City Council will hold water meeting tonight

Jun 13, 2011 Full story: Texarkana Gazette 35

When the Texarkana, Texas, City Council meets in a special session tonight, it will continue the years-long discussion of regional water needs.

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The Cat

United States

#1 Jun 13, 2011
Anyone going?
jason

Texarkana, TX

#2 Jun 13, 2011
Areas that are fighting for their water rights!
Why the proposed Marvin Nichols Lake on the Sulphur
River is bad for Northeast Texans
LAND LOSSES AND TAXES
Marvin Nichols Lake, the first of the lakes that Dallas-Ft.Worth Planners are trying to force on
Northeast Texans, would destroy over 72,000 acres of farms, ranches, and forest. In addition to
the 72,000 acres, at least another 163,000 acres would be necessary to mitigate the federally
listed "Priority 1" bottomland hardwood forest which would be flooded, according to the Texas
Parks and Wildlife Department and the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service. The impact of Marvin
Nichols would remove at least 235,000 acres from our tax rolls, more land than is in all of
Morris County. This would deprive our schools and counties of revenue. Where would our
schools and counties get the money to replace the lost taxes? Marvin Nichols would force our
school districts and counties to raise taxes on the rest of us. This even though our 50-year water
plan shows that East Texas doesn't need water from Marvin Nichols. However, a few Dallas-
Ft.Worth Planners and some greedy local $pecial interests do want it, and they're trying to sneak
it by the people. Northeast Texans would pay for the privilege to give our water away!
JOB LOSSES AND THE ECONOMY
Marvin Nichols would eliminate many jobs in farming, ranching, logging, and other areas due to
the land taken for the lake. Also badly hurt would be the people who provide goods and services
for the jobs that would be lost, such as feed and seed stores, farm and tractor supply stores, along
with the pulpwood supply for International Paper (IP) at Domino, Texas. According to our own
region's water plan, the Marvin Nichols Lake may force IP to purchase water from the lake to
maintain the required water flow in the Sulphur River below Wright Patman Dam! This added
cost could be the deciding factor in IP choosing our plant as the next one to close.
HOMES AND HISTORY
Marvin Nichols Lake would evict law-abiding, taxpaying and longtime Texans from their homes
and land, destroying a part of the rural heritage of Northeast Texas. Many of the homesteads
have been passed from generation to generation. Marvin Nichols would flood several family
cemeteries and historic Native American sites. Marvin Nichols would destroy one of Texas'
oldest historic sites at the Dalby Homestead, affirmed with a Texas Historical Marker. It would
destroy the home's historic log cabin walls, which date back to before Texas was even a state.
ENVIRONMENT AND WATER QUALITY
Marvin Nichols Lake would affect at least 22 different species listed by the Texas Parks and
Wildlife and the U.S. Department of the Interior as endangered or threatened. Marvin Nichols
Lake would destroy about 30 percent of the remaining bottomland hardwood habitat above
Wright Patman Lake. The loss of such an immense amount of water purifying wetlands could
degrade the water quality in Wright Patman Lake, and pollute the water in our wells.
WHY DALLAS CHOSE MARVIN NICHOLS LAKE
Marvin Nichols Lake is not being planned, nor built, by the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers. The
planners of Dallas-Ft.Worth (DFW) chose Marvin Nichols Lake from their own wish list of 32
proposed lakes. DFW Planners see our land as worthless, except for building a lake for their
wasteful needs. Even though DFW wastes half of its water, more than anywhere else in Texas,
they still want our water even if it does destroy our heritage and our people's livelihoods. DFW
wants to take our water, land, and tax money. In effect, Dallas-Ft.Worth Planners want to waste
all the water they want, take our water rights, and force Northeast Texans to pay dearly for it
Ben

