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#127 Jan 13, 2013
The truth will out.

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#128 Jan 13, 2013
GaiusCaligula wrote:
Sgt. Sid you make valid points.
If the murders weren't committed under delusion, then what was the motive? Sane people don't just do things like that without a reason - usually the oldest reasons: love, money or revenge.
Unfortunately, I don't think we'll ever know the motive since everything is sealed. Even if Rachel wants to talk someday, her plea agreement may forbid it. For instance, if she were to somehow implicate this Epps individual, the court may see that as her denying that she is as culpable as her plea deal dictates. Plea bargains usually have stipulations regarding the admitted amount of responsibility for the crime. She essentially gives up her right to a defense or claim of innocence. So, unless a reliable source close to Pittman comes forward with the motive, I'm afraid we'll be left with these questions. Too bad. I was looking forward to the Lifetime movie.
Another Friend

Duluth, GA

#129 Jan 13, 2013
Sgt Sid wrote:
<quoted text>Unfortunately, I don't think we'll ever know the motive since everything is sealed. Even if Rachel wants to talk someday, her plea agreement may forbid it. For instance, if she were to somehow implicate this Epps individual, the court may see that as her denying that she is as culpable as her plea deal dictates. Plea bargains usually have stipulations regarding the admitted amount of responsibility for the crime. She essentially gives up her right to a defense or claim of innocence. So, unless a reliable source close to Pittman comes forward with the motive, I'm afraid we'll be left with these questions. Too bad. I was looking forward to the Lifetime movie.
Will knows the motive.

Will knows, too, that this was not a spur of the moment thing ... It was planned out. Calculated.

Those who love the victims' family prayed daily that God would place so much guilt on the heart of the murderer so the he/she could not but confess. Prayer is a powerful thing. Those same people prayed daily for her to change her plea to guilty in order to spare both families the pain of a trial. Now those people pray for the victims' family to somehow find closure, peace, and healing which seem almost impossible.
United States Cat

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#130 Jan 13, 2013
What was in yesterday's paper.

Teen pleads guilty to murders
• Pittman to serve 2 life sentences for killing family
By: Paige Alexander - Texarkana Gazette

Rachel Nichole Pittman will be almost 50 years old before she is eligible for parole from a Texas prison.

Pittman, 18, pleaded guilty to two counts of first-degree murder Friday in the deaths of Amanda Doss, 34, and her children, Texas Johnson, 8, and Guinevere Doss, 11, of Redwater.

Judge Leon Pesek Jr. of the 202nd District Court sentenced Pittman to two life sentences to run concurrently during a hearing at the Bi-State Justice Building in Texarkana. She will not be eligible for parole for 30 years, and will be given credit for time already served.

Pittman waived all appeals, and a box containing evidence of the crimes was sealed.

Few details have been released about the crimes, but Pittman was a Doss family friend. No motive was offered as to why Pittman stabbed the family in their Redwater home, then set it on fire to cover the crimes. Pittman, the Prewetts and Doss lived near each other on Farm to Market Road 991 outside Redwater.

Doss’ parents, Glen and Wanda Prewett, rushed to their daughter’s home in the early hours of May 11, 2011, after receiving a call from Guinevere screaming for her mother. The house was engulfed, and the Prewetts tried to pull their family from the fire.

Pittman was arrested Aug. 13, 2011. She was later certified as an adult and indicted on two counts of capital murder and one count of first-degree murder. The teenager was set for trial Monday in Henderson, Texas, for the capital murder charges. Her plea means she will serve time for all three victims.

Pittman would have avoided the death penalty because she was 16 when she stabbed Doss and her children in their Redwater home. In Texas, juveniles cannot be sentenced to death for capital murder. Her lawyers had planned to mount an insanity defense.

Pittman, dressed in an orange prison jumpsuit and shackled, cried at times during Friday’s hearing, and took the stand to acknowledge she agreed to the plea deal of her own will.

Tonda Curry, one of Pittman’s Longview, Texas, defense attorneys, asked Pittman if she and her counsel talked about a plea deal after a court hearing held earlier in the week.

Pittman softly said they had, and after looking at crime scene photos of the victims during the meeting, Pittman testified she was ready for a deal.

The teenager testified she agreed to a plea deal because she risked conviction of capital murder, which would have made her eligible for parole in 40 years.

The Bowie County District Attorney’s Office issued a statement after the hearing, expressing relief the case is over and the family was spared a trial.

