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libra

United States

#1 Feb 5, 2013
You people who aren't for gun control make me sick. How many more columbines,sandy hooks, virginia techs and little boys being abducted off school busses is it going to take before you ignorant, backwoods hillbillies say enough is enough and stop spouting off NRA propaganda ?? How much innocent blood must be shed before you can recognize guns are a big problem in this nation?
September Gurl

Glen Rose, TX

#2 Feb 5, 2013
libra wrote:
You people who aren't for gun control make me sick. How many more columbines,sandy hooks, virginia techs and little boys being abducted off school busses is it going to take before you ignorant, backwoods hillbillies say enough is enough and stop spouting off NRA propaganda ?? How much innocent blood must be shed before you can recognize guns are a big problem in this nation?
They don't care about how many people die because of gun violence. They don't care about how many little innocent children get slaughtered at the hands of crazed lunatics. Or innocent people in theaters, malls, or churches. They only care about "their second amendment rights" and the politicians don't have the courage to do anything about it because they are deathly afraid of the NRA and their four million members.

Since: Jul 10

Texarkana, TX

#3 Feb 5, 2013
Automobiles kill more people each year by far than guns. More than 30,000 per year. Lets bann the automobiles.

How many innocent children are slaughtered each year by women getting abortions. More than 1 million per year. Lets bann abortion.

Ever notice what all these places have in common. They are gun free zones. Which means that anyone hell bent on killing lots of people can go there and do their business with no threat of being stopped.

If you really want to save innocent lives, which one of the three listed would you seriously pick?
Jeremy Price

Texarkana, TX

#4 Feb 5, 2013
libra wrote:
You people who aren't for gun control make me sick. How many more columbines,sandy hooks, virginia techs and little boys being abducted off school busses is it going to take before you ignorant, backwoods hillbillies say enough is enough and stop spouting off NRA propaganda ?? How much innocent blood must be shed before you can recognize guns are a big problem in this nation?
I have a simple question I would like to ask you. Do you believe it is possible to rid our country of guns entirely? I mean literally, do you think it is an actual possibility? I ask, not poke fun but to try to see where you are coming from. I think a lot of people do believe that such a thing could happen and before I go further into this debate, I would like to know your answer.

Since: Jul 12

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#5 Feb 5, 2013
Lets say that it is possible to simply snap your fingers and *poof* all handguns are gone. Gone from law abiding citizens, law enforcement, military - around the world. Just gone in an instant. Some lunatic fringe madman will begin to look around and figure out what he has close at hand to fabricate some sort of weapon. Be it a slingshot or a peashooter. Then tomorrow, somebody will come up with a better mouse trap.

Imagine the 6 o'clock news: Crazed madman brandishing a potato cannon held up the First National Bank today and made off with an undisclosed amount of cash. Nobody was seriously injured in the hold up. On the bright side of things, the First National Bank will be feeding the homeless tomorrow mashed potato's and gravy thanks to the arsenal of russet potato's the robber dropped as fled the scene headed east on Main Street.

The point is, if guns were magically removed from the face of the Earth, somebody somewhere would figure a way to yield power over their unsuspecting prey.

Wanna buy a tator cannon? I've got a little PVC pipe and some hair spray. All you need to bring is a 10# bag of tators and we can knock off that pesky neighbor we've been griping about.
Jeremy Price

Texarkana, TX

#6 Feb 5, 2013
Texan2455 wrote:
Lets say that it is possible to simply snap your fingers and *poof* all handguns are gone. Gone from law abiding citizens, law enforcement, military - around the world. Just gone in an instant. Some lunatic fringe madman will begin to look around and figure out what he has close at hand to fabricate some sort of weapon. Be it a slingshot or a peashooter. Then tomorrow, somebody will come up with a better mouse trap.
Imagine the 6 o'clock news: Crazed madman brandishing a potato cannon held up the First National Bank today and made off with an undisclosed amount of cash. Nobody was seriously injured in the hold up. On the bright side of things, the First National Bank will be feeding the homeless tomorrow mashed potato's and gravy thanks to the arsenal of russet potato's the robber dropped as fled the scene headed east on Main Street.
The point is, if guns were magically removed from the face of the Earth, somebody somewhere would figure a way to yield power over their unsuspecting prey.
Wanna buy a tator cannon? I've got a little PVC pipe and some hair spray. All you need to bring is a 10# bag of tators and we can knock off that pesky neighbor we've been griping about.
You're stealing my thunder! JK

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September Gurl

Glen Rose, TX

#7 Feb 5, 2013
farronwolf wrote:
Automobiles kill more people each year by far than guns. More than 30,000 per year. Lets bann the automobiles.

How many innocent children are slaughtered each year by women getting abortions. More than 1 million per year. Lets bann abortion.

Ever notice what all these places have in common. They are gun free zones. Which means that anyone hell bent on killing lots of people can go there and do their business with no threat of being stopped.

