Is 'Dr.' Lacy blurring the line betwe...

Is 'Dr.' Lacy blurring the line between Church and State?

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Since: Nov 10

Whitney, TX

#2 Aug 18, 2012
Another misstep by the good 'Dr.': From the earlier posted text..."All purchases are considered a tax deductable donation and all proceeds will go towards further community awareness of the principles of limited government held by David Crockett."False!!

"Tax deductible donations must be given voluntarily and cannot provide a material benefit to the donor. For example, a donation given in exchange for something else, such as raffle tickets, memberships, or merchandise, would benefit the giver. Therefore, it would not be tax deductible."

“I'm a COB and RINO Ball Buster”

Since: Jun 12

Texarkana

#3 Aug 18, 2012
Tom Horn wrote:
Another misstep by the good 'Dr.': From the earlier posted text..."All purchases are considered a tax deductable donation and all proceeds will go towards further community awareness of the principles of limited government held by David Crockett."False!!

"Tax deductible donations must be given voluntarily and cannot provide a material benefit to the donor. For example, a donation given in exchange for something else, such as raffle tickets, memberships, or merchandise, would benefit the giver. Therefore, it would not be tax deductible."
Wow. You've got him. He's done now. You've been right all along.

*SARCASM*

Since you can't find anything of substance, keep bringing up meaningless crap!

Oh, and btw, there is NO separation of church and state. That is a lie created by the leftists. America is a Christian nation - period.
Pmg

Texarkana, TX

#4 Aug 18, 2012
Wilford Brimley wrote:
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Wow. You've got him. He's done now. You've been right all along.
*SARCASM*
Since you can't find anything of substance, keep bringing up meaningless crap!
Oh, and btw, there is NO separation of church and state. That is a lie created by the leftists. America is a Christian nation - period.
go back to history class... Seperation of church and state is so the government can't tell you how to worship and what you should believe!!

Since: Nov 10

Whitney, TX

#5 Aug 18, 2012
Wilford Brimley wrote:
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Wow. You've got him. He's done now. You've been right all along.
*SARCASM*
Since you can't find anything of substance, keep bringing up meaningless crap!
Oh, and btw, there is NO separation of church and state. That is a lie created by the leftists. America is a Christian nation - period.
Will your reply doen't fit the quote you used. I was pointing out that IRS will NOT allow a charitible deduction if the "donor" receives benefit such as CD's, audio tapes, etc.

As for there being "NO separation of church and state", I suggest you re-read the 1st amendment.

Might want to check a little history as well:

"Historian Gregg L. Frazer argues that the leading Founders (Adams, Jefferson, Franklin, Wilson, Morris, Madison, Hamilton, and Washington) were neither Christians nor Deists, but rather supporters of a hybrid "theistic rationalism"."[

Here's wishing you a very cheerful day!

Since: Sep 11

Texarkana, TX

#6 Aug 18, 2012
What is the line between church and state?

Since: Nov 10

Whitney, TX

#7 Aug 19, 2012
Zenith123 wrote:
What is the line between church and state?
The forefathers were more concerned with government establishing a religion (similar to what many had experienced in the Anglican church in which the monarch was titular head of it) with concomitant theocratic repression. See explanation in quotes below. I am in no way suggesting that our secular government not operate on sound Judeo-Christian principles; but rather pointing out that one of our elected officials appears to be using county facilities in the operation of a 'church' which he founded and with which solicits funds on his website. Further I find it odd that this 'church' appears to have no physical location, no congregation and no regular services.

