Housing Authority "POLICE" Security

Housing Authority "POLICE" Security

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huh

Terre Haute, IN

#2 Oct 12, 2011
I would abide by your lease. Read it again and see if there is a policy reguarding security. If there is nothing in your lease about abiding by what they say then ignore them. They are there for the purpose of the property not the people in it. Your friend should have fought being evicted. They should not be able to evict anyone for just word of mouth thats just hear say. How was she in violation with housing? Anyone can call them and say you are doing/have drugs. Also call an attourney and or police or google what your rights are. Reguardless whom they work for you have rights that should not be violated. So make sure you call someone and do not rely on what you see here on topix. Knowing for sure is more safe than the hear say you will recieve here. Also call housing after you have learned your rights and ask them for a better understanding of the harassment you recieve living there.
Just Me

Indianapolis, IN

#3 Oct 12, 2011
I am not a resident there but I do know one that was evicted for the reason mentioned above.
She stated that the "officer" entered her home unlawfully and found what appeared to be a roach.
This is a sad situation knowing you have no power to fight back and if you do you could face retaliation....and this is America?
Jukieybirdy

Paris, IL

#4 Oct 12, 2011
Pay for your now housing and you wouldn't have to worry about it.
Get a job and move, nothing but white trash and ni ers live in there.
huh

Terre Haute, IN

#5 Oct 12, 2011
There you go take it from the west t bigot! Feel free to believe others are white trash. Pot calling the kettle black aye?!?
MoreHead

Terre Haute, IN

#6 Oct 12, 2011
Funny, I pay 1200.00 a month for my home. I pay property taxes of 2200.00 a year, utilities of around 400.00 a month and maintain my own lawn. I come and go as I please, have whomever I care to over (sometimes they spend the night), my neighbors are great, I smoke pot when I want to and sometimes make a little (just a little) noise. You might want to look into paying (or t least market value) for your living space....very few rules.
Just Me

Indianapolis, IN

#7 Oct 12, 2011
Hey, the Gov. has to start somewhere, so they start with the people that they pay every month.
How long will it be till they tell you 'MoreHead' who you may have at your house?
Hmmm

Dallas, TX

#8 Oct 12, 2011
MoreHead wrote:
Funny, I pay 1200.00 a month for my home. I pay property taxes of 2200.00 a year, utilities of around 400.00 a month and maintain my own lawn. I come and go as I please, have whomever I care to over (sometimes they spend the night), my neighbors are great, I smoke pot when I want to and sometimes make a little (just a little) noise. You might want to look into paying (or t least market value) for your living space....very few rules.
Very well said!!! It's hard to believe people will complain when you're giving them free or greatly discounted housing. in my opinion these people don't really have the right to complain.
Seen this coming

Terre Haute, IN

#9 Oct 12, 2011
Yep! From all I know and heard it is true! The security wannabes are without any doubt out of control! I will say this about the people living there though. Yes you are getting reduced rent. But you still have rights and if it is not in your lease that you agreed to and signed, then you do not have to put up with these bullies. Immediately call the police anytime you feel scared or threatened and especially by these bullies! I highly recomend speaking with a civil rights attorney. Intimidation and scare tactics are not acceptable! Good luck with the situation and hopefully it will get resolved soon.
down on my luck

Indianapolis, IN

#10 Oct 12, 2011
What alot of people probably dont realize is that when you sign a lease agreement for federal housing, or live on federal property, there are no 4th amendment rights. As far as the housing security, I did consult an attorney. After reviewing the lease and HUD papers, he pretty much told me that the security are an extension of the housing authority... or "agents there of". He also said that because "the projects" is considered private property, Housing Authority and its "agents" have more authority than THPD on the property. Speaking of THPD, I called them on several occasions ranging from a loud noise complaint to battery to large fights. Every time I called, they told me the same thing... call housing security, they can deal with it. Oh, and according to the lease, even the "suspicion" of drugs or drug related activity is grounds of eviction. My lease is pretty specific. Im sure others are just as specific. Just my 2 cents.
Yep

United States

#11 Oct 12, 2011
down on my luck wrote:
What alot of people probably dont realize is that when you sign a lease agreement for federal housing, or live on federal property, there are no 4th amendment rights. As far as the housing security, I did consult an attorney. After reviewing the lease and HUD papers, he pretty much told me that the security are an extension of the housing authority... or "agents there of". He also said that because "the projects" is considered private property, Housing Authority and its "agents" have more authority than THPD on the property. Speaking of THPD, I called them on several occasions ranging from a loud noise complaint to battery to large fights. Every time I called, they told me the same thing... call housing security, they can deal with it. Oh, and according to the lease, even the "suspicion" of drugs or drug related activity is grounds of eviction. My lease is pretty specific. Im sure others are just as specific. Just my 2 cents.
Your post is very accurate. It is federally subsidized housing and by living there residents do forfeit certain rights. That's just part of the trade off. Don't like it, buy your own home.