Mifflinburg, PA

#3 Jun 13, 2011
jason wrote:
Areas that are fighting for their water rights!
Why the proposed Marvin Nichols Lake on the Sulphur
River is bad for Northeast Texans
LAND LOSSES AND TAXES
Marvin Nichols Lake, the first of the lakes that Dallas-Ft.Worth Planners are trying to force on
Northeast Texans, would destroy over 72,000 acres of farms, ranches, and forest. In addition to
the 72,000 acres, at least another 163,000 acres would be necessary to mitigate the federally
listed "Priority 1" bottomland hardwood forest which would be flooded, according to the Texas
Parks and Wildlife Department and the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service. The impact of Marvin
Nichols would remove at least 235,000 acres from our tax rolls, more land than is in all of
Morris County. This would deprive our schools and counties of revenue. Where would our
schools and counties get the money to replace the lost taxes? Marvin Nichols would force our
school districts and counties to raise taxes on the rest of us. This even though our 50-year water
plan shows that East Texas doesn't need water from Marvin Nichols. However, a few Dallas-
Ft.Worth Planners and some greedy local $pecial interests do want it, and they're trying to sneak
it by the people. Northeast Texans would pay for the privilege to give our water away!
JOB LOSSES AND THE ECONOMY
Marvin Nichols would eliminate many jobs in farming, ranching, logging, and other areas due to
the land taken for the lake. Also badly hurt would be the people who provide goods and services
for the jobs that would be lost, such as feed and seed stores, farm and tractor supply stores, along
with the pulpwood supply for International Paper (IP) at Domino, Texas. According to our own
region's water plan, the Marvin Nichols Lake may force IP to purchase water from the lake to
maintain the required water flow in the Sulphur River below Wright Patman Dam! This added
cost could be the deciding factor in IP choosing our plant as the next one to close.
HOMES AND HISTORY
Marvin Nichols Lake would evict law-abiding, taxpaying and longtime Texans from their homes
and land, destroying a part of the rural heritage of Northeast Texas. Many of the homesteads
have been passed from generation to generation. Marvin Nichols would flood several family
cemeteries and historic Native American sites. Marvin Nichols would destroy one of Texas'
oldest historic sites at the Dalby Homestead, affirmed with a Texas Historical Marker. It would
destroy the home's historic log cabin walls, which date back to before Texas was even a state.
ENVIRONMENT AND WATER QUALITY
Marvin Nichols Lake would affect at least 22 different species listed by the Texas Parks and
Wildlife and the U.S. Department of the Interior as endangered or threatened. Marvin Nichols
Lake would destroy about 30 percent of the remaining bottomland hardwood habitat above
Wright Patman Lake. The loss of such an immense amount of water purifying wetlands could
degrade the water quality in Wright Patman Lake, and pollute the water in our wells.
WHY DALLAS CHOSE MARVIN NICHOLS LAKE
Marvin Nichols Lake is not being planned, nor built, by the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers. The
planners of Dallas-Ft.Worth (DFW) chose Marvin Nichols Lake from their own wish list of 32
proposed lakes. DFW Planners see our land as worthless, except for building a lake for their
wasteful needs. Even though DFW wastes half of its water, more than anywhere else in Texas,
they still want our water even if it does destroy our heritage and our people's livelihoods. DFW
wants to take our water, land, and tax money. In effect, Dallas-Ft.Worth Planners want to waste
all the water they want, take our water rights, and force Northeast Texans to pay dearly for it
Good! It's about time.
Northeast Texans should pay dearly.
River is good for many in Northeast Texas.
Ben

Mifflinburg, PA

#4 Jun 13, 2011
As I understand it. Bowie county can't afford the law enforcement to protect and serve those of the west end of Bowie county anyhow.

Flood it all. ;')
The Cat

United States

#5 Jun 14, 2011
Sounds like the Arkansas side mayor blasted Sullivan last night.

You've got to love Benjamin Dennis.
Allen

Kopperl, TX

#6 Jun 14, 2011
The Cat wrote:
Sounds like the Arkansas side mayor blasted Sullivan last night.
You've got to love Benjamin Dennis.
Tina Veal-Gooch set the Ark. Mayor down hard while remaining the complete Lady. Good job, Lady!
jason

Texarkana, TX

#7 Jun 14, 2011
It not about Arkansas side blasting Sullivan or Veal-Gooch defending her position. This is about our water rights Texarkana. This is about our representatives on both side representing the best interest of our city. I have a problem when you attend a meeting and the arkansas side is letting the Texas side know what its leadership is doing. Mayo and Sullivan have treated the other council members on a need to know basis only. Hopefully this open dialogue will result in Texarkana best interest truly being represented.

Since: Nov 07

AOL

#8 Jun 14, 2011
Allen wrote:
<quoted text>Tina Veal-Gooch set the Ark. Mayor down hard while remaining the complete Lady. Good job, Lady!
Sounded more to me like he stepped on her toe and she squealed. She and Scott Norton were handpicked.
The Cat

United States

#9 Jun 14, 2011
From what I read in the Gazette, it sounded as if she (Veal-Gooch) stood her ground to me.
Susan

Kopperl, TX

#10 Jun 14, 2011
Government Watch wrote:
<quoted text>Sounded more to me like he stepped on her toe and she squealed. She and Scott Norton were handpicked.
Were you there and did you hear what she said and in what context? You sound like a very bitter and distrustful person.
Allen

Kopperl, TX

#11 Jun 14, 2011
Government Watch wrote:
<quoted text>Sounded more to me like he stepped on her toe and she squealed. She and Scott Norton were handpicked.
Are you aware that she was just RELECTED for another term winning by a large percentage over your boy, LeRoy? The voters have spoken and since you don't live in her ward you need to back off.
Pigboy Crabshaw

Texarkana, TX

#12 Jun 14, 2011
Mayor Smith is my new hero. He came, he saw and he conquered. He kicked every butt that needed kicking. The biggest butt he kicked was Sullivan's. Word has it that Sullivan sat on a butt donut all day and that Tuna Gooch would come in every 15 minutes to kiss it in the hopes of making it feel better but to no avail. The doctors(the real kind)are now saying it could be weeks before Sullivan's butt is back to normal. One specialist said it's had been a long time since he had seen a butt chewed worse than Sullivan's.