"The modern concept of a wholly secular government is sometimes credited to the writings of English philosopher John Locke, but the phrase "separation of church and state" in this context is generally traced to a January 1, 1802 letter by Thomas Jefferson, addressed to the Danbury Baptist Association in Connecticut, and published in a Massachusetts newspaper. Echoing the language of the founder of the first Baptist church in America, Roger Williams—who had written in 1644 of "[A] hedge or wall of separation between the garden of the church and the wilderness of the world"— Jefferson wrote, "I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should 'make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,' thus building a wall of separation between Church & State." Excerpt from Wikipedia.
All Those Years Ago

Texarkana, AR

#8 Aug 19, 2012
Forefathers unlawfully seceded and stole property from the British. Forefathers stole land from and killed Indians when they wouldn’t submit to the theft. Forefathers stole freedom from the Africans through enslavement. Forefathers would have kept stealing equality from Women had WW2 not forced them to make concessions.

“I'm a COB and RINO Ball Buster”

Since: Jun 12

Texarkana

#9 Aug 19, 2012
Tom Horn wrote:
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The forefathers were more concerned with government establishing a religion (similar to what many had experienced in the Anglican church in which the monarch was titular head of it) with concomitant theocratic repression. See explanation in quotes below. I am in no way suggesting that our secular government not operate on sound Judeo-Christian principles; but rather pointing out that one of our elected officials appears to be using county facilities in the operation of a 'church' which he founded and with which solicits funds on his website. Further I find it odd that this 'church' appears to have no physical location, no congregation and no regular services.
"The modern concept of a wholly secular government is sometimes credited to the writings of English philosopher John Locke, but the phrase "separation of church and state" in this context is generally traced to a January 1, 1802 letter by Thomas Jefferson, addressed to the Danbury Baptist Association in Connecticut, and published in a Massachusetts newspaper. Echoing the language of the founder of the first Baptist church in America, Roger Williams—who had written in 1644 of "[A] hedge or wall of separation between the garden of the church and the wilderness of the world"— Jefferson wrote, "I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should 'make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,' thus building a wall of separation between Church & State." Excerpt from Wikipedia.
Well, we know Wikipedia is always true...

Watch a David Barton documentary, then come back and apologize for misleading people.

Since: Nov 10

Clyde, TX

#10 Aug 19, 2012
Wilford Brimley wrote:
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Well, we know Wikipedia is always true...
Watch a David Barton documentary, then come back and apologize for misleading people.
Will, you are a fool. David Barton has been discredited more than once....latest to which you refer:
Hard Truth for Author: Publisher Pulls ‘The Jefferson Lies’
By JENNIFER SCHUESSLER
Last month the History News Network voted David Barton’s book “The Jefferson Lies” the “least credible history book in print.” Now the book’s publisher, Thomas Nelson, has decided to stop publishing and distributing it.
The book, which argues that Thomas Jefferson was an enthusiastic orthodox Christian who saw no need for a wall of separation between church and state, has attracted plenty of criticism since it appeared in April, with an introduction by Glenn Beck. But the death knell came after Jay W. Richards, a senior fellow at the Discovery Institute and the author, with James Robison, of “Indivisible: Restoring Faith, Family and Freedom Before It’s Too Late,” began to have doubts and started an investigation.
According to the Christian magazine World, Mr. Richards, who has appeared at many conferences with Mr. Barton, asked 10 conservative Christian scholars to assess Mr. Barton’s work, and the results weren’t pretty. Glenn Moots of Northwood University in Midland, Mich., said that Mr. Barton had neglected evidence that Jefferson stood outside “orthodox, creedal, confessional Christianity.” Gregg Frazer of the Master’s College, a Christian liberal arts school in Santa Clarita, Calif., raised an eyebrow at the claim that 52 of the 55 delegates at the Constitutional Convention were “orthodox, evangelical Christians.”
On Friday, after Thomas Nelson announced its decision to stop carrying the book, Mr. Barton, who appeared on Time magazine’s list of America’s 25 most influential evangelical Christians, released a statement saying the publisher had never tried to discuss any problems with the book.“Had they done so,” he wrote,“we would have been happy to provide them with the thorough and extensive historical documentation for any question of issue they raised.”
As of Monday the book was still the top-selling book about Jefferson at Amazon.com . It also remains for sale on the Web site of WallBuilders, an organization founded by Mr. Barton that describes itself as “dedicated to presenting America’s forgotten history and heroes, with an emphasis on the moral, religious and constitutional foundation on which America was built.”
Abe Froman

Oley, PA

#11 Aug 19, 2012
I wish I cared about Sterling Lacy and everything he does like some people on this forum but I don't. Wilford Brimley, it's your fault there are so many threads about him. You are obviously obsessed with Lacy. You ought to be slapped by an angry black woman for all the stupid shit you post on Topix.