“Our hearts and prayers go out to the families and we hope this brings them closure and some sense of justice,” it said.

Clifton “Scrappy” Holmes, one of Pittman’s attorneys, said after the hearing the resolution was the one that ought to have occurred under the circumstances.

“There were absolutely horrible facts in this case,” he said.

After sentencing, Doss’ parents, Glen and Wanda Prewett, read victim impact statements. At times, Pittman would cry and look down while the Prewetts addressed her.

They placed a large photograph of the Doss family on an
United States Cat

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#131 Jan 13, 2013
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easel directly in Pittman’s view. In the photo, the family wore big smiles and Easter clothes: Amanda Doss had on a black-and-white dress and matching hat; Guinevere wore a pink dress and matching hat; and Texas wore a suit.

The Prewetts wore matching T-shirts bearing a photo of the family.

As Glen Prewett placed the photograph on the easel, he asked Pittman if she remembered the family.

“Amanda trusted you and befriended you ... you were there coloring Easter eggs with Amanda, Guinevere, Texas and Wanda and me,” he said through tears.

Glen Prewett told of how he would never see his daughter and grandchildren again, and how the family had saved for a trip to England they planned to take the summer his family was murdered.

He told Pittman his daughter was not there to make dinners, including ones to take to Pittman. She would buy Pittman souvenirs when she traveled, and had her mother hire Pittman to clean her house so Pittman would have extra spending money, he said.

Glenn Prewett reminded Pittman of sharing a Thanksgiving meal with his family.

“She never knew you were evil,” he said.

Glenn Prewett said he knows he will be reunited with his family in heaven, but Pittman robbed him of sharing time on earth with his loved ones.

“You, Rachel, you took the joy out of living,” he said.

Wanda Prewett told Pittman she not only robbed her of her only daughter, but also her best friend.

“We worked together every day for the last seven years. We took vacations together. They would eat at my house every night,” she said.

Wanda Prewett told Pittman she lives each day with the vision of finding her daughter in a pool of blood.

“There is a void in my heart only Amanda could fill ... I keep asking myself why was my daughter taken from me,” she said.

Wanda Prewett talked of her daughter’s big heart and giving spirit, from flying to Washington, D.C., to meet with servicemen at Walter Reed hospital to volunteering to donate a kidney to a friend in need.

Her grandchildren were her world, and Wanda Prewett said she would take the children to school, church and after-school activities such as Boy Scouts and Girl Scouts. The family would take presents to the Baptist Orphanage monthly to celebrate birthdays, and Guinevere requested money for holiday gifts be given to her so she could spend it on the orphans.

Pittman stole not only her family, but also her daughter’s legacy, she said.

Amanda’s trusting spirit made her vulnerable, Wanda Prewett told Pittman.

“She let you sleep on her couch when you would run away from home. She was a friend to you, Rachel,” she said.

Wanda Prewett told Pittman when she found Guinevere the morning she died, her granddaughter was covered in blood and on fire.

“Her skin had split open from the heat ... when I tried to lift her up, her skin peeled off under my fingernails,” she said.

Wanda Prewett said she can still smell the burning flesh, and held out her arms to show the scars she has from the severe burns she suffered that night.

“These scars are a constant reminder of how desperate I was to save her,” she said.

Wanda Prewett told Pittman that Texas had just turned 8 when Pittman killed him.

“Do you know how small a coffin is needed when a child is only 8? There was no way to embalm him because his body was so badly burned,” she said.

The children’s Easter attire still hangs in her closet, and a bicycle and go-cart sit idly at the Prewett home, she said.

“Evil walked into Amanda’s house—evil disguised as a friend. Now she is shackled like the monstrous animal she is.”

palexander@texarkanagazette.co m

Published: 01/12/2013
United States Cat

United States

#132 Jan 13, 2013
editorial in today's

Missing Motive
Rachel Pittman’s guilty plea to first-degree murder brought an end to case, but questions remain


The horror story may have concluded Friday, but the ending does not answer the main question. Then again, nothing ever can meet the human need to understand.

Rachel Pittman, a Redwater, Texas, teen pleaded guilty Friday to two counts of first-degree murder in return for which she was sentenced to two terms of 30 years each, to be served concurrently.

