Anyone thinking about moving to Utah?

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Since: Nov 10

Mifflinburg, PA

#1 Jan 21, 2013
In the most strident warning over gun control to President Obama yet, the Utah Sheriffs' Association is pledging to go to war over any administration plan to take guns away, even if it means losing their lives.

Calling the Second Amendment a sacred right of citizens to protect themselves from "tyrannical subjugation," the association state elected sheriffs said in a new letter, "we are prepared to trade our lives for the preservation of its traditional interpretation."

Theirs is the first meaningful proof that some in law enforcement and the military are preparing to fight federal forces if the president wins his goal of sweeping gun control.

In a direct warning to Obama, the FBI and other agencies, the sheriffs wrote: "Make no mistake, as the duly-elected sheriffs our our respective counties, we will enforce the rights guaranteed to our citizens by the Constitution. No federal official will be permitted to descend upon our constituents and take from them what the Bill of Rights--in particular Amendment II--has given them."

BRAVO!!!
pah leese

Nash, TX

#2 Jan 21, 2013
i have not heard a single speech given by the current administration that said "we are going to descend upon your homes and take from you". this is nothing but right wing extremist rush limbaugh hate mongering rhetoric.

too much ABC Last Resort
too much A&E Doomsday Preppers
too much CMT Guntucky and Swamp Pawn
pah leese

Nash, TX

#3 Jan 21, 2013
GOP should have been spending its time better passing earlier legistlation in the House to help Hurricane Sandy victims. instead they made themselves look like heels by denying the assistance vote, delaying the vote by a couple weeks, and only passing a small portion of the vote to assist New Jersey and New York families in a time of charitable need. so they are trying to ramp up this issue beyond reasonable concern to cover for their callous disregard for people in a time of tragedy by doing what they do best, namely name calling and causing divisional panic to maintain control over the masses. that kind of thinking is what lost them the election and the cliff debate. you would think they would learn.
Tom Horn

United States

#4 Jan 21, 2013
pah leese wrote:
i have not heard a single speech given by the current administration that said "we are going to descend upon your homes and take from you". this is nothing but right wing extremist rush limbaugh hate mongering rhetoric.
too much ABC Last Resort
too much A&E Doomsday Preppers
too much CMT Guntucky and Swamp Pawn
Don't watch the aforementioned trash, nor do I listen to Limbaugh. But I'm not so naive as to believe that this administration has pure motives as it relates to firearms. Take off those blinders.
pah leese

Nash, TX

#6 Jan 21, 2013
if the government was out to get your firearms, what are you as an individual going to do against an armed national military?

too much Patrick Swayze in Red Dawn
Tom Horn

United States

#7 Jan 21, 2013
pah leese wrote:
if the government was out to get your firearms, what are you as an individual going to do against an armed national military?
too much Patrick Swayze in Red Dawn
The same thing my forebears did at Lexington and Concord. And I don't think I'll be alone.
pah leese

Nash, TX

#8 Jan 21, 2013
you would not be near as organized as an established military. best case scenerio for you, even if you could go all Rambo on the situation, it would just be a matter of time before they took you. i think you realize that on some level.

too much Stallone in Rambo I, II, III... etc.

Since: Jul 10

Texarkana, AR

#9 Jan 21, 2013
pah leese wrote:
if the government was out to get your firearms, what are you as an individual going to do against an armed national military?
too much Patrick Swayze in Red Dawn
Don't forget that today, it is very easy to find out where just about any one lives. Property tax rolls and public information is easily accessed.

How many cops or soldiers do you think are going to be ready to go get other folks guns, when their wive/children are at home alone?

BTW, it is illegal for any peace officer in Texas to confiscate firearms or ammunition which is held legally by any individual.

http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/tlodocs/80R/bi...
Tom Horn

United States

#10 Jan 21, 2013
pah leese wrote:
you would not be near as organized as an established military. best case scenerio for you, even if you could go all Rambo on the situation, it would just be a matter of time before they took you. i think you realize that on some level.
too much Stallone in Rambo I, II, III... etc.
Not a Stallone fan. Too much testosterone. Not enough reality. I'm well aware of the likely outcome. So be it.
pah leese

Nash, TX

#11 Jan 21, 2013
you should watch more westerns. many a man gets caught up in the heat of the moment on a notion. then thinks better of it. learns to live with a little less out of life than what they want but learns to live longer nonetheless. thats a far better comfort after the fact than going down in a misguided blaze of no glory.

too much Emilio Estevez and Kiefer Sutherland in Young Guns 1, 2... and the tv series too much of that in your thinking as well. never ends well for the cowboys that hold up in the last confrontation.
pah leese

Nash, TX

#12 Jan 21, 2013
forgot Charlie Sheen, he was in Young Guns 1, wasnt much of a winner halfway through though
Tom Horn

United States

#13 Jan 21, 2013
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TE who="pah leese"]forgot Charlie Sheen, he was in Young Guns 1, wasnt much of a winner halfway through though[/QUOTE]
Sorry to disappoint but I wouldn't piss on any of them if they were on fire. Never saw those works of art. And you watch way too much TV/movies.
pah leese

Nash, TX

#14 Jan 21, 2013
way too much TV/movies not to get paid for it, i agree
Old Valley Girl

Cleburne, TX

#15 Jan 21, 2013
Tom Horn wrote:
In the most strident warning over gun control to President Obama yet, the Utah Sheriffs' Association is pledging to go to war over any administration plan to take guns away, even if it means losing their lives.