The Pigster
jason

Whitney, TX

#13 Jun 14, 2011
This is a regional water issue..not Texas vs Arkansas.

Mayo has lost almost all creditability..Sullivan never had it. You know the movie Madagascar..that is how all the business owners in the town think toward them.. Just smile and wave boys just smile and wave! Giving our water rights away will be a nail in the coffin for long term economic growth. Texarkana, your are not selling Dallas your water..they are taking it and you will never get it back! With the new interstate system coming here..Dallas is our direct competition for business growth. The Arkansas mayor said everthing that is on business owners mind and then some. He just needs to learn to tone it down a bit, then again if he wasn't so passionate he wouldn't be asking the appropriate questions.

When both city manager presented to the rotary club last year..Harold boldt's speech left you knowing exactly what Arkansas sides plan were.

Sullivans presentation was alot more analytical with cool graphs and stuff..but you left there not knowing anything about the cities long term plan.
Dale

New Boston, TX

#14 Jun 14, 2011
Allen wrote:
<quoted text>Tina Veal-Gooch set the Ark. Mayor down hard while remaining the complete Lady. Good job, Lady!
She got offended when Smith spoke the truth about her being Sullivan's puppet. Yes Gooch, you are a puppet, and you will be called one as long as you act as such. It's time to redeem yourself and start working for the citizens not an egotistical former school superintendent.
Another Transplant

Texarkana, TX

#15 Jun 15, 2011
So let's see: TX has puppets, a momma's boy, and an old lady with a script. AR has a screaming, rude, unprofessional Haak picked candidates. We can demonize and villify people all we want. We have elected officials who have jobs to do and should work together. It's going to be tough to get them to work together when there is little evidence that Mayor Smith can be civil or professional. He may or may not be right but he doesn't garner much respect with his school yard antics. It is amazing that his You Tube rants mention his Christianity. What Church teaches that kind of behavior?
Let's wake up and realize that this behavior is hurting our community-that's if you believe Texarkana, Nash, Wake Village and others comprise a community.
Danny

Texarkana, TX

#16 Jun 15, 2011
It seems to me that it is mostly the Texas side mayor, manager and boardmembers that are pushing for this Riverbend deal. It looks like the regular folks around are more supportive of a new plant at the New Boston Rd location for more than half the price and without all the strings attached (I have a feeling it has not yet been revealed what all of the "strings attached" consists of). If a new plant at the New Boston Rd location can accomodate Red River even if it means adding updated/better water lines to them for less than half the price of a plant a Red River without strings attached...why in the world would that not be the way to go?..... Let's see..... new plant with updated lines for less than half the price and without all the mystery strings attached.... sounds like a better deal to me. So then Red River could get the water as needed with out the plant out there, right?
Danny

Texarkana, TX

#17 Jun 15, 2011
Another thought... what if Red River could just become another "member city" so to speak.... Why does the plant need to be out there? Sound fishy?
Danny

Texarkana, TX

#18 Jun 15, 2011
Susan wrote:
<quoted text>Were you there and did you hear what she said and in what context? You sound like a very bitter and distrustful person.
It sounds like their observation... your comment sounds more bitter to me.
Another Transplant

Texarkana, TX

#19 Jun 15, 2011
In one of the public meetings, the presentation showed at least 3 and maybe 4 potential sites for a new water treatment plant. In light of Mr. King's statements about the problems around the current intake, there shouldn't be any argument that the intake needs to be moved to a deeper part of the lake. What happens to the cost of a New Boston Road plant if the intake is moved? Was that considered in the study with the New Boston Rd plant as the only option? Is the real question whether Texarkana AR will own some part of a new plant?
Gosh, I'm going to miss this place when I'm moved. I hope my new hometown has conspiracy theorists.
Danny

Texarkana, TX

#20 Jun 15, 2011
If I remember correctly there have studies already performed that addressed these concerns. There will probably be as much or more spent on studies and consultants before it all said and done than for the plant itself, a big chunk anyway.... It seems like those still getting studies performed just don't like what the studies that are already performed said... Just looks that way.

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