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Uncle Charley Manson

Shepardsville, IN

#1 Jun 17, 2012
Tribune-Star quotes Jim Sinclair, CEO of Gibault--commenting on violence committed by recent walk-offs, as follow: "The bottom line is the community wants these incidents to not occur, but I don't think that's realistic."
WTF??? Should this idiot be tarred and feathered and run out of town on a rail (figuratively speaking, of course) or what??
Ratchetmouth

Clinton, IN

#2 Jun 17, 2012
Uncle Charley Manson wrote:
Tribune-Star quotes Jim Sinclair, CEO of Gibault--commenting on violence committed by recent walk-offs, as follow: "The bottom line is the community wants these incidents to not occur, but I don't think that's realistic."
WTF??? Should this idiot be tarred and feathered and run out of town on a rail (figuratively speaking, of course) or what??
Why isn't it realistic? Those childrene are under the care of the people employed in that facility. Parents, judicials and local citizens have a right to expect the children to be supervised and kept out of trouble as much as possible.
If his thinking was correct we should expect frequent walkaways from the federal pen too. Either is unacceptable.
JJJ10

La Grange, IL

#3 Jun 17, 2012
Ridculous comparable to the penitentiary. The kids at Gibault are deemed by the court Children In Need of Services. This judicial ruling allows the state to place the kids in a residential treatment program. Gibault is not juvenile detention. Your issue is not with Gibault but rather with the courts more appropriately sentencing delinquents to a detention center where they can legally be kept from leaving grounds.
Real

Terre Haute, IN

#4 Jun 17, 2012
Very unpopular comments from Sinclair, but he is right. Gibault is a treatment facility, not a prison. They are in accordance with state and federal laws and they provide services as such. Nobody wants people from our community getting hurt as a result of these runaways, and certainly Gibault can't afford the negative publicity. But if we are expecting changes from Gibault in terms of how they house their clients, well then it's not gonna happen. No powers to be in this town will be able to shut this place down either because Sinclair has a lot of clout in indianapolis. Just stating facts.
Ratchetmouth

Clinton, IN

#5 Jun 17, 2012
If your child is in daycare and they tell you they could not stop your toddler from leaving the premises. As a result your child wandered into the street and got into situations that were potentially dangerous to him. Maybe to motorists as well since they were dodging the child in the busy roadway.
Are you going to tell me you wouldn't be irate?
It is the same principle. Those kids are at Gibault for a reason, their judgment making skills are poor just like a small child's would be.
If my rebellious teen is enrolled there and I learn that he is our roaming the streets without supervision while Gibault is accepting payment for supervising, I'm gonna be a bit pissed.
bfife

Indianapolis, IN

#6 Jun 17, 2012
Treatment facility my a$$, its all about the money, do ya think there is a kid in there whos pareants dont have good insurance or are not on medicaid?
It needs to be run as a detention center or shut down, whats gonna happen when another one of the little darlins break out...silly me....walks off and someone shoots him when he hits them in the head with a bottle??
Did any of the parents who had children involved in the car crash that occured when the last kids walked away from there happen to sue Gibalt??...just wondering.
Real

Terre Haute, IN

#7 Jun 17, 2012
Ratchetmouth wrote:
If your child is in daycare and they tell you they could not stop your toddler from leaving the premises. As a result your child wandered into the street and got into situations that were potentially dangerous to him. Maybe to motorists as well since they were dodging the child in the busy roadway.
Are you going to tell me you wouldn't be irate?
It is the same principle. Those kids are at Gibault for a reason, their judgment making skills are poor just like a small child's would be.
If my rebellious teen is enrolled there and I learn that he is our roaming the streets without supervision while Gibault is accepting payment for supervising, I'm gonna be a bit pissed.
I would be irate too, but many of these kids have parents who are not irate from their kids decisions. The problems that these kids have is generational, extended families of gang affiliation, generations of sexual and physical abuse, chronic poverty. Complete survival mode. Their placement is not paid by the parents, but by the appropriate state /local departments. Parents are part of the placement process but many are minimally involved if involved at all. Daycare is totally different. I think you are mistaking my words as support for Gibault. I also live in this community and the last thing I want is to get assulted and carjacked by a couple of runaways. I
m just saying that I'm assuming that they are in accordance with their guidelines. If they are not, then they need to quickly before anyone else gets hurt
Uncle Charley Manson

Shepardsville, IN

#8 Jun 17, 2012
Real wrote:
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I would be irate too, but many of these kids have parents who are not irate from their kids decisions. The problems that these kids have is generational, extended families of gang affiliation, generations of sexual and physical abuse, chronic poverty. Complete survival mode. Their placement is not paid by the parents, but by the appropriate state /local departments. Parents are part of the placement process but many are minimally involved if involved at all. Daycare is totally different. I think you are mistaking my words as support for Gibault. I also live in this community and the last thing I want is to get assulted and carjacked by a couple of runaways. I
m just saying that I'm assuming that they are in accordance with their guidelines. If they are not, then they need to quickly before anyone else gets hurt
Perhaps it is time to consider the possibility that, as with many other things, the time for facilities like Gibault (at least in its current incarnation and location) have passed? And what bearing should "friends in Indianapois" have on the the quality of life on citizens of Vigo county?
Ratchetmouth