It's actually refreshing seeing someone trying to keep the riff raff out (as much as is possible due to the inherent nature of the average resident).
Seen this coming

Terre Haute, IN

#12 Oct 12, 2011
down on my luck wrote:
What alot of people probably dont realize is that when you sign a lease agreement for federal housing, or live on federal property, there are no 4th amendment rights. As far as the housing security, I did consult an attorney. After reviewing the lease and HUD papers, he pretty much told me that the security are an extension of the housing authority... or "agents there of". He also said that because "the projects" is considered private property, Housing Authority and its "agents" have more authority than THPD on the property. Speaking of THPD, I called them on several occasions ranging from a loud noise complaint to battery to large fights. Every time I called, they told me the same thing... call housing security, they can deal with it. Oh, and according to the lease, even the "suspicion" of drugs or drug related activity is grounds of eviction. My lease is pretty specific. Im sure others are just as specific. Just my 2 cents.
I do not agree about the 4th amendment rights being signed off. The lease I read that a friend has says nothing about 4th amendment rights. I did read what you stated about the "suspicion" of drugs or drug related activity is grounds for eviction in the lease though. I do believe that any resonable person on a jury or any judge would conclude that common sense would mean a person with certified training in the drug field. Otherwise I can just go to security and tell them I think there is drug activity at an address and they can get a person evicted without cause because they suspect the activity because someone told them so. I also believe that a court would find it unconsitutional and illegal for a security guard to be entering any residence as a serious issue unless it was under an emergency situation. I have seen and talked to the clowns that they have working security and I honestly can not imagine they have any certifications except for clown licenses. I hope that I am wrong but I am sure I am right about them not having any real experience or training in what they are trying to do. I say leave the police work to the professionally trained police and assist police if they ask them to do something, otherwise they should do security work and lease enforcement as their jobs which is what they were hired to do. SECURITY work! Police go to police calls and security should be a visual deterent and report what they observe to the housing authority or to the police if it is criminal activity and make a good witness for the prosicution. I think security in the housing authority is a great thing, but not untrained clowns like they have now.
Truth is slowly comin out

Terre Haute, IN

#13 Oct 12, 2011
This is a link to their previous supervisor, Richard Fulk, who was arrested on felony charges several months prior to working at the housing authority and still has pending criminal felony cases in Vigo County Division 6 Court.

http://www.thebraziltimes.com/story/1474377.h...

The guy they have working now as the supervisor was hand picked by Richard Fulk to be a supervisor prior to him being fired by the housing authority security company. Does anyone see any problems beginning to surface about the caliber of a security company and guards they have working in our housing authority? I think they might only have one or two decent men working for them. What a sad shame!
huh

Terre Haute, IN

#14 Oct 12, 2011
down on my luck wrote:
What alot of people probably dont realize is that when you sign a lease agreement for federal housing, or live on federal property, there are no 4th amendment rights. As far as the housing security, I did consult an attorney. After reviewing the lease and HUD papers, he pretty much told me that the security are an extension of the housing authority... or "agents there of". He also said that because "the projects" is considered private property, Housing Authority and its "agents" have more authority than THPD on the property. Speaking of THPD, I called them on several occasions ranging from a loud noise complaint to battery to large fights. Every time I called, they told me the same thing... call housing security, they can deal with it. Oh, and according to the lease, even the "suspicion" of drugs or drug related activity is grounds of eviction. My lease is pretty specific. Im sure others are just as specific. Just my 2 cents.
What you are missing with and and all housing you do have 4th amendment rights! You are suspect of random inspections at any givin time but they must inform you first and have you present. They can not and do not just show up and inter your home. Its a routine inspection by housing and you agree to it when signing a lease. So yes your fourth amendment remains intact! Also hired security is not granted the right to perform such inspections!
down on my luck

