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Judge overturns California's ban on same-sex marriage

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A federal judge in California has knocked down the state's voter-approved ban on same-sex marriage, ruling Wednesday that the state's controversial Proposition 8 violates the U.S. Constitution.

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Frankie Rizzo

Hayward, CA

#204410 Jul 24, 2013
Big D wrote:
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Yes.. I said they laughed, you said they laughed, thank you for validating my point.
It is a funny position to take, and one without merit.
They politely laughed at a bad joke about old people procreating, they did not laugh at fellow Americans.

And they did not laugh at the notion that marriage often involves having children, no matter how hard you try to spin it that they did.
Frankie Rizzo

Hayward, CA

#204411 Jul 24, 2013
Big D wrote:
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LOL, I have often thought that the only way to show them what it is they are doing is to deny their right to marry.
However, two wrongs done make a right, so I have not gone there and I donít actually want that to happen.
But it would drive the point home.
If you would stop being vengeful, this social change you desire so badly will happen faster. Why alienate and marginalize fellow Americans just because they are wary of this tremendous social change? You are part of the problem.
Big D

Modesto, CA

#204412 Jul 24, 2013
Frankie Rizzo wrote:
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They politely laughed at a bad joke about old people procreating, they did not laugh at fellow Americans.
And they did not laugh at the notion that marriage often involves having children, no matter how hard you try to spin it that they did.
Yes I said they laughed, you said they laughed, thank you for making my point.

Marriage often involves having children, but it not any kind of requirement.

Marriage often involves home ownership, but it is not any kind of requirement.

Marriage often involves same sex relations, but is not any kind of requirement.
Frankie Rizzo

Hayward, CA

#204413 Jul 24, 2013
Jonah1 wrote:
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I simply deny the marriages of fundamentalists. They serve no purpose to humanity, and their mutually duplicated religious sterility is a mutation of humanity!
And they simply deny your marriage. You are both wrong.
Frankie Rizzo

Hayward, CA

#204414 Jul 24, 2013
Big D wrote:
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Yes I said they laughed, you said they laughed, thank you for making my point.
Marriage often involves having children, but it not any kind of requirement.
Marriage often involves home ownership, but it is not any kind of requirement.
Marriage often involves same sex relations, but is not any kind of requirement.
They politely laughed at a bad joke. They didn't laugh at married people having children.
Big D

Modesto, CA

#204417 Jul 24, 2013
Frankie Rizzo wrote:
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They politely laughed at a bad joke. They didn't laugh at married people having children.
I said they laughed, you said they laughed, thank you for validating my point
Pietro Armando

Clinton, MA

#204418 Jul 24, 2013
veryvermilion wrote:
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Kennedy himself even brought up the issue of children. He said that children are placed at a disadvantage by not allowing their same-gender parent's marriage to be legally recognized.
What disadvantages would they be?
He addressed the fact that children of same-gender parents do not feel that their families are equal to other legally married couples.
So a Supreme Court Justice is addressing feelings? Children of "same gendered parents" do not feel their families are equal to other legally married couples? Is it perhaps they feel a sense of loss for their opposite sex biological parent?
He gave examples of how insurance coverage for children are at risk.
He also talked about how social security death benefits are not applied to children of same-gender married couples.
Exactly how are the children "of" same gender parents? Are there not children similarly situated in regards to social security death benefits?
And finally, he talked about how certain laws make crime against Federal Agents and their families a much more serious offense. These laws are set up to deter criminals from targeting Federal Agents and their families. With DOMA, same-gender married couples and their children weren't protected by such laws.
So, Kennedy absolutely had children in mind when he wrote his decision.
Did he? Is he willing to address the needs of children in other situations, plural marriage families, for example?

Sounds like the groundwork is being established for the legalization of plural marriage.
Big D

Modesto, CA

#204419 Jul 24, 2013
Poof wrote:
<quoted text>Childern are a biproduct of marriage, not a requiremnt of marriage.
You and KMare may spin it any way that you wish. Procreation is not and has never been a equiremnt in marriage.
You can tell them that a hundred times ( I have, or near to it ) but they cannot give up on that argument, because it is the only thread left for them to hang to, the argument was already dismissed in every court it was brought to, the thread has broken.

