See how.....Texas can secede from the US

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texas gal

Ralls, TX

#1 Nov 4, 2008

Since: May 08

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#2 Nov 5, 2008
texas gal wrote:
http://www.texassecede.com/faq .asp
This is interesting!

Since: Nov 07

AOL

#3 Nov 9, 2008
Texas has always had that option. It was put in the agreement when they joined the U.S.

Since: May 08

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#4 Nov 10, 2008
Government Watch wrote:
Texas has always had that option. It was put in the agreement when they joined the U.S.
I wonder what Obama and the rest of the federal government would do if the state of Texas decided to secede?
Retake us!
That is the history of this country.
In the beginning the Indians opened their arms to pilgrims.
From there we take what we pleased.

Just as with this state. We stole it also!
It is in the "nature" of the US citizen to just take.
Could the state of Texas hold it's own as a country?
Could Texas do away with the North American Trade Agreement and move on? That was a hello of a Bush mistake!

Ross Perot warned us of the agreement.
Seems he was right.
I voted for him.
People of this country made a mistake by not electing him at the time.
Then the people of this country have been making that same mistake for far too many elections. JMO!
The Lurker

Texarkana, TX

#5 Nov 10, 2008
Once again this myth rears it's head ... don't believe everything you read online or hear in a bar.

The matter was decided long ago by the U.S. SUpreme Court.

Texas v. White, 74 U.S. 700 (1869) was argued before the United States Supreme Court in 1869. The Court held in a 53 decision that Texas had remained a state of the United States ever since it first joined the Union, despite its joining the Confederate States of America and its being under military rule at the time of the decision in the case. It further held that the Constitution did not permit states to secede from the United States, and that the ordinances of secession, and all the acts of the legislatures within seceding states intended to give effect to such ordinances, were "absolutely null."

In other words, any previous pacts, agreements or such have no standing.

Since: Nov 07

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#6 Nov 10, 2008
Wounded wrote:
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I wonder what Obama and the rest of the federal government would do if the state of Texas decided to secede?
Retake us!
That is the history of this country.
In the beginning the Indians opened their arms to pilgrims.
From there we take what we pleased.
Just as with this state. We stole it also!
It is in the "nature" of the US citizen to just take.
Could the state of Texas hold it's own as a country?
Could Texas do away with the North American Trade Agreement and move on? That was a hello of a Bush mistake!
Ross Perot warned us of the agreement.
Seems he was right.
I voted for him.
People of this country made a mistake by not electing him at the time.
Then the people of this country have been making that same mistake for far too many elections. JMO!
The indians took the land from other indians before we go here. That is the way the world has always been. The most able to survive usually takes the area. It`s not bad or good. Thats just the way it is.

Since: Nov 07

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#7 Nov 10, 2008
The Lurker wrote:
Once again this myth rears it's head ... don't believe everything you read online or hear in a bar.
The matter was decided long ago by the U.S. SUpreme Court.
Texas v. White, 74 U.S. 700 (1869) was argued before the United States Supreme Court in 1869. The Court held in a 53 decision that Texas had remained a state of the United States ever since it first joined the Union, despite its joining the Confederate States of America and its being under military rule at the time of the decision in the case. It further held that the Constitution did not permit states to secede from the United States, and that the ordinances of secession, and all the acts of the legislatures within seceding states intended to give effect to such ordinances, were "absolutely null."
In other words, any previous pacts, agreements or such have no standing.
That is not the first stupid dicision made by the Supreme Court.
Hellcat

Hudson, OH

#8 Nov 10, 2008
The Lurker wrote:
Once again this myth rears it's head ... don't believe everything you read online or hear in a bar.
The matter was decided long ago by the U.S. SUpreme Court.
Texas v. White, 74 U.S. 700 (1869) was argued before the United States Supreme Court in 1869. The Court held in a 53 decision that Texas had remained a state of the United States ever since it first joined the Union, despite its joining the Confederate States of America and its being under military rule at the time of the decision in the case. It further held that the Constitution did not permit states to secede from the United States, and that the ordinances of secession, and all the acts of the legislatures within seceding states intended to give effect to such ordinances, were "absolutely null."

