Tough Call

Terre Haute, IN

#61 Jan 23, 2012
Since wages are at the bottom of all this political propoganda, maybe it's time we examine supply and demand. Perhaps the reason these shops can hire someone for much cheaper is because there are more plumbers, carpenters, and electricians than there are jobs? For instance, it seems like half of all college students are in marketing and advertising majors. Employers know the supply exceeds the demand therefore many entry-level jobs pay the bare minimum. Broadcasting jobs are the same. Unless you are phenomenal, they're not going to pay you much because there are tons more applicants that will take that job in a second.
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Tomball, TX

#62 Jan 23, 2012


Use your noggin
Hats off to you! Now, finally, someone who knows what representation is all about.

Use your noggin wrote:
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Gee, the power of ONE. Bet that's gonna convince an employer to pay you a living wage when it isn't required. He's just going to relieve you of your job and put in another body who is desperate for work. All workers will be disposable or interchangeable. Once the employers get us into that bent over position no one person alone is going to make a difference. Then the fight to bring back power to the worker will have to start all over, and it will be a hefty fight.
North End Nutjob

United States

#63 Jan 23, 2012
IH8U wrote:
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Those laws you want to hide behind were put in place by unions. Knowledge is golden learn it.
"THE WEEKEND" BROUGHT TO YOU BY UNIONS!!!!
Weekend? I don't think so. Any non-union job I've had for the first eight years of my working life gave me at least two days off per week.

Now that I work in the construction industry, side-by-side with union contractors every day, I've never worked so many Saturdays and Sundays. Most projects I've worked on (heavy commercial and industrial job sites) have been six to seven days a week.
Grouchy

Indianapolis, IN

#64 Jan 23, 2012
Not all union workers work out of the hall. Some work permanently for a small company or a major corporation and belong to the union that covers their field of work. Most are glad to belong to a union if they can get into the skilled trades union. I have never run into a job situation where I was required to belong to a union or anyone else either. And before you explode, I am not a union member and never have been but I have benefitted from them.

Those that do work out of the hall, the union hall does not "go find" them a job, but a union worker can seek work on his own if he chooses. Instead, contractors, individuals or any other business contacts the union Business Agent at the correct union and tells him " I need this many carpenters or backhoe operators or painters or drywall finishers or whatever skill is needed. The B.A. pulls the names of those qualified for the job and sends them to the job for the length of the job or replaces them if notified the employee is not satisfactory. The union does not pay their wages, that comes directly from the business who used the skilled worker.
There may be factories or shops that heavily encourage everyone to join the union but I have never experienced it.

As for training, the apprentice applies for a union membership on his own, much like applying foe college acceptance. IF accepted the apprentice is REQUIRED to attend classes for a predetermined amount of time and he is required to perform a certain amount of supervised work hours over the course of 2 to 4 years. He is expected to pass testing in order to be certified in his field. And that's especially good in the field of electricians, heating/cooling, heavy equipment operators, drywalling and more. It ain't no piece of cake
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Tomball, TX

#65 Jan 23, 2012
Grouchy, it's nice to hear that someone knows what they're talking about.
Without the apprenticeship that is offered to our young people., some would never be qualified to hold a decent position in the workforce
Let's face it not everyone is college material.
Grouchy

Indianapolis, IN

#66 Jan 23, 2012
Reply wrote:
Grouchy, it's nice to hear that someone knows what they're talking about.
Without the apprenticeship that is offered to our young people., some would never be qualified to hold a decent position in the workforce
Let's face it not everyone is college material.
You are entirely right
North End Nutjob

United States

#67 Jan 23, 2012
Reply wrote:
Grouchy, it's nice to hear that someone knows what they're talking about.
Without the apprenticeship that is offered to our young people., some would never be qualified to hold a decent position in the workforce
Let's face it not everyone is college material.
Ahh, yes. The unions, proudly employing the stupid and overpaying them since the 1880's.
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Tomball, TX

#68 Jan 23, 2012
North End Nutjob wrote:
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Ahh, yes. The unions, proudly employing the stupid and overpaying them since the 1880's.
Sounds like someone is jealous.
What's the problem?, couldn't pass the "p" test.
North End Nutjob

Terre Haute, IN

#69 Jan 23, 2012
If you're referring to a drug test, don't you dare pretend that union construction workers don't use drugs. I personally have witnessed several of my union friends enjoying recreational activities.

Since: Feb 09

Fresno, CA

#70 Jan 23, 2012
North End Nutjob wrote:
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Weekend? I don't think so. Any non-union job I've had for the first eight years of my working life gave me at least two days off per week.
Now that I work in the construction industry, side-by-side with union contractors every day, I've never worked so many Saturdays and Sundays. Most projects I've worked on (heavy commercial and industrial job sites) have been six to seven days a week.