Now they are on the ground, defeated and still trying to find that broken thread.
Frankie Rizzo

Hayward, CA

#204420 Jul 24, 2013
Poof wrote:
<quoted text>Childern are a biproduct of marriage, not a requiremnt of marriage.
You and KMare may spin it any way that you wish. Procreation is not and has never been a equiremnt in marriage.
Please point out who said that it was a "equirmnt".
Pietro Armando

Clinton, MA

#204421 Jul 24, 2013
Poof wrote:
<quoted text>Childern are a biproduct of marriage, not a requiremnt of marriage.
You and KMare may spin it any way that you wish. Procreation is not and has never been a equiremnt in marriage.
Nor does it need to be. Marriage is a union of husband and wife. Marriage laws are based on, and reflect that, including references to consummation, "marital relations", and "presumption of paternity".
Frankie Rizzo

Hayward, CA

#204422 Jul 24, 2013
Poof wrote:
<quoted text>Yet I did prove you wrong. The term Glazed, simply means a coating on a doughnut, and does not represent a specific color.
WOW! You got me on that one! Now what point do you think it proved?
Pietro Armando

Clinton, MA

#204423 Jul 24, 2013
Huh wrote:
Time for SCOTUS to do away with UNCONSTITUTIONAL same sex marriage bans and just make it legal nation wide...HATE AND BIGOTRY CANT BE LAW.
Fine, extend that to plural marriage too. HATE AND BIGOTRY CAN'T BE LAW.
Frankie Rizzo

Hayward, CA

#204425 Jul 24, 2013
Big D wrote:
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I said they laughed, you said they laughed, thank you for validating my point
You implied they laughed AT people. They did not.

But how silly is this argument? I object to your vindictive partisanship making this issue more contentious and difficult than it need be. That's my point, thank you for affirming it. You don't encourage social change by laughing at people wary of it. You hinder it.
Huh

Faribault, MN

#204426 Jul 24, 2013
Pietro Armando wrote:
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Fine, extend that to plural marriage too. HATE AND BIGOTRY CAN'T BE LAW.
I agree..
Frankie Rizzo

Hayward, CA

#204427 Jul 24, 2013
Big D wrote:
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You can tell them that a hundred times ( I have, or near to it ) but they cannot give up on that argument, because it is the only thread left for them to hang to, the argument was already dismissed in every court it was brought to, the thread has broken.
Now they are on the ground, defeated and still trying to find that broken thread.
Any first week cultural anthropology or sociology student knows the close association of children and marriage. Your attempts to spin it otherwise speak volumes. There is no need to be so dishonest as to repeatedly falsely claim that anyone is saying procreation is a requirement of marriage. No one has said that. To deny the association is spin.
Frankie Rizzo

Hayward, CA

#204428 Jul 24, 2013
Poof wrote:
<quoted text>Sup D? That is all they have to hang onto. The bible crap, shot down, all other reasons shot down. Procreation, shot down, they are just to damn stupid to see it.
Sup Jizz? Why are you are a hypocrite? Why do you attempt to deny marriage equality on religious grounds?
Frankie Rizzo

Hayward, CA

#204430 Jul 24, 2013
Huh wrote:
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I agree..
Me too. Here's to REAL marriage equality. Even for people you don't like.
Huh

Faribault, MN

#204431 Jul 24, 2013
Love is all that matters with children...
Big D

Modesto, CA

#204432 Jul 24, 2013
Frankie Rizzo wrote:
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You implied they laughed AT people. They did not.
But how silly is this argument? I object to your vindictive partisanship making this issue more contentious and difficult than it need be. That's my point, thank you for affirming it. You don't encourage social change by laughing at people wary of it. You hinder it.
No I said they laughed at that argument, and they did, you agreed they did, thank you for validating my point

You canít lie your way out
Frankie Rizzo

Hayward, CA

#204434 Jul 24, 2013
Pietro Armando wrote:
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Fine, extend that to plural marriage too. HATE AND BIGOTRY CAN'T BE LAW.
Jizzy says polygamy shouldn't be allowed because some religious people practice it. Jizzy is a hypocrite.

Big D gives lip service to those fundies using polygamy to commit their crimes of welfare fraud and child abuse. He'd "vote for it" forgetting that votes don't matter sometimes.

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