“I'm a COB and RINO Ball Buster”

Since: Jun 12

Texarkana

#12 Aug 19, 2012
Tom Horn wrote:
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Will, you are a fool. David Barton has been discredited more than once....latest to which you refer:
Hard Truth for Author: Publisher Pulls ‘The Jefferson Lies’
By JENNIFER SCHUESSLER
Last month the History News Network voted David Barton’s book “The Jefferson Lies” the “least credible history book in print.” Now the book’s publisher, Thomas Nelson, has decided to stop publishing and distributing it.
The book, which argues that Thomas Jefferson was an enthusiastic orthodox Christian who saw no need for a wall of separation between church and state, has attracted plenty of criticism since it appeared in April, with an introduction by Glenn Beck. But the death knell came after Jay W. Richards, a senior fellow at the Discovery Institute and the author, with James Robison, of “Indivisible: Restoring Faith, Family and Freedom Before It’s Too Late,” began to have doubts and started an investigation.
According to the Christian magazine World, Mr. Richards, who has appeared at many conferences with Mr. Barton, asked 10 conservative Christian scholars to assess Mr. Barton’s work, and the results weren’t pretty. Glenn Moots of Northwood University in Midland, Mich., said that Mr. Barton had neglected evidence that Jefferson stood outside “orthodox, creedal, confessional Christianity.” Gregg Frazer of the Master’s College, a Christian liberal arts school in Santa Clarita, Calif., raised an eyebrow at the claim that 52 of the 55 delegates at the Constitutional Convention were “orthodox, evangelical Christians.”
On Friday, after Thomas Nelson announced its decision to stop carrying the book, Mr. Barton, who appeared on Time magazine’s list of America’s 25 most influential evangelical Christians, released a statement saying the publisher had never tried to discuss any problems with the book.“Had they done so,” he wrote,“we would have been happy to provide them with the thorough and extensive historical documentation for any question of issue they raised.”
As of Monday the book was still the top-selling book about Jefferson at Amazon.com . It also remains for sale on the Web site of WallBuilders, an organization founded by Mr. Barton that describes itself as “dedicated to presenting America’s forgotten history and heroes, with an emphasis on the moral, religious and constitutional foundation on which America was built.”
Tommy, of COURSE the liberals are going to say he's been "discredited". Wouldn't you say he was discredited if you were trying to impose immoral laws on the people, and use false reasoning for them?

As Barton said, "...we would have been happy to provide them with the thorough and extensive historical documentation for any question of issue they raised."

I think you forgot to delete that part out of your copy-and-paste.:-)

Just the facts, RINO!!

“I'm a COB and RINO Ball Buster”

Since: Jun 12

Texarkana

#13 Aug 19, 2012
Abe Froman wrote:
I wish I cared about Sterling Lacy and everything he does like some people on this forum but I don't. Wilford Brimley, it's your fault there are so many threads about him. You are obviously obsessed with Lacy. You ought to be slapped by an angry black woman for all the stupid shit you post on Topix.
Nope! It's people like Tommy and Kevin that are obsessed with Dr. Lacy.

The only thing I'm obsessed with is the TRUTH!