Did you get paid overtime? Thats another law put in place by unions
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Tomball, TX

#71 Jan 23, 2012
North End Nutjob wrote:
If you're referring to a drug test, don't you dare pretend that union construction workers don't use drugs. I personally have witnessed several of my union friends enjoying recreational activities.
I retract the last comment. Let's not lose sight of the argument of TRW. I just hope it's not another ploy to abolish yet another one of our rights.
REPRESENTATION .
North End Nutjob

Fort Atkinson, WI

#72 Jan 23, 2012
IH8U wrote:
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Did you get paid overtime? Thats another law put in place by unions
Indiana state law requires that now. You bring to light yet another point, OSHA and state labor laws now protect us from the evils that unions have fought against. Thanks unions, you served your purpose in the early 1900's by influencing all of the new labor laws, we don't need you anymore, go away now, buh bye.
HISTORY 101

Terre Haute, IN

#73 Jan 23, 2012
IH8U wrote:
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Those laws you want to hide behind were put in place by unions. Knowledge is golden learn it.
"THE WEEKEND" BROUGHT TO YOU BY UNIONS!!!!
Actually, in 1926 Henry Ford brought about the 5 day work week and this was not as a result of the labor unions. He did this as a way to retain his employees and hopefully keep them from moving to other competitors. In the following years several other industries followed this practice. As early as 1914 Henry Ford paid his employees more than anyone else, not out of the goodness of his heart or because of labor unions. His reason was so his employees could afford to by his cars. This too forced other industries to take a look at their own wages.

In 1940 the U. S Government enacted legislation making the standard work week 5 days with 8 hour shifts. Once again, not the labor unions!! There is historical archives which show President Roosevelt signing this bill.
Cledus

Terre Haute, IN

#74 Jan 23, 2012
IH8U wrote:
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"THE WEEKEND" BROUGHT TO YOU BY UNIONS!!!!
More union BS.

Henry Ford brought us the 8 hour days and 5 day work weeks. Henry Ford hated unions.

Knowledge is golden but you're to brainwashed to ever learn it.
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Tomball, TX

#75 Jan 23, 2012
Cledus wrote:
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More union BS.
Henry Ford brought us the 8 hour days and 5 day work weeks. Henry Ford hated unions.
Knowledge is golden but you're to brainwashed to ever learn it.
History has been written & rewritten.
8 hour days & 5 day work weeks are also a thing of the past.
Progress moves on with or without you. Make the most of it.
Opie

Terre Haute, IN

#76 Jan 23, 2012
Unions are taking credit for weekends. Hmmm... Did the unions create Sunday's too?

Why do the pro union people insist on bully techniques to convey their thoughts and agendas? It must be that "gang-type" mentality that gives them a sense of empowerment over the man!
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Tomball, TX

#77 Jan 23, 2012
Opie wrote:
Unions are taking credit for weekends. Hmmm... Did the unions create Sunday's too?
Why do the pro union people insist on bully techniques to convey their thoughts and agendas? It must be that "gang-type" mentality that gives them a sense of empowerment over the man!
Never said unions took credit for weekends. Quit the stupid stuff!
A closed mind is a wasted mind.
amy_b

Paris, IL

#78 Jan 23, 2012
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Amy b
Been standing on my own to feet since I was young. Worked hard all my life. Never asked for a handout. Times are tough. I ain't scared of no punk ass telling me what I am!
Unions have their share of scandals, but doesn't every form of corporate America shares the same!!? Think about it.
Would you work a job for 10.00$ an hour when representation can negotiate 20.00$ an hour?
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Actually, no, I couldn't stand the pay cut by being held back by a union. I prefer to better myself and make much more on my own than the 20 dollars minus their cut.
Grouchy

Indianapolis, IN

#79 Jan 23, 2012
You young pups go ahead, eliminate the unions. I'll be out of the workforce before it gets bad, you know-it-alls can suffer the consequences.

Now... You better wise up. RTW isn't just about eliminating unions, it's about limiting how much your paycheck is, it's about limiting your healthcare and your retirement and your job skills and your job choices and your job security. RTW will benefit the corporations, business owners and high level management but NOT THE WORKER. You will be the workhorse, your sweat will bring profit to the upper level but not to you. If you think you will advance to the upper level, think again. We have taken big backward steps and we will take a lot more of them. By eliminating the middle/working class the big boy owners will have few labor problems and YOU will work for crap wages.
Don't believe me, read the history of coal miners. After spending 12 hours underground in an unsafe environment they didn't earn enough to feed and house their families so the company "advanced" them credit at the company owned store. The company owned the house the miner's family lived in and charged rent too. Each month they owed more than they earned thus prohibiting them leaving for better employment.
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Tomball, TX

#80 Jan 23, 2012
Grouchy
Them young pups just don't get it.
This generation is full of wanna be jokesters
Everything's supposed to be funny .
No seriousness or desire to educate. It's a very sad state of affair
Eventually they'll get it but I'm afraid it'll be too late.

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