Pittman was charged with two counts of capital murder for the May 2011 killings of Amanda Doss, 34, and Doss’ daughter, Guinevere, 11, at their Redwater home. Pittman, a juvenile at the time of the killings, also was charged with first-degree murder for killing Doss’ son, Texas, 8.

The plea bargain covers all three victims, who were stabbed and their home set afire to cover the crime.

Pittman, 18 now, will have to serve the 30 years before she can be eligible for parole.

As part of the plea agreement, Pittman waives all appeals and the case file is sealed.

Family members of the victims agreed to the arrangement, which was offered by Pittman’s defense team just days before her capital murder trial was set to begin in Rusk County.

The crime horrified residents of Bowie County and surrounding areas and went unsolved for three months until Pittman’s mother contacted the sheriff, saying she had information on the deaths.

Part of the horror was attributable to the discovery of the crime by Doss’ parents—Guinevere’s and Texas’ grandparents—when they responded to a frantic call from Guinevere. They were burned badly trying to get their family members out of the burning house.

That children were victims contributed to the horror.

That the confessed killer was barely more than a child herself increases the revulsion.

The latter does the most to make people wonder. People want to know why. What made a youngster befriended by the victims turn on them?

If a motive was to be part of the prosecution, we will get no answer.

Officials are not saying. Their lips are sealed with the case file.

Maybe someday the file will be opened. Maybe not.

The information could put an end to speculation. But we cannot say it would help anyone understand why. Some behavior we are not meant to comprehend.

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#133 Jan 13, 2013
I don't know about anyone else, but I feel like I'm about to be sick after reading that.
Info

Ephrata, PA

#134 Jan 13, 2013
GaiusCaligula wrote:
I don't know about anyone else, but I feel like I'm about to be sick after reading that.
Yea, u.s. kitty has that effect on a lot of people.
Another Friend

Duluth, GA

#135 Jan 13, 2013
United States Cat wrote:
editorial in today's

Missing Motive
Rachel PittmanÂ’s guilty plea to first-degree murder brought an end to case, but questions remain


The horror story may have concluded Friday, but the ending does not answer the main question. Then again, nothing ever can meet the human need to understand.

Rachel Pittman, a Redwater, Texas, teen pleaded guilty Friday to two counts of first-degree murder in return for which she was sentenced to two terms of 30 years each, to be served concurrently.

Pittman was charged with two counts of capital murder for the May 2011 killings of Amanda Doss, 34, and DossÂ’ daughter, Guinevere, 11, at their Redwater home. Pittman, a juvenile at the time of the killings, also was charged with first-degree murder for killing DossÂ’ son, Texas, 8.

The plea bargain covers all three victims, who were stabbed and their home set afire to cover the crime.

Pittman, 18 now, will have to serve the 30 years before she can be eligible for parole.

As part of the plea agreement, Pittman waives all appeals and the case file is sealed.

Family members of the victims agreed to the arrangement, which was offered by PittmanÂ’s defense team just days before her capital murder trial was set to begin in Rusk County.

The crime horrified residents of Bowie County and surrounding areas and went unsolved for three months until PittmanÂ’s mother contacted the sheriff, saying she had information on the deaths.

Part of the horror was attributable to the discovery of the crime by Doss’ parents—Guinevere’s and Texas’ grandparents—when they responded to a frantic call from Guinevere. They were burned badly trying to get their family members out of the burning house.

That children were victims contributed to the horror.

That the confessed killer was barely more than a child herself increases the revulsion.

The latter does the most to make people wonder. People want to know why. What made a youngster befriended by the victims turn on them?

If a motive was to be part of the prosecution, we will get no answer.

Officials are not saying. Their lips are sealed with the case file.

Maybe someday the file will be opened. Maybe not.

The information could put an end to speculation. But we cannot say it would help anyone understand why. Some behavior we are not meant to comprehend.

Published: 01/13/2013
Thanks for posting the articles.

Since: Sep 11

Texarkana, TX

#136 Jan 13, 2013
I do empathize with her situation. But I still think she should be fed into a wood chipper.
awhellnaw

Texarkana, TX

#137 Jan 13, 2013
Zenith123 wrote:
I do empathize with her situation. But I still think she should be fed into a wood chipper.
Typical topix! Interesting statement though, You ever tried that before? Sounds kinda freaky to me, you should really seek help!

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#138 Jan 15, 2013
Looks like some posts were deleted, just noticed: 103,117,118. Wonder why?