In other words, any previous pacts, agreements or such have no standing.
:)

Since: May 08

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#9 Nov 10, 2008
Government Watch wrote:
<quoted text>
The indians took the land from other indians before we go here. That is the way the world has always been. The most able to survive usually takes the area. It`s not bad or good. Thats just the way it is.
Then why do people gripe about the things Bush has done?
They should be happy!
It's not bad or good. That's just the way it is.
Right?
Dwayne

Texarkana, TX

#10 Nov 10, 2008
Maybe it can't succede, but Texas (or actually its residents) do retain the right to break the state up into not more than 4 MORE divisions. That right remains and was not undone by the civil war like the other one.

So heres a plan....

Lets separate off East Texas, we could draw the line this side of the lake outside Dallas. You know that is the best part of Texas anyway, where the trees grow. We could have a couple of more Senators (boy wouldnt that shake em up) and a few congressal seats.



Carl

Irving, TX

#11 Nov 26, 2008
The best way to secede these days is to get the US Congress to sign off on it. Things are a lot different from before, so I don't think we'll have any trouble getting them to do that this time. They don't like us! This sets up a great situation.

Get Pelosi and Reid to push it through Congress--they will absolutely drool over a major stumbling block to their Left Coast socialist policies being removed from the USA!

I think the "Come and Take It" plan is a last resort. No one wnats to see anyone get hurt. Best is to just ask politely for now. I think the answer will be favorable!

See if Barney Frank won't agree. Never thought we'd be in league with Barney, Nancy and Harry, but these guys would support our cause! What about Feinstein and Boxer. Those girls would jump at the chance to be rid of us!!
Ed Yung P E

AOL

#12 Jan 16, 2009
We MUST announce to Obama & his Radical left "Socialism or bust" (& it wouldDestroy this great country) that we do want to secede.
We MUST try to force it !!!!!!!!!!
I know the court ruling says no, but it also says no to mst of what the DumBocrats havebeen doing & are determined to continue.
EY
DeeplyConcerned

Japan

#13 Jan 22, 2010
There is no reason for Texas or any other state to secede and to do so would naught but utterly ruin the seceding state's economy and significantly damage the national economy.
By what means could anyone come to the conclusion that withdrawing from a Union would benefit them more than attempting to improve the Union?
Is the US not a democratic nation? If you have such a problem with it's government, why not go out and VOTE for a change?

Since: Nov 07

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#14 Jan 22, 2010
DeeplyConcerned wrote:
There is no reason for Texas or any other state to secede and to do so would naught but utterly ruin the seceding state's economy and significantly damage the national economy.
By what means could anyone come to the conclusion that withdrawing from a Union would benefit them more than attempting to improve the Union?
Is the US not a democratic nation? If you have such a problem with it's government, why not go out and VOTE for a change?
I don`t think Texas will secede, but If you check, Texas has a better economy and better credit than the United States does right now.
Wounded

AOL

#15 Jan 22, 2010
DeeplyConcerned wrote:
There is no reason for Texas or any other state to secede and to do so would naught but utterly ruin the seceding state's economy and significantly damage the national economy.
By what means could anyone come to the conclusion that withdrawing from a Union would benefit them more than attempting to improve the Union?
Is the US not a democratic nation? If you have such a problem with it's government, why not go out and VOTE for a change?
I agree with the above post.
Many have spoken about Texas seceding to me and it dosen't make a lick of sense.
Yet ever allowing Lockhart become a Texas dosen't either.
" why not go out and VOTE for a change?"
That is just what I will do. ;')

“My Bad! Just hold me. ”

Since: Aug 07

Orion's Belt

#16 Jan 22, 2010
Say folk in TX, are you aware of this?
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/hotstorie...

Sorry to be a tad off topic, but couldn't find a thread to put this on.

Would believe your state is going 'martial law'.