Calling the Second Amendment a sacred right of citizens to protect themselves from "tyrannical subjugation," the association state elected sheriffs said in a new letter, "we are prepared to trade our lives for the preservation of its traditional interpretation."

Theirs is the first meaningful proof that some in law enforcement and the military are preparing to fight federal forces if the president wins his goal of sweeping gun control.

In a direct warning to Obama, the FBI and other agencies, the sheriffs wrote: "Make no mistake, as the duly-elected sheriffs our our respective counties, we will enforce the rights guaranteed to our citizens by the Constitution. No federal official will be permitted to descend upon our constituents and take from them what the Bill of Rights--in particular Amendment II--has given them."

BRAVO!!!
Tom, I've just called U-Haul and arranged for a truck to be at your house tomorrow at 6 am to carry you and your junk to Salt Lake City. It was nice knowing you! LOL!!!

Since: Nov 10

Whitney, TX

#16 Jan 22, 2013
farronwolf wrote:
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Don't forget that today, it is very easy to find out where just about any one lives. Property tax rolls and public information is easily accessed.
How many cops or soldiers do you think are going to be ready to go get other folks guns, when their wive/children are at home alone?
BTW, it is illegal for any peace officer in Texas to confiscate firearms or ammunition which is held legally by any individual.
http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/tlodocs/80R/bi...
Plus this:
AUSTIN – State Rep. Steve Toth (R-The Woodlands) has begun the process to file legislation assisting the protection of the Second Amendment of the United State Constitution.

The “Firearms Protection Act” bill would make any federal law banning semi-automatic firearms or limiting the size of gun magazines unenforceable within the state’s boundaries. Anyone trying to enforce a federal gun ban could face felony charges under the proposal.

“We can no longer depend on the Federal Government and this Administration to uphold a Constitution that they no longer believe in. The liberties of the People of Texas and the sovereignty of our State are too important to just let the Federal Government take them away. The overreach of the federal administrations executive orders that are do not align with the Constitution, are not very popular here in Texas,” said Toth.

Along with Wyoming, Texas will lead the country in continuing to stand for the sovereignty to run Texas as Texans see fit while exercising the Bill of Rights Amendments 2& 10 to “prevent misconstruction or abuse of its powers …[to] extending the ground of public confidence in the Government.”

Since: Nov 10

Whitney, TX

#17 Jan 22, 2013
From todays Denver Post:

"Sheriff John Cooke in Weld County told the Greeley Tribune last week that he was "not going to help [President Obama] in any way" with his gun-control proposals. "I'm not going to enforce it because it's unenforceable and because I don't have the resources. The federal government doesn't have the resources."

Larimer County Sheriff Justin Smith was similarly vehement on his Facebook page last week, charging that "the only possible way to achieve 'universal background checks' for private transactions of lawfully-owned firearms is to register every single firearm in existence in our nation.... That same government which all too often has failed to enforce the current laws against criminal predators will then start to discriminately target and prosecute law-abiding Americans who are simply exercising their constitutionally recognized right to keep and bear arms."

And Smith announced he would not enforce "unconstitutional federal laws."
tanftx

Texarkana, TX

#18 Jan 22, 2013
If the federal government gives Sheriff Cooke adequate resources and instructions to do so, then he should do as instructed or be fired from his position.

As for County Sheriff Smith, he is not in Congress, nor is he the President, nor is he a Supreme Court justice. He is a small time county sheriff and needs to remember his place on the food chain.

As for Toth and his politician like, that just bipartisan division. They dont like a black in the wood pile so they are siding against anything and everything he proposes. The sovereignty of Texas does not rest upon the ability of every hair trigger whack job having access to unlimited ammo magazine rounds. He is just puffing up his chest talking big to get votes and donation money from nut buckets hiding in their storm shelters for the next big one.
tanftx

Texarkana, TX

#19 Jan 22, 2013
I have yet to see a list of ten simple reasons why an average person would have need for unlimited magazine rounds. All this talk about the need and right to own ungodly amounts of ammunition and firepower, and yet no simple list of legitimate reasons.
tanftx

Texarkana, TX

#20 Jan 22, 2013
I have yet to see anyone in these debates repost the exact full content of the second amendment so we can all review it in its accurate entirety. That way we are certain people are not pulling phrases from it out of context.
tanftx

Texarkana, TX

#21 Jan 22, 2013
I have yet to see a news interview where a kindergarden, grade school, middle school, high school teacher expresses enthusiasm over the proposition of letting them carry a loaded weapon in a classroom. If they were jumping at the chance to bring a gun into class I would be a little concerned about their misguided enthusiasm.

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