Indianapolis, IN

#15 Oct 12, 2011
huh wrote:
<quoted text> What you are missing with and and all housing you do have 4th amendment rights! You are suspect of random inspections at any givin time but they must inform you first and have you present. They can not and do not just show up and inter your home. Its a routine inspection by housing and you agree to it when signing a lease. So yes your fourth amendment remains intact! Also hired security is not granted the right to perform such inspections!
Just give Jeff Stewart a call. Or Terry M. They will tell you what security can and cant do.
Imagine that

Terre Haute, IN

#17 Oct 12, 2011
Imagine that! I think this falls under the old headline! Told you so! The city police have had issues with this 3 ring circus security outfit since they started this past spring. What they are doing is violating these peoples rights in my opinion. They handcuff people and place them under citizens arrest frequently. We the police show up and have to haul the poor person to jail wether we agree or not. They are way outside their bounds. They are impersonating police and let me make this clear. I will turn the tables on them the first chance I get! The people living in the housing authority deserve to have their rights protected. Dispite what most people think, there are some really good people that live there and they do pay rent! I do support having security in the housing authority and believe it would be a great benifit to the residents and our community. It makes good sense to have them their, UNTIL you have these type of security nit wits playing police and violating peoples rights and breaking the law. Several of us officers talk with them and then laugh at them because of how stupid they are! I have respect for only one of the officers working for them and he does not even like the other officers and has serious issues with them also. Probably the same security officer that told the poster of this thread they are not police!
To: Down on my luck
I don't think Terre Modisett really knows and / or realized what is going on down there YET. If he did, I know him well enough that he would not tolorate it! Jeff Stewart I can not speak for because I do not know him very well. And yes those people most definately have their 4th amendment rights intact! I read the lease and it is in no way worded anywhere that they have waived their 4th amendment rights! You are totally misinformed or you can not read if you have a copy of the lease.
Law suit coming

Terre Haute, IN

#18 Oct 13, 2011
All I can say is wow! That is ?ucked up! I say hang em all! No call for any of that. Go get an attorney and sue the hell out of them for rights violations! Then move out of the projects and continue to live on goverment money from your law suit! The person in charge of this fiasco needs to be FIRED!
enuf said

Terre Haute, IN

#19 Oct 13, 2011
I think you should go to the property manager and tell them about your concerns. You should call the police if you are a victim to a crime and should not tolorate the security placing you or your famiy at risk. Your tip of the iceburg sounds serious to me. Your complaints and concerns are very valid.
Lawyer time

Terre Haute, IN

#20 Oct 13, 2011
I agree with most everyone commenting. You need to go to the property manager and tell them what is really going on and voice your complaint. And you need to go get a lawyer and sue the security officers. I also think you need to contact the police department and make a report.
Anonymous

United States

#21 Oct 13, 2011
I will be using my funds to move my daughter out of there because she was evicted due to a familiar story from the top. She has asked for an extension of her deadline. She was unable to meet due to no funds to make a move so with that being said I'm doing what any mother would do and paying to move her!!!!! Do I have the money to do that? Heck no I don't and it will reflect on my life as well. She has worked and lived there for 3 yrs. She is very sick as she is insulin dependent. She tries her hardest to make ends meet!!!!! I called the manager myself to let her know she was not going to be out and she was having a panic attack of knowing she could lose eveything she owns!!!! She has told me about these so called security and I do understand the projects need it. But there is a line you can not cross and thats are rights as citizens of the "poor" USA. Our economy is in such bad state that it is tough for the people who work as well not living in the projects. I will be notifying the civil rights union and getting guidance for this situation!!!!! To top it all off this is not a high priced condo either. My daughter has lived with cock roaches and has had a hot water leak in her tub upstairs reported several times and not fixed correctly. We have pictures of fuzzy type mold growing on her wall in the bathroom. Safe environment? No don't think so. The hot water is set so high that you could possibly receive 2nd degree burns from it. Safe? Don't think so!!!!! And the bug sprayer that comes to spray is from Plymouth ,Ind. at the time and was only spraying the apt. which was infested. Did they spray the whole building? NO so they continue to run back and forth. So is this somewhere you would want to raise your kids?????? Mine is out of there!!!!!!!!!!
Just Me

Indianapolis, IN

#22 Oct 13, 2011
I see all these complaints and wonder how long it will be till the revolution that is going on in other countries starts here?
Its stuff like this that starts riots , we cant let them treat our down on thier luck and poor like this or We The People are next!

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