1 million for Grim Hotel

1 million for Grim Hotel

Posted in the Texarkana Forum

First Prev
of 6
Next Last

“Soldier Medic... ”

Since: Jan 10

De Kalb, Texas

#1 Jun 25, 2010
Words came to mind when I saw that the demolition estimate and the refurbish cost of the Grim are just about the same... I for one think if the city really cares about downtown they will fork over the needed cash. 20 million for a convention center that isnt needed or restoring the Grim? I say save the Grim... there are investors out there that want to do something with the building... can anyone post the full article from todays paper on here so i can read it? Thanks
The Cat

United States

#2 Jun 25, 2010
I find it hard to believe the figures are about the same. But this one's for you, darlin'.

;)

Cost of demolishing Grim Hotel same as refurbishment estimate
Texarkana Gazette - Published: 06/25/2010

Texas-side officials presented a scenario Thursday that nearly $1 million could refurbish the downtown Grim Hotel or remove the abandoned eyesore.

The Blue Ribbon Committee was told that a developer wants to revamp the building for residential and commercial use but needs the city to pony up $900,000.

On the flip side, the building could be demolished for about the same price.

Jerry Sparks, economic development consultant, said the city has to weigh the return before tossing in the cash.

“It’s hard for me to take off my number-crunching hat and say,‘We’ll make you a ... low-interest loan and our increased tax base, hopefully, is the only return on investment,” he said.

After hearing all the arguments, BRC members were asked to vote on three scenarios: the redevelopment plan, demolition or taking no action and letting the building deteriorate.

Twelve supported redevelopment, seven voted to tear it down, three chose no action and a write-in suggestion was to turn the Grim into a convention center.

Several related topics came up during the discussion, including the need for policy guiding growth in downtown.

Several scenarios were compared, such as what has to occur to spark revitalization, but the possibility that the spark won’t ignite a fire.

“We know for a fact downtown isn’t going to be retail,” said Craig Lindholm, director of Community Redevelopment and Grants.

“Successful redevelopment of downtowns has always started with multi-family, mixed units coming in. You bring the people in, and supportive services follow the people.”

Several expressed the desire to relocate three downtown detention facilities.

“The jails are the largest employer in downtown Texarkana,” Sparks said.“Bowie County by itself is 250 jobs. If you move the jails you’re taking what we need in downtown Texarkana to support it out. Everything is a balance.”

The exercise was to let members see some of the issues and decisions the city handles every day.

“What I hope you’ve gotten a little bit of a feel for ... is that economic development and how if affects the city is not any one specific thing. It’s a very complex, multi-faceted issue,” City Manager Larry Sullivan said.

“Soldier Medic... ”

Since: Jan 10

De Kalb, Texas

#3 Jun 25, 2010
The Cat wrote:
I find it hard to believe the figures are about the same. But this one's for you, darlin'.
;)
Cost of demolishing Grim Hotel same as refurbishment estimate
Texarkana Gazette - Published: 06/25/2010
Texas-side officials presented a scenario Thursday that nearly $1 million could refurbish the downtown Grim Hotel or remove the abandoned eyesore.
The Blue Ribbon Committee was told that a developer wants to revamp the building for residential and commercial use but needs the city to pony up $900,000.
On the flip side, the building could be demolished for about the same price.
Jerry Sparks, economic development consultant, said the city has to weigh the return before tossing in the cash.
“It’s hard for me to take off my number-crunching hat and say,‘We’ll make you a ... low-interest loan and our increased tax base, hopefully, is the only return on investment,” he said.
After hearing all the arguments, BRC members were asked to vote on three scenarios: the redevelopment plan, demolition or taking no action and letting the building deteriorate.
Twelve supported redevelopment, seven voted to tear it down, three chose no action and a write-in suggestion was to turn the Grim into a convention center.
Several related topics came up during the discussion, including the need for policy guiding growth in downtown.
Several scenarios were compared, such as what has to occur to spark revitalization, but the possibility that the spark won’t ignite a fire.
“We know for a fact downtown isn’t going to be retail,” said Craig Lindholm, director of Community Redevelopment and Grants.
“Successful redevelopment of downtowns has always started with multi-family, mixed units coming in. You bring the people in, and supportive services follow the people.”
Several expressed the desire to relocate three downtown detention facilities.
“The jails are the largest employer in downtown Texarkana,” Sparks said.“Bowie County by itself is 250 jobs. If you move the jails you’re taking what we need in downtown Texarkana to support it out. Everything is a balance.”
The exercise was to let members see some of the issues and decisions the city handles every day.
“What I hope you’ve gotten a little bit of a feel for ... is that economic development and how if affects the city is not any one specific thing. It’s a very complex, multi-faceted issue,” City Manager Larry Sullivan said.
thanks! I knew youd send it to me! haha
Musketeer

Dallas, TX

#4 Jun 26, 2010
I've been in there. I'd say it needs to come down. It's in pretty bad condition.
The Cat

United States

#5 Jun 26, 2010
I do believe a zero must have been omitted from the restoration figure, it would be more like $9,000,000. If even that would cover it.
LAUGHINGATYOU

Foss, OK

#6 Jun 26, 2010
Does anybody know if any of the old light fixtures ,hard wood flooring ect. still remains or has it all been taken out by now ?

