote was reported by CBS and The National Journal’s Sarah Boxer, who was in the room at the time and sent Mr. Romney’s response out on Twitter."

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All I can say is that this story is an example of super cruddy journalism.

The writer does not even give the ACTUAL QUESTION that produced Romney's response.

The New York Times is not to be trusted.

“I'm From the USA, 5 Years Here”

Since: May 10

Haungshi, China

#16 Oct 4, 2011
Fascism
A political philosophy, movement, or regime that exalts nation and often race and stands for centralized autocratic often militaristic government.
Marian-Websters

It makes no mention of type of economic system. Mussolini definition was self serving.

Socialism would be the state taking over corporations. China today calls their major industries and services (power, banks, etc) as socialism/capitalism since the state shares ownership with private enterprise. Which creates the most important aspect of capitalism intact, competition. Whereas before they described themselves as communist/socialist economic system and Deng Xioping, almost immediately upon Mao's death started the road to capitalism. He understood that socialism/communism mix was holding the country back, that it was ok to get rich, ok to have private enterprise and ok to use, as a major source of revenue for the states, part ownership in major industry and services. While leaving the small business owner alone.

We would smart to look into how they are doing this, considering their government today is swimming in money and the people are not taxed to death, like ours are.

“I'm From the USA, 5 Years Here”

Since: May 10

Haungshi, China

#17 Oct 4, 2011
In the USA we pay 213 various taxes. Some of them directly to our governments (from local to federal) and some through those taxes passed onto you as part of the cost of doing business.

In the end, you the individual pay all the taxes and it eats up from 50% to 70% of your wages. Unfortunately this hits the poor and middle class the hardest

My question, since government is getting so much money, why are they broke and some even heading into bankruptcy. Obviously costs must be cut, so where? Entitlements, military, our wars, pensions, health and welfare, etc? Where do we start without hurting the people even more and throwing more gas on the fire that is brewing towards rebellion, even revolution?

“Repeated lies are not truth”

Since: Jul 11

8120'

#18 Oct 4, 2011
Jim Em wrote:
Fascism
A political philosophy, movement, or regime that exalts nation and often race and stands for centralized autocratic often militaristic government.
Marian-Websters
Thanks, I haven't heard a better description of the teabag/ultra right wing 'movement' to date.

“I'm From the USA, 5 Years Here”

Since: May 10

Haungshi, China

#19 Oct 4, 2011
Irascible Infidel wrote:
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Thanks, I haven't heard a better description of the teabag/ultra right wing 'movement' to date.
That was not my intention, but now that you mention it, I think you're right.
RepublicansSuck

Pittsburgh, PA

#20 Oct 5, 2011
OccupyTheWorld wrote:
<quoted text>Wrong. In a communist state, the government owns the corporations and uses the money from profits to distribute to the population... I.E. Socialism. Now when the OPPOSITE happens, and the Corporations own the government, which is the case with the Occupy Wall Street movement, that is called Fascism. an Oligarchy, and a Plutocracy. But it MOST CERTAINLY, isn't Communism.. EDUCATE YOURSELF. It beats parroting stupid lines about COMMIES. What, still stuck in the McCarthy era?
It is useless trying to explain the difference between Socialiam, Communism, and Fascism to these people. Those are ' big college words' that go over the head of your average conservative, teabagger, conspiracy theorist, and holy roller.

They only want to hear facts that fit into their 'faith' and conservative ideology.

Since: Aug 07

Location hidden

#21 Oct 5, 2011
Are you kidding? Who's mooching off of whom? The "productive ones in this world" have nothing to share. The government has nothing to give. Put people to work so they can take care of themselves. So far we've losing jobs for decades and you have the belief that people just want to sit around and mooch. Create jobs then everyone can be productive.
nonsilent majority wrote:
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Let's hope all you commie socialist bastards stop mooching off the productive ones in this world and let capitialism, which is the ONLY source of true wealth, return in full bloom.

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