Since: Jan 10

Texarkana, AR

#17 Jan 22, 2010
Seems like a lot of people commenting haven't really looked at the many aspects of a state such as Texas, a formerly independent nation, seceding from the USA. Could it be done? Well sure, if the people had a mind to. Is it provided for in the Texas Constitution, or the articles of annexation? Well no, not specifically. There is no line that declares Texas may secede at will but then again there is no line forbiding it either. Of course ther is the line in the Texas constitution that delcares that Texas is a free and independent state subject only to the constitutuion, and since the constitution does not disallow a state the right to secede, then yes, Texas can legaly secede. I believe the rumor always starts with someone saying that Texas can secede because it is provided for in their constitution, but in reality it is the lack of any such language that gives them the right. Many states have specific clauses about such a topic and others are sbject to the President, the congress, or the will of the collective states. Texas is as far as I know, the only one subject soley to the constitution of the United States. Now to the question of why Texas may secede. This I must admit is a struggle for me because there is nothing that would break my heart more than to see the dissolution of my USA, however I heard an analogy once that helped me quite a bit. Think of a ship taking on water, and when the ship is sinking beyond the ability to be pumped, you better jump for the life boat. Well the Nation is the ship, Texas is her fanciest life boat. When the call is made and by what sign is the call sounded I believe will decide the fate of such a venture. As to the odd supreme court ruling, that one is a head scratcher. The supreme court decided that the state of Texas had not seceded from the union during the civil war and therefore were not in need of re-admittance, as some of the other rebel states had. Of course then two years later President Grant signed an act entitling Texas to congressional representation, readmitting them to the union. Of course both can not be logically or legaly correct, so on this one we have an impass. Now to the more practical sense of would Texas be able to? Hell yeah! We have natural resources, a strong economy, ports for trade. We are better positioned than any other state if the need for secession arises. In closing I would like to clearly state that I am not for the secession of Texas at this time, but would certainly jump on board should the time come. I am proud to be an American, but my next highest badge of honor is being a Texan.
TXSBoy

San Antonio, TX

#18 Jan 22, 2010
The Lurker wrote:
Once again this myth rears it's head ... don't believe everything you read online or hear in a bar.
The matter was decided long ago by the U.S. SUpreme Court.
Texas v. White, 74 U.S. 700 (1869) was argued before the United States Supreme Court in 1869. The Court held in a 53 decision that Texas had remained a state of the United States ever since it first joined the Union, despite its joining the Confederate States of America and its being under military rule at the time of the decision in the case. It further held that the Constitution did not permit states to secede from the United States, and that the ordinances of secession, and all the acts of the legislatures within seceding states intended to give effect to such ordinances, were "absolutely null."
In other words, any previous pacts, agreements or such have no standing.
Of course the invading government would make laws and bills saying everything they did was alright. The US Supreme Court may have passed bills that say "states can't secede" and such, but the people and governement of Texas never agreed to these terms or had any input in them. They were invaded and forced to rejoin the Union, but in reality who cares? The point is that if Texas wanted secede and take a few other states with it, they could. Just because it is illegal does not mean that it is not possible for it to be done.
DeeplyConcerned wrote:
There is no reason for Texas or any other state to secede and to do so would naught but utterly ruin the seceding state's economy and significantly damage the national economy.
By what means could anyone come to the conclusion that withdrawing from a Union would benefit them more than attempting to improve the Union?
Is the US not a democratic nation? If you have such a problem with it's government, why not go out and VOTE for a change?
I dont know if we should secede from the union, but we could survive and be all right without it. The only thing stopping us is the lack of a well supplied and organized military. We have enough farms to feed everyone in the state, we have enough oil rigs and oil refineries to supply us with oil forever, we have auto plants, textile plants, Shiner and Blue Bell. We would be just fine.

Since: Jan 10

Texarkana, AR

#19 Jan 22, 2010
Shiner and Blue Bell? Ah, spoken like a true Texan. Good call TXSBoy.

Since: Jan 10

Texarkana, AR

#20 Jan 22, 2010
Oh and deeply concerned....No, we are not a democracy, we are a republic.

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