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#140 Jan 16, 2013
I'll bite...I love a good riddle.

You were not called to testify yet your "behavior" in some way brought about the turn of events, and that makes you at least partially to blame for what happened.

I have a theory about where you're trying to go with the Philadelphia and the letter Y - as in chromosome, as in male...

As in someone's brother wasn't called to testify.

Am I totally off with this line of thinking? Well if so, you'll have to help us.
Robert Greer

United States

#141 Jan 17, 2013
GaiusCaligula wrote:
I'll bite...I love a good riddle.
You were not called to testify yet your "behavior" in some way brought about the turn of events, and that makes you at least partially to blame for what happened.
I have a theory about where you're trying to go with the Philadelphia and the letter Y - as in chromosome, as in male...
As in someone's brother wasn't called to testify.
Am I totally off with this line of thinking? Well if so, you'll have to help us.


140 to 141 " Y "
Herod Antipas executed John the Baptist but he could not bring himself to execute Jesus. Most probably because he came to love Jesus. He could not prevent Jesus's death so he washed his hands and sent Jesus to die at the hands of Pontius Pilate. Jesus died on a cross but what he taught us lives on today.
" Nothing you confess could make me love you less. "
Even Caligula could not execute Herod for his rebellion against Rome, most probably because he loved Herod,so he had him exiled.

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#142 Jan 17, 2013
Robert Greer wrote:
<quoted text>
140 to 141 " Y "
Herod Antipas executed John the Baptist but he could not bring himself to execute Jesus. Most probably because he came to love Jesus. He could not prevent Jesus's death so he washed his hands and sent Jesus to die at the hands of Pontius Pilate. Jesus died on a cross but what he taught us lives on today.
" Nothing you confess could make me love you less. "
Even Caligula could not execute Herod for his rebellion against Rome, most probably because he loved Herod,so he had him exiled.
I'm intrigued but still murky - the whole letter "Y" thing still "puzzles" me, unless it's just to be interpreted phoenetically as "why". Again, forgive my dimness, I'm really trying here.

I do see that love can inspire mercy.

The only mercy I can see that was excplicitly given was the mercy given to Rachel.

I've yet to ascertain whether you have some new insight to contribute, or whether you're just an outsider interpreting and judging these events through the lens of Christian history and apocrypha :)

I'm leaning toward the latter, but the day is yet young.
Robert Greer

United States

#143 Jan 17, 2013
GaiusCaligula wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm intrigued but still murky - the whole letter "Y" thing still "puzzles" me, unless it's just to be interpreted phoenetically as "why". Again, forgive my dimness, I'm really trying here.
I do see that love can inspire mercy.
The only mercy I can see that was excplicitly given was the mercy given to Rachel.
I've yet to ascertain whether you have some new insight to contribute, or whether you're just an outsider interpreting and judging these events through the lens of Christian history and apocrypha :)
I'm leaning toward the latter, but the day is yet young.
Caligula, we are here in current time dealing with a real situation. If I could have testified at Rachel Pittman's Trial
( which in my opinion did not and has not happened yet, as she was denied a trial ) I could have supported the following testimony, as could Rachel's brother and Amanda's brother and possibly 100 other people if they were allowed to testify:

From Impact Statements by Glen and Wanda Prewett read to Rachel Pittman at Rusk County Court House, Henderson, Texas, Friday, January 11, 2013 in regards to the character and general demeanor
of Rachel Pittman prior to the tragic night of May 11, 2011:

Amanda’s trusting spirit
made her vulnerable.
.......... Wanda Prewett

Amanda trusted Rachel
and befriended her
.......... Glen Prewett

Rachel colored Easter eggs with Amanda, Guinevere, Texas, Wanda ( Bryan, Carson, Sabrina) and me.
...... Glen Prewett

Rachel shared the
Thanksgiving Meal
with my family.
...... Glenn Prewett

Amanda would buy
Rachel souvenirs
when she traveled.
.......... Glen Prewett

Amanda never knew
Rachel was evil
..... Glen Prewett

When Amanda made dinners
she would make one
to take to Rachel
.......... Glen Prewett

Amanda's mother would hire Rachel
to clean her house so Rachel would have extra spending money.
.......... Glen Prewett

Amanda and Renea
(Rachel's mother) were friends
...... Wanda Prewett

Amanda and Renea
(Rachel's mother) would go out dancing
on double dates
..... Wanda Prewett

Guinevere was the flower girl
at Renea's (Rachel's mother)
second wedding
..... Wanda Prewett

Someday, Rachel will face a different judge, who sees right into her heart.
........ Wanda Prewett

I know that I will be reunited with my family
in heaven
......... Glen Prewett

etc., etc., etc.,

Amanda loved Rachel and Rachel loved Amanda

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#144 Jan 17, 2013
Robert Greer wrote:
etc., etc., etc.,
Amanda loved Rachel and Rachel loved Amanda
I understand that there is a current situation to be dealt with.