If you really want to save innocent lives, which one of the three listed would you seriously pick?
Your arguments are red herrings and are diversions from the main issue. I never said anything about banning anything. I own a gun myself and if anyone breaks into my house or tries to kill me or my family, they won't live to see another day. I'm talking about these military styled assault weapons which are purchased legally but somehow or another get into the hands of evil madmen. Now, if you, Farronwolf, can prevent that from happening, then I don't care how many assault rifles are sold but if you, Farronwolf, can not prevent that from happening, then something needs to be done about these weapons before more innocent people die at the hands of them.
Realtime

Show Low, AZ

#8 Feb 5, 2013
Guns don't kill people; movies kill people:
Today the data linking violence in the media to violence in society are superior to those linking cancer and tobacco……..
http://www.psychology.iastate.edu/faculty/caa...
a study by AACAP found that as a result of TV violence, children may: become immune to the horror of violence; gradually accept violence as a way to solve problems; imitate violence they observe on television; and identify with certain characters, victims, or victimizers.
according to a University of Michigan study men and women who watched the most violent TV shows as youngsters turned out to be the most violence-prone, even 15 years later.
The Evidence Against Media Violence
http://www.bluecorncomics.com/grossman.htm
Humorist Steve Allen formed the Parents Television Council to stop TV from "leading children down a moral sewer."
* Since television started around 1000 studies, reports, etc. concerning the impact of TV violence have been published.
* The National Institute of Mental Health and 7 more national organizations say there is overwhelming evidence that violent entertainment causes violent behavior.
* An ABC network study found 22 to 34 percent of young felons imprisoned for violent crimes said they had consciously imitated crime techniques learned from watching television programs.
* Homicide rates doubled in 10 to 15 years after TV was first introduced into specific ares of the U.S. and Canada.
* In a survey of 10 to 16-year-olds, 62 percent said sex on TV influences their peers to have sex when they're too young.
Gun FACTS that cant be disputed:
http://www.gunfacts.info/pdfs/gun-facts/6.1/g...
because of the 'banning guns' ideology thats running rampant, the only news that gets blown up is a crime committed with a gun.
Who speaks out for over 7 million young children that live a life of child abuse, incest, and torture?
Their little life is a hell on earth because of alcohol!
Who claims 50 times more lives than all the illegal drugs combined? Who costs the American people 130 billion dollars every year to mop up it's bloodbath of human slaughter? Who destroys 1 in every 4 families in America? Who kills over 200,000 Americans each year? Is it crack? Is it cocaine? Could it be heroin? Is it guns? No, the undisputed heavyweight champion of the world and number one killer of Americans is KING ALCOHOL.......
where are the news media HEADLINES?
* There are over 18 million alcoholics in America.
* Cirrhosis of the liver kills over 30,000 each year and rising.
* 50 percent of the people on welfare are due to killer alcohol.
* 80 percent of all fire deaths are due to killer alcohol.
* 65 percent of the drownings
* 22 percent of home accidents
* 77 percent of falls
* 36 percent of pedestrian accidents
* 65 percent of all murders
* 40 percent of all assaults
* 35 percent of all rapes
* 30 percent of other sex crimes
* 30 percent of all suicides
* Over 80 percent of all arrests are linked to killer alcohol!
And one of the most disturbing statistics of all - 60 PERCENT OF ALL CHILD ABUSE IS DUE TO ALCOHOL!
……..nobody dares utter a peep?
The alcohol industry spends over 400 million dollars a year advertising and glorifying the killer! By age 18, American children on an average, have seen an estimated 100,000 beer commercials! They innocently watch as their favorite heros glamorize and glorify killer alcohol.
every single day -
at least 10 young people die because of drinking alcohol!
……..nobody dares utter a peep?
farronwolf

Texarkana, TX

#9 Feb 5, 2013
September Gurl wrote:
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Your arguments are red herrings and are diversions from the main issue. I never said anything about banning anything. I own a gun myself and if anyone breaks into my house or tries to kill me or my family, they won't live to see another day. I'm talking about these military styled assault weapons which are purchased legally but somehow or another get into the hands of evil madmen. Now, if you, Farronwolf, can prevent that from happening, then I don't care how many assault rifles are sold but if you, Farronwolf, can not prevent that from happening, then something needs to be done about these weapons before more innocent people die at the hands of them.
First of all, who said my post was in response to your post. You didn't start the thread.

Secondly, why would you be more concerned about deaths by means of "assault rifles" than you would be by other means which clearly take more lives?

Oh, and don't be so sure you will kill the intruder. Are you proficient with your weapon? Do you have a system set up to delay, and alert you of any intrusion? Is the rest of your family on the same page as you for what to do? Are you certain your child/husband, whomever won't be in the crossfire or hit by any stray bullets? Lots of things to consider.

