Jail and the jailers.............................

[Hopper]

Misdemeanors do not go to DOC. Yes, some people go to DOC with maybe weeks or months left to do but that is because of the suspended portions of a felony sentence and credit time knocking it down. Someone being sentenced to do 3 years after sitting in jail for a while is a perfect example. 3 years = 18 months minus credit - suspended = not much left.

get it right wrote:

<quoted text>I have seen many, many, many people go to DOC with less than a year. Apparently you do not know what you are talking about.

[Hopper]

Cost = Roughly $16,425 per offender per year based on a $45 per diem. This does not include medical. I could ramble on about the ratios between incarceration dollars vs. treatment dollars and how much the taxpayer would SAVE (roughly $14,000 per), AND prevent recidivism at the same time but a lot of people do not want to listen but I hear you though and fully agree.

these are people wrote:

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Yes, I agree we shouldn't be wasting tax dollars. There are better resources for drug addiction than prison. This would save you and I and all the others a great deal. When you have a person that has never been in trouble and conformed to societies laws as you say, but messes up one time there is alternate to prison which is a very strict program with the option of pulling the person back and sending them to prison at anytime if they do not conform. This is an 18-24 month program. So hard to fool the staff for that long of a period.
The program I am talking about would cost less than $180.00 total, while prison is a great-great deal more costly. Why would anyone prefer prison? All I can think of is to get the publicity of being hard on crime. When careers are more important than lives, we have a problem, and I am sorry to say this is what is happening in some part of our country. Yes, I agree let's try to prevent crime instead of creating more and save money at the same time.
So you feel your kids are so great, they would never try drugs. Hey you never know when they are in another state with no family and feel their world is falling apart, you have no idea what someone can do by telling them this will make you feel better--and from what I am told--yes, it does. Hey, I would have said the same thing you say, I would have bet my life that this one would not do it. What I am saying is you do not know. Today it is mine, tomorrow it could be yours. Why don't we try to save money and find a better solution at the same time. Work on the problem and try to get change because before long it can be your child.

[get it right]

Hopper wrote:

Misdemeanors do not go to DOC. Yes, some people go to DOC with maybe weeks or months left to do but that is because of the suspended portions of a felony sentence and credit time knocking it down. Someone being sentenced to do 3 years after sitting in jail for a while is a perfect example. 3 years = 18 months minus credit - suspended = not much left.
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I said nothing about misdemeanors going to DOC. Someone said no one goes to DOC with less than a year. I was just stating that yes people do go there with less than a year. For the reason that you just stated. If you only go to DOC with a few weeks or couple months to serve.....that is going with less than a year.....just like I stated in my previous post.

[get it right]

Hopper wrote:

Cost = Roughly $16,425 per offender per year based on a $45 per diem. This does not include medical. I could ramble on about the ratios between incarceration dollars vs. treatment dollars and how much the taxpayer would SAVE (roughly $14,000 per), AND prevent recidivism at the same time but a lot of people do not want to listen but I hear you though and fully agree.
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Too bad we can't get the right people to listen and agree!! Our system is not working now. I can't understand why they would not want to at least try a new, definately cheaper, and maybe more effective way of doing things.

[These are People]

Hopper wrote:

Cost = Roughly $16,425 per offender per year based on a $45 per diem. This does not include medical. I could ramble on about the ratios between incarceration dollars vs. treatment dollars and how much the taxpayer would SAVE (roughly $14,000 per), AND prevent recidivism at the same time but a lot of people do not want to listen but I hear you though and fully agree.
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Thanks, I appreciate the information. Hopefully, in the future things may improve. More and more people that never thought they would see this world are now here. Maybe those of us that have walked the high and mighty road and then suddenly find ourselves in the other, can somehow reach those that will not listen. What does it take to wake people up--I am still trying to learn.

I know there are many organizations trying and these groups are full of people like me. A search on the internet will list many I have joined all I can. Maybe someday we can make a difference.

Many in law enforcement are now joining in the fight. However, there will always be those that this crime provides them with the chance to enhance their own careers. A life is of no importance to some if they can advance their career. It is your money and my money they are wasting to do it.

[interested]

these are people wrote:

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Yes, I agree we shouldn't be wasting tax dollars. There are better resources for drug addiction than prison. This would save you and I and all the others a great deal. When you have a person that has never been in trouble and conformed to societies laws as you say, but messes up one time there is alternate to prison which is a very strict program with the option of pulling the person back and sending them to prison at anytime if they do not conform. This is an 18-24 month program. So hard to fool the staff for that long of a period.
The program I am talking about would cost less than $180.00 total, while prison is a great-great deal more costly. Why would anyone prefer prison? All I can think of is to get the publicity of being hard on crime. When careers are more important than lives, we have a problem, and I am sorry to say this is what is happening in some part of our country. Yes, I agree let's try to prevent crime instead of creating more and save money at the same time.
So you feel your kids are so great, they would never try drugs. Hey you never know when they are in another state with no family and feel their world is falling apart, you have no idea what someone can do by telling them this will make you feel better--and from what I am told--yes, it does. Hey, I would have said the same thing you say, I would have bet my life that this one would not do it. What I am saying is you do not know. Today it is mine, tomorrow it could be yours. Why don't we try to save money and find a better solution at the same time. Work on the problem and try to get change because before long it can be your child.