Since: Apr 08

Texarkana, Tex/Ark

#7 Jun 26, 2010
LAUGHINGATYOU wrote:
Does anybody know if any of the old light fixtures ,hard wood flooring ect. still remains or has it all been taken out by now ?
I heard it had been looted. And most of the stuff is gone. Don't know for sure though, haven't been inside.
LAUGHINGATYOU

Foss, OK

#8 Jun 26, 2010
TexArk wrote:
<quoted text>
I heard it had been looted. And most of the stuff is gone. Don't know for sure though, haven't been inside.
Thats too bad ,there was alot of cool old stuff in there when i was a kid .
Musketeer

Dallas, TX

#9 Jun 27, 2010
There are holes in the walls. Most of the floors and fixtures are still there. I haven't been in there in a year or so though. Don't steal from there though. The cops are hardcore about that place.
LAUGHINGATYOU

Foss, OK

#10 Jun 27, 2010
Musketeer wrote:
There are holes in the walls. Most of the floors and fixtures are still there. I haven't been in there in a year or so though. Don't steal from there though. The cops are hardcore about that place.
Stealing is not what i had in mind ,just seems like some things could be salvaged before the place was torn down , A lot of history there .But then im just an old antique hound .
Musketeer

Dallas, TX

#11 Jun 27, 2010
Yea. There are pieces of the guest registries from the early 1900's. Lots of old famous names.
LAUGHINGATYOU

Foss, OK

#12 Jun 27, 2010
Just laying around ? That should be saved ,what a shame !
texark66

Pittsburg, TX

#13 Jun 27, 2010
Something needs to be decided one way or the other on the Grim hotel. Either restore it, or destroy it. From the story in the paper, it appears there is a serious private investor. I would want to know his plans and ideas and a time line for their completion.

Three buildings that have a large part of Texarkana history are the Grim, McCartney and Union Station. Two out of the three are on the Texas side, Union Station straddles the line of two states.

If the figure is accurate for the Grim and the investor has the resources to do it, my vote would be to keep it. If this is just a project that will take many years to get done, then I vote to demolish it. Lot's of questions to be answered on this project in my view.
bump

Keene, TX

#14 Jun 27, 2010
btt
The Cat

United States

#15 Jun 27, 2010
Ok, I think I see now. The potential investor didn't say it would cost $900,000 to refurbish the Grim, that's just the amount s/he wants the city to anti-up beforehand?

And $900,000 is what it would cost the city to demolish it.

“Soldier Medic... ”

Since: Jan 10

De Kalb, Texas

#16 Jun 27, 2010
The Cat wrote:
Ok, I think I see now. The potential investor didn't say it would cost $900,000 to refurbish the Grim, that's just the amount s/he wants the city to anti-up beforehand?
And $900,000 is what it would cost the city to demolish it.
so wouldnt it be great and the better thing to do to refurbish the building. It would be far more nice to have a historic building restored than having an empty lot for who knows how long... once its gone its gone and todays architecture doesnt even come close to recreating the awesomness of the 20's... today people build with the cheapest cost in mind, often looking bland, while back then it was more of a statement of my building is better than yours and Im going to make sure it shows... Im a huge fan of late 19th and early 20 century architecture and it would be a shame to see the Grim go down when they have an opportunity to save it. Rooting for you Grim!
LAUGHINGATYOU

Foss, OK

#17 Jun 27, 2010
They made buildings to last back in the day ,not like the crap they turn out now ! I would bet the basic structure is still sound ,just wondering what type of hazardous material ,asbestos, ect .would have to be removed before a crew could start work .
texark66

Pittsburg, TX

#18 Jun 27, 2010
Joshua,

A very good post. I hope the Grim can be saved. What I'm worried about is getting the hotel restoration completed. I seem to recall a few years ago there was a huge discussion about what to do with the old Texas High building. A developer promised great things towards its restoration, like apartment lofts etc. etc. but it failed to be accomplished to my knowledge.

I'm with you on the Grim, but let's be sure whoever is developing the property follows through on their restoration pledge if they are going to get the money. They need to be held accountable for their work.

“Soldier Medic... ”

Since: Jan 10

De Kalb, Texas

#19 Jun 27, 2010
My point exactly aboutt he architecture... build it to last... buildings were like extravagant monuments built to last the test of time... it really was an opportunity for an architect to etch his/ her name into history. I totally agree that a developer should be acocountable to their word.. and I imagine if the city invests that kind of cash there will be strings attatched... or benchmarks if you will haha... 100 to 1 will not see a better building take the place of the Grim.
Torrie

Mclean, VA

#20 Jul 1, 2010
hey josh, good to see your face. i'm completely in agreement. everyday, at work, i can see the grim from my "window"... how awesome would it be to have it back in all its glory? ah...

Tell me when this thread is updated:

Subscribe Now Add to my Tracker
First Prev
of 6
Next Last

Add your comments below

Characters left: 4000

Please note by submitting this form you acknowledge that you have read the Terms of Service and the comment you are posting is in compliance with such terms. Be polite. Inappropriate posts may be removed by the moderator. Send us your feedback.

Texarkana Discussions

Title Updated Last By Comments
looking for milton ollinger (Mar '11) Thu MeSo 22
PG's New Superintendent ruining district (Aug '14) Thu Wake Up 50
What is the best school district in Texarkana f... Jun 28 Concerned Parent 2
Lisa davis where are you Jun 28 I knew her 5
Why Do Blacks Act Like Animals (Mar '12) Jun 27 Dee 286
does anyone hear know paula richmond? (Jun '11) Jun 25 I knew her 28
Randy Rawson Jun 23 I knew him 4

Texarkana Jobs

More from around the web

Personal Finance

Texarkana Mortgages