United States

#9 Jun 17, 2012
Real wrote:
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I would be irate too, but many of these kids have parents who are not irate from their kids decisions. The problems that these kids have is generational, extended families of gang affiliation, generations of sexual and physical abuse, chronic poverty. Complete survival mode. Their placement is not paid by the parents, but by the appropriate state /local departments. Parents are part of the placement process but many are minimally involved if involved at all. Daycare is totally different. I think you are mistaking my words as support for Gibault. I also live in this community and the last thing I want is to get assulted and carjacked by a couple of runaways. I
m just saying that I'm assuming that they are in accordance with their guidelines. If they are not, then they need to quickly before anyone else gets hurt
No, I didn't suspect you for a Gibault supporter. Who I was being critical of was Sinclair. You're right, some of these kids are being supplemented by United Way monies. There may still be some private tuition students like there were years ago, but I'm not sure of that. It's obvious the parent has either lost control or never had it with these kids. They need supervision and guidance not freedom to run the streets.
The same principle applies to both daycare and bad boy school. When you turn your child over to others you expect them to actually take care of them.
Ratchetmouth

United States

#10 Jun 17, 2012
My comment about daycare was in response to jjj10.
KK Kool

Terre Haute, IN

#11 Jun 18, 2012
they'll be shut down by the end of the year anyway....
Peanut

Bloomington, IN

#12 Jun 19, 2012
maybe if the staff wasnt busy screwing each other they could watch the clients like they are suppose to!
Knucklehead

Clinton, IN

#13 Jun 20, 2012
Well there was another walkaway this morning. She was found in Richland Manor "checking out" a residence. How long before Gibault admin learns a lesson?
Concerned

Terre Haute, IN

#14 Jun 21, 2012
Part of the reason for the recent amount of walk aways at Gibault is the reduction of staff that monitors the clients. They only have one security staff memeber. One is not enough to take care of all the situations that come up there in a day. Also child care staff has been cut to a bare minimum. There is no way that the kids are getting te supervision that is needed within a place like this. That is why the recent amount of incidents. It is not going to get any better until the administration realize this. if they can not afford the staff to insure the clients are being supervised properly, then it is not a place that should be housing these kids. it is nothing about the kids, it is about staffing to control situations before they get out of control. Even the education staff is used more to control situations other than to educate the kids. This says something is seriously wornf there when they are denied an education because of other issues. It all boils down to Sinclair, who is the controller not being "realistic" himself it seems.
jww3

Shepardsville, IN

#15 Jun 21, 2012
i thought Sinclair moved OUT of Terre Haute?
moving on up

Shepardsville, IN

#16 Jun 21, 2012
I heard that Sinclair and his family moved from the south end of town about three or four years ago and is living in Indy. Does he commute to this job?
thatguy

Terre Haute, IN

#17 Jun 21, 2012
get some of those shock collars and invisible fence for them. Then nobody has to restrain them.

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#18 Jun 21, 2012
Sounds like the school needs shut down then. It is becoming a danger to the community.
ex employee

United States

#21 Jun 21, 2012
Safety and structure were there prior to Sinclair. His first order of business was to chase off the productive staff and independent thinkers because he wanted to surround himself with sheep and "yes men". Physical restraints are only justified when used to maintain safety. Sinclair has forced his unrealistic definition of what is safe and what is not onto the staff. His vision is much different from other agencies that accept the same kinds of kids. Maybe all of his time spent in Indianapolis has given him great insight into what is safe for Terre Haute? I bet he couldn't name 5 kids on that campus if they were lined up in front of him.
Truth

Las Vegas, NV

#22 Jun 21, 2012
Gibault has an admissions review committee who superficially screens every juvenile who is referred to their campus. This committee consists of the executive director, residential director, principal, psychologist, and clinical director. When a referral is placed into the campus computer system, each of these committee members reviews the juvenile’s file when they have the individual time to do so. Barring the rare email between staff, the committee members do not formally meet together or discuss anything regarding the referral. They merely review the file individually and sign off on it. Those committee members who feel as though the referral will not benefit from residential treatment or who believe that the juvenile will present a significant risk to other Gibault residents, their staff, or the surrounding community are rejected for placement. Those committee members who feel that the referral is not suited for Gibault services list their objections on the referral form and submit it back to the executive director and the admission coordinator. And that’s where the screening process falls into a black hole. Regardless of the listed objections, regardless of the voiced concerns, regardless of which committee member disagrees with the appropriateness of the referral, the juvenile is admitted into Gibault anyway. Every single kid who is referred is admitted. All of them. The screening process is a complete façade. Gibault will literally take anyone and everyone who is referred. So what quality of juveniles are they bringing into the community?

Here’s how it works: A juvenile offender presents behavior problems within their home, school, or community and is referred to residential placement due to the severity of their issues. Those who experience problems at home (e.g. sexually abusing their siblings, assaulting their parents, runaway, etc.) often become involved with the Department of Children Services. For juveniles who demonstrate behavior difficulties within the school setting (e.g. truancy, aggression toward teachers, severe learning disabilities, etc.), they are typically referred through the Department of Education. And those who exhibit delinquent behaviors in the community (armed robbery, rape, attempted murder, etc.) are referred through the juvenile’s respective county probation department. Historically, Gibault has had an approximate even distribution of referrals from each of these three departments. But as the state funding has been hemmed back, the allocated monies that are used for residential referrals have been reduced. Thus, the referral base has shrunk overall and those juveniles who do get placed are far more violent and in need of services than those of 10 years ago.

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