Just the facts, RINO!!
edgotxs

Texarkana, AR

#14 Aug 19, 2012
you wouldn't know the truth if it hit you in the face

Since: Nov 10

Clyde, TX

#15 Aug 20, 2012
Wilford Brimley wrote:
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Tommy, of COURSE the liberals are going to say he's been "discredited". Wouldn't you say he was discredited if you were trying to impose immoral laws on the people, and use false reasoning for them?
As Barton said, "...we would have been happy to provide them with the thorough and extensive historical documentation for any question of issue they raised."
I think you forgot to delete that part out of your copy-and-paste.:-)
Just the facts, RINO!!
Jay Richards a liberal? Hardly. In addition to which his degrees are real (Priceton Theological Seminary). Have a wonderful day and enjoy your oatmeal, Mr. Brimley.

Jay Richards, Ph.D., is a Senior Fellow of the Discovery Institute where he directs the Center on Wealth, Poverty and Morality, and is a Visiting Scholar at the Institute for Faith, Work & Economics. Most recently he is the co-author with James Robison of the best-selling Indivisible: Restoring Faith, Family, and Freedom Before It's Too Late”.

In addition to writing many academic articles, books, and popular essays on a wide variety of subjects, he recently edited the new award winning anthology, God & Evolution: Protestants, Catholics and Jews Explore Darwin’s Challenge to Faith . His previous book was Money, Greed, and God: Why Capitalism Is the Solution and Not the Problem (HarperOne, May 2009), for which he received a Templeton Enterprise Award in 2010.

Richards is also executive producer of several documentaries, including The Call of the Entrepreneur, The Birth of Freedom, and Effective Stewardship (Acton Media and Zondervan, 2009). He has been featured in several television-broadcast documentaries, including The Call of the Entrepreneur, The Case for a Creator, The Wonder of Soil, and The Privileged Planet, based on his book, The Privileged Planet, with astronomer Guillermo Gonzalez.

In recent years, he has been a Contributing Editor of The American at the American Enterprise Institute, a Visiting Fellow at the Heritage Foundation, and a Research Fellow and Director of Acton Media at the Acton Institute. Richards has a B.A. with majors in Political Science and Religion, an M.Div.(Master of Divinity) and a Th.M.(Master of Theology), and a Ph.D.(with honors) in philosophy and theology from Princeton Theological Seminary.

His work has been covered in publications such as The New York Times, The Washington Post (news and editorial), Wall Street Journal; he has appeared on many national radio and TV programs, including Larry King Live; and he has lectured worldwide on a variety of subjects, including to Members of the US Congress.
Abe Froman

Oley, PA

#16 Aug 20, 2012
Wilford Brimley wrote:
<quoted text>Nope! It's people like Tommy and Kevin that are obsessed with Dr. Lacy.

The only thing I'm obsessed with is the TRUTH!

Just the facts, RINO!!
That's Mr. Rino to you.
The Falcon

Texarkana, TX

#17 Aug 20, 2012
Hey, Mr. Sausage King - Did you know some kid impersonated you at a fancy Chicago restaurant? Ran up a helluva bill!
Abe Froman

Oley, PA

#18 Aug 20, 2012
The Falcon wrote:
Hey, Mr. Sausage King - Did you know some kid impersonated you at a fancy Chicago restaurant? Ran up a helluva bill!
Yeah, I heard about that kid, Ferris Bueller, doing that. I wanted to take legal action but how can you sue a righteous dude like him? I wound up sending him 25 pounds of kielbasa because of all the free publicity and advertising he gave me.

Abe Froman
The Sausage King of Chicago
save Ferris

United States

#19 Aug 20, 2012
Abe Froman wrote:
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Yeah, I heard about that kid, Ferris Bueller, doing that. I wanted to take legal action but how can you sue a righteous dude like him? I wound up sending him 25 pounds of kielbasa because of all the free publicity and advertising he gave me.
Abe Froman
The Sausage King of Chicago
Save Ferris!
Abe Froman

Oley, PA

#20 Aug 20, 2012
save Ferris wrote:
<quoted text>Save Ferris!
Right on!
Abe Froman
The Sausage King of Chicago
Fun person

United States

#21 Aug 26, 2012
Dr lacy? Is this randy lacy ?

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