I have seen you bumping your gums about the poor little convicts till I am sick. As someone who works in the prison system I a would like to say YOU DON"T DO 20 YEARS FOR ADDICTION!!!!! YOU DON'T DO 20 YEARS FOR FIRST....SECOND ...OR THIRD TIME POSSION!!!! You do 20 years for big time distributing, or third or fourth time distributing. Ten to one your poor little misunderstood angel also has convivtions for robbery/theft or weapons charges.
Yes, someone who is caught with a personal use amount should do counseling, but some one who is dealing, distributing that poison to the strrets where kids gan contact it is nothing but a criminal and should be treated as such.

[interested]

and before the spelling patrol jumps up, wes I know that I misspelled a couple of words, I was also talking to my kids. But misspelling does not invalidate the truth

[these are people]

No robbery, theft, weapons, or prior criminal charges, or any drug charges. Why then--big drug lord got away during the time someone involved was running for high office. Many promotions were suddenly going to fall through. Not true--why is the case filed under the person's name that got away.

How can they do it--pile on the charges whether true or not--this makes hiring a lawyer out of range. Have a judge give a very high bond--researched excessive bail--didn't fit for him--per lawyer doesn't matter, they can say flight risk--everyone is--but use it at will.

Have the newspaper print things that are untrue (found one person involved was once employed by major news station and now read from a reported in another state that some officals here have a very cozy relationship with the paper). Checked on suing newpaper & told difficult & very expensive--if I could afford this I could have afforded a lawyer before.

Yes, he was selling, but from his home not the street--not to anyone under 21 (they have all the info). Listed as a big dealer--however, when broke down door found a person with very little, and only about 100 dollars--not what reported.

They throw in school zone at will. Does not have to be school can be many things per lawyer this will fit almost any place in the city so throw it in at will (not a school--found a socceer field they were able to get inside boundary by a few feet). With this they can get more time.

Yes he was guilty as was the girlfriend that was in from the beginning. She & her brother both had probation--brother who had prior prison time now rearrested for DUI--can't find case even listed.

I could tell you much more. About the appointed lawyer who never would visit & never heard his side. How he turned out to be only a traffic ticket lawyer. How he was not allowed to discuss case with his family. About the DA and many things he did. How the person from the Sentencing wanted to give probation but said she couldn't due to amount of charges. About the Detective who lied at sentencing and how this was removed from the transcript and they tell me no audio recording. How they can influence a judge.

Yes, he was guilty--but not as he was charged. This is the 2nd time I have tried to enter this. Had to cut it down so can not tell you all

I later read about a big government official who said this one area has the most corrupt government in the USA.

[so true]

these are people wrote:

No robbery, theft, weapons, or prior criminal charges, or any drug charges. Why then--big drug lord got away during the time someone involved was running for high office. Many promotions were suddenly going to fall through. Not true--why is the case filed under the person's name that got away.
How can they do it--pile on the charges whether true or not--this makes hiring a lawyer out of range. Have a judge give a very high bond--researched excessive bail--didn't fit for him--per lawyer doesn't matter, they can say flight risk--everyone is--but use it at will.
Have the newspaper print things that are untrue (found one person involved was once employed by major news station and now read from a reported in another state that some officals here have a very cozy relationship with the paper). Checked on suing newpaper & told difficult & very expensive--if I could afford this I could have afforded a lawyer before.
Yes, he was selling, but from his home not the street--not to anyone under 21 (they have all the info). Listed as a big dealer--however, when broke down door found a person with very little, and only about 100 dollars--not what reported.
They throw in school zone at will. Does not have to be school can be many things per lawyer this will fit almost any place in the city so throw it in at will (not a school--found a socceer field they were able to get inside boundary by a few feet). With this they can get more time.
Yes he was guilty as was the girlfriend that was in from the beginning. She & her brother both had probation--brother who had prior prison time now rearrested for DUI--can't find case even listed.
I could tell you much more. About the appointed lawyer who never would visit & never heard his side. How he turned out to be only a traffic ticket lawyer. How he was not allowed to discuss case with his family. About the DA and many things he did. How the person from the Sentencing wanted to give probation but said she couldn't due to amount of charges. About the Detective who lied at sentencing and how this was removed from the transcript and they tell me no audio recording. How they can influence a judge.
Yes, he was guilty--but not as he was charged. This is the 2nd time I have tried to enter this. Had to cut it down so can not tell you all
I later read about a big government official who said this one area has the most corrupt government in the USA.

I believe you. I have experienced it all. You are so right. People that have never been in this sort of situation do not believe things like this can happen. Well they do. I have known many people who have received 20 years on first offense drug charges. These people also did not have guns, large amounts of cash or drugs and were not selling to children. I'm in no way condoning what they done, but something else needs to be done.