Yes, the current panic issue is the dreaded "assault rifle" because people have a single track mind and can only focus on the latest news tragedy. Why is everyone so focused on the weapon and not the mental health issue. Oh that is right, we don't want to hurt anyones feelings or out them for being whack jobs. We would rather ignore the issue because it is too hard to deal with. It is much easier to point at a tool and say, that is bad, ban it.
September Gurl

Glen Rose, TX

#10 Feb 5, 2013
farronwolf wrote:
<quoted text>First of all, who said my post was in response to your post. You didn't start the thread.

Secondly, why would you be more concerned about deaths by means of "assault rifles" than you would be by other means which clearly take more lives?

Oh, and don't be so sure you will kill the intruder. Are you proficient with your weapon? Do you have a system set up to delay, and alert you of any intrusion? Is the rest of your family on the same page as you for what to do? Are you certain your child/husband, whomever won't be in the crossfire or hit by any stray bullets? Lots of things to consider.

Yes, the current panic issue is the dreaded "assault rifle" because people have a single track mind and can only focus on the latest news tragedy. Why is everyone so focused on the weapon and not the mental health issue. Oh that is right, we don't want to hurt anyones feelings or out them for being whack jobs. We would rather ignore the issue because it is too hard to deal with. It is much easier to point at a tool and say, that is bad, ban it.
This is one issue that we will never agree on matter how many words we type or arguments we make. You know where I stand and vice versa. You're not going to change what I think and vice versa.
Hollywood Hellfire

United States

#11 Feb 6, 2013
We can all agree it is Hollywood and the film industry's fault. And vidia-games.
From Forum

Show Low, AZ

#12 Feb 6, 2013
Hollywood Hellfire wrote:
We can all agree it is Hollywood and the film industry's fault. And vidia-games.
I would say most normal people can.
rider

Gwinn, MI

#13 Feb 6, 2013
The Turner Diaries Audio Book Part 1
Canon

Texarkana, TX

#14 Feb 7, 2013
"Assault" weapon...a bogus term. My fist can be an assault weapon as could a knife or whatever I use as a weapon. I suppose many folks think AR's are machine guns. THEY ARE NOT. What we need is MORE legal gun owners. And, btw,what the government wants to do WOULD NOT have helped those kids anyway. The government is NOT noble in their actions,they are just taking advantage of an opportunity, if they were interested in saving lifes they would ALSO hate abortion! More little ones DIE each day due to abortion that mentally ill gun shooters. Funny how the government is prochoice to murder the unborn but not prochoice concerning the 2nd amendment. How many other amendments should we start debating? Don't be dupped!
Red Goosefoot

Haslet, TX

#15 Feb 7, 2013
Canon wrote:
"Assault" weapon...a bogus term. My fist can be an assault weapon as could a knife or whatever I use as a weapon. I suppose many folks think AR's are machine guns. THEY ARE NOT. What we need is MORE legal gun owners. And, btw,what the government wants to do WOULD NOT have helped those kids anyway. The government is NOT noble in their actions,they are just taking advantage of an opportunity, if they were interested in saving lifes they would ALSO hate abortion! More little ones DIE each day due to abortion that mentally ill gun shooters. Funny how the government is prochoice to murder the unborn but not prochoice concerning the 2nd amendment. How many other amendments should we start debating? Don't be dupped!
I think the Constitution and all the amendments need a good overhauling. 21st Century America shouldn't be dictated by a bunch of old archaic rules and laws written by a bunch of old racist geezers.
Jeremy Price

Texarkana, TX

#16 Feb 7, 2013
Red Goosefoot wrote:
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I think the Constitution and all the amendments need a good overhauling. 21st Century America shouldn't be dictated by a bunch of old archaic rules and laws written by a bunch of old racist geezers.
There is an amendment process for that. Please go about your "changes" in that direction or expect resistance.
Canon

Texarkana, TX

#17 Feb 7, 2013
Red Goosefoot wrote:
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I think the Constitution and all the amendments need a good overhauling. 21st Century America shouldn't be dictated by a bunch of old archaic rules and laws written by a bunch of old racist geezers.
You have an incorrect understanding of what it is. It defines the country, our birth certificate so to speak. It is no more outdated than your birth certificate. Actually they were brilliant.
Jeremy Price

Texarkana, TX

#19 Feb 7, 2013
Red Goosefoot wrote:
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Forever and ever, amen,
I am not sure if your keyboard stopped functioning all of a sudden but that isn't really a response. If it is an attempt at mockery, I suggest you try again. Perhaps something witty this time.
Red Goosefoot

Haslet, TX

#20 Feb 7, 2013
Jeremy Price wrote:
<quoted text>I am not sure if your keyboard stopped functioning all of a sudden but that isn't really a response. If it is an attempt at mockery, I suggest you try again. Perhaps something witty this time.
If the Constitution was so perfect, why did the founding fathers create an amendment process and why are there so many amendments?
Red Goosefoot

Haslet, TX

#21 Feb 7, 2013
Canon wrote:
<quoted text>You have an incorrect understanding of what it is. It defines the country, our birth certificate so to speak. It is no more outdated than your birth certificate. Actually they were brilliant.
Are you implying that I'm old?

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