One would conclude from the impact statements that indeed Amanda did love Rachel, but that Amanda was too trusting and naive a person to see Rachel's true, "evil" nature. The fact that so many rational adults couldn't see it, makes Rachel seem all the more evil, like she was some sociopathic mastermind who was plotting murder the entire time she knew the deceased, even while coloring their easter eggs. I myself am highly skeptical of that claim, it just doesn't wash with the years of history where NOTHING happened, not an inkling of anything wrong which made the deceased or anyone else not trust the girl. She'd need a damned compelling (to her) reason to feel internally justified turning on them like that.

Love, money, revenge, self-preservation?

Then again, I have heard of cases - e.g. Alissa Bustamante - where the teen perp did it just for the hell of it, for fun. Also in that case, there was a plan and the crime was concealed and the confession came later. "Lost in a Roman wilderness of pain, and all the children are insane" as Jim Morrison said.

But I think what's got most people spooked is that there must have been a pretty detailed plan which was executed with cold precision. Not an impulsive murder - alot of thought went into it, took time to plan, and during that time a "weak" motive would not have pushed her through to the end.

Either that, or she didn't do it and is covering for someone - but again, she'd need to be pretty strongly-motivated to do that too.
Robert Greer

United States

#145 Jan 17, 2013
GaiusCaligula wrote:
<quoted text>
I understand that there is a current situation to be dealt with.
One would conclude from the impact statements that indeed Amanda did love Rachel, but that Amanda was too trusting and naive a person to see Rachel's true, "evil" nature. The fact that so many rational adults couldn't see it, makes Rachel seem all the more evil, like she was some sociopathic mastermind who was plotting murder the entire time she knew the deceased, even while coloring their easter eggs. I myself am highly skeptical of that claim, it just doesn't wash with the years of history where NOTHING happened, not an inkling of anything wrong which made the deceased or anyone else not trust the girl. She'd need a damned compelling (to her) reason to feel internally justified turning on them like that.

Love, money, revenge, self-preservation?
Then again, I have heard of cases - e.g. Alissa Bustamante - where the teen perp did it just for the hell of it, for fun. Also in that case, there was a plan and the crime was concealed and the confession came later. "Lost in a Roman wilderness of pain, and all the children are insane" as Jim Morrison said.
But I think what's got most people spooked is that there must have been a pretty detailed plan which was executed with cold precision. Not an impulsive murder - alot of thought went into it, took time to plan, and during that time a "weak" motive would not have pushed her through to the end.
Either that, or she didn't do it and is covering for someone - but again, she'd need to be pretty strongly-motivated to do that too.
I think that rational adults did see the "evil" and accepted it and dealt with it. Some were able to subdue and control the "evil", others were able to learn about, exploit, project and transfer the "evil".

There are a thousand coincidences in this case.
One being the name of Rachel's father " Howard Pittman ".
Google Howard Pittman you get the famed circuit preacher and "demonologist".
Coincidence?
Google " Renee Pittman " you get woman who writes books about mind control.
Google Christopher Pittman you get another teenage kill and burn incident
Try to find Dana Epps and you find "Letter to Dana"
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
Robert Greer

United States

#146 Jan 17, 2013
I believe that the "evil" is a separate entity. Neither Rachel nor Amanda were the "evil", the "evil" somehow attached itself to their lives.
I fully realize that they do not want to hear that in a court of law.

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#147 Jan 17, 2013
Robert Greer wrote:
<quoted text>
I think that rational adults did see the "evil" and accepted it and dealt with it. Some were able to subdue and control the "evil", others were able to learn about, exploit, project and transfer the "evil".
There are a thousand coincidences in this case.
The coincidences are definitely interesting, just one of the things which make this case "most curious". Some might say there are no coincidences.

I guess the only winner here is Dana Epps and no one seems to care - brilliant.

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