[these are people]

Thanks So True. Yes, and the problem is our biggest handicap when we first see these things is we don't believe them ourselves. We believe in the system of justice and cannot believe what is unfolding. We think we are just imagining it. It was only after it was all over and researching that I learned a lot of what I now know. I believe the lawyer was actually a fairly honest guy, but was in over his head and unable to fight the pressure.

As far as being coddled. No, he was in another state due to his father being there with the military and moving on when he turned 18 and had just finished high school. No family was there to coddle. When we first learned the news we were furious believing the news wouldn't lie. It was only later that someone was able to contact the father and until 2 months later when he finally got to see a lawyer that we learned it was not all true. So we came on the scene later. We were told to keep quite and just let things simmer down--which I also believe was the wrong advice. I really am wondering if the lawyer was there to represent or to appear he was represented.

You think they get one call home. No, the only phone number he knew by heart was his dad's and he had a cell phone so couldn't get a call through.

As you say, until you actually see it, no, you don't believe it.

[Ahh_The Irony]

While you all wax sympathetic on the plight of the poor, misunderstood drug addict, right this very second a productive citizen's home or property are being violated and stolen to pay for a habit. The point being that the addiction isn't really the key issue. The reason that these addicts need to be incarcerated is to protect the citizens who have nothing to do with their problems and were smart enough to avoid drugs in the first place. It is my sincere belief that the lion's share of theft and burglary in the greater Terre Haute area can be directly linked to drug abuse. About the time that one of these poor, lost souls breaks into your home and steals some priceless family heirloom for a fix, I genuinely doubt you will be quite so liberal and forgiving about it all.
I think it worthwhile to point out that the majority of the people arguing for decriminalization are those with family members involved. If you think they just need more help then I strongly suggest that you provide it. Meanwhile, the rest of us will be perfectly happy to have them away from us!

[echosmyron31]

terre haute is wonderful i know a county employee who lives with his mom and is kinda like the enforcer for her drug operation. his job is related to the jail the mother deserves to be there. alot of my friends are hooked on her pain meds. hes a big guy so if someone gets mouthy he takes over. he should be cell mates with david decker

[Hmm]

echosmyron31 wrote:

terre haute is wonderful i know a county employee who lives with his mom and is kinda like the enforcer for her drug operation. his job is related to the jail the mother deserves to be there. alot of my friends are hooked on her pain meds. hes a big guy so if someone gets mouthy he takes over. he should be cell mates with david decker

Well, I guess since you posted this you have some tangible evidence that supports your claims. I would highly recommend you turn that evidence over to police and/or prosecutors so charges can be filed.

What? You don't have any real evidence? Oh. Well then. STFU.

[these are people]

Ahh_The Irony wrote:

While you all wax sympathetic on the plight of the poor, misunderstood drug addict, right this very second a productive citizen's home or property are being violated and stolen to pay for a habit. The point being that the addiction isn't really the key issue. The reason that these addicts need to be incarcerated is to protect the citizens who have nothing to do with their problems and were smart enough to avoid drugs in the first place. It is my sincere belief that the lion's share of theft and burglary in the greater Terre Haute area can be directly linked to drug abuse. About the time that one of these poor, lost souls breaks into your home and steals some priceless family heirloom for a fix, I genuinely doubt you will be quite so liberal and forgiving about it all.
I think it worthwhile to point out that the majority of the people arguing for decriminalization are those with family members involved. If you think they just need more help then I strongly suggest that you provide it. Meanwhile, the rest of us will be perfectly happy to have them away from us!

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If you will read before you post you will see most on here are not saving no punishment. What people are saying is there is a better way. When a person has never been in trouble before and never a violent crime, there is an alternate to prison program that is still confinement for 18 months to 2 years. With this program there is still the option to pull them at any time and send to prison. This is a very very much cheaper program than prison. They will also get training against drug abuse. Do you want to save money and maybe turn some lives around or is it just punishment that is on your mind?

With our prison system, 25 percent that enter as non-violent will learn violence in prison. So we are not decreasing crime with prison but increasing it. It is your money and mine. I would prefer to save money and maybe make a difference, but according to you, you want to waste the money.

One in 10 families now have a loved one in prison or that has been in prison. As I told another, sit in church on Sunday and count out 100 people according to statistics about 10 of them should have someone in prison or that has been. So your chances of being a member of these families is growing greater all the time. Do you want to change, or do you want to continue? Is punishment all that is on your mind?

The main reason for prison instead of alternate is to promote someone who wants to say I am hard on crime. This is a person who doesn't care one bit about what happens to his world, as long as he can looks good and gets that promotion. So do you want to join with him or do you want to try and stop crime? Do you want to waste money or do you want to save it?

[huh]

wow it sounds to me like alot of people on here are very judgemental just because someone uses drugs or used drugs or has been to jail or are in jail it does not make them a bad person i have been in juvinile and im not a bad person same as jail and ive done alot of dumbshyt its not that im a bad person it BAD CHOICEs doesnt mean yu need to be shot or treated like a damn animal just because you made bad choice