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jane american

Arlington, VA

#1 Jan 1, 2013
As i've heard from your previous posts (which i do agree with) the school board must go! Hypothetically speaking...if you knew there was wrong doing/mismanagement of funds/inapproriate behavior of a board member within district.... how would you come forward? Report them to the state? Hire a lawyer? Or just plain leak it to the media? And sit back n watch? Lol

Since: Sep 12

Girard, PA

#2 Jan 1, 2013
Id say leak it to the media, and file a complaint with whatever government agency regulates them.

It's a good thing to do, but its not a piece of cake. The town is run by entrenched cliques who can twist things however they wish. The thier influence isnt beyond the reach of local media.
Taxed Payer

Erie, PA

#3 Jan 1, 2013
Why must the majority of Millcreek pay so much to feed the egos of a few?

Since: Sep 12

Girard, PA

#4 Jan 1, 2013
Taxed Payer wrote:
Why must the majority of Millcreek pay so much to feed the egos of a few?
Funny thing is... They dont HAVE to. It will happen only as long as they allow it.
Average Joe

Erie, PA

#5 Jan 1, 2013
jane american wrote:
As i've heard from your previous posts (which i do agree with) the school board must go! Hypothetically speaking...if you knew there was wrong doing/mismanagement of funds/inapproriate behavior of a board member within district.... how would you come forward? Report them to the state? Hire a lawyer? Or just plain leak it to the media? And sit back n watch? Lol
start a group to fight back!

Name it No New McDowell! Put up signs! Create a Facebook page! Start an Internet petition! Get tons of media attention!

.....just don't fail by spreading lies and twisting the truth.....
Oh noes

Erie, PA

#6 Jan 1, 2013
Au Rasoir wrote:
The thier influence isnt beyond the reach of local media.
That is true moreso for the three supervisors. The Millcreek School Board is not influencing the media well at all. Just drive by McDowell and ask yourself does that need torn down?

The Millcreek School Board places its WANTS ahead of its NEEDS and shows no fiscal responsibility.

Leak it to the media. It works.

The time has come for Justice for the Millcreek taxpayer.
Average Joe

Erie, PA

#7 Jan 1, 2013
Oh noes wrote:
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That is true moreso for the three supervisors. The Millcreek School Board is not influencing the media well at all. Just drive by McDowell and ask yourself does that need torn down?
The Millcreek School Board places its WANTS ahead of its NEEDS and shows no fiscal responsibility.
Leak it to the media. It works.
The time has come for Justice for the Millcreek taxpayer.
Justice? For what? I wanted a new school for our school, and it is coming. Millcreek taxpayers had their chance to speak up through the petition you started. How many Millcreek citizens signed it?
Oh noes

Erie, PA

#8 Jan 1, 2013
Average Joe wrote:
<quoted text>Justice? For what? I wanted a new school for our school, and it is coming. Millcreek taxpayers had their chance to speak up through the petition you started. How many Millcreek citizens signed it?
How I wish!

After much research we found out that we could have had 20,000 people sign that and it had no legal standing. The petition was a figurative justure to try to show the MTSB that people just wanted to renovate McDowell not tear it down.

The MTSB manipulated the bond payments to not take effect until 2018. This made it so taxes will not be effected until much much later...after 2018. Now taxes will go up probably this summer, but not because of new McDowell. Rather it will be because of personel, raises, other normal expenses. This is true on the first wave of tax increase, but remember in gov. the best way to push a massive project down the pipline is to water down the actual pain of paying. This will come later. Then you can count on taxes rising yet again because of the school in 2018 and after.

The justice I speak about is the underhanded manipulation of Act 1 law by pushing bond payments out to 2018. ALL DONE DELIBERATELY to KEEP THIS OFF THE BALLOT. This is taxation without representation.

Debt service payments for MTSD are around 6 million now. Really when you think about it as we stand now our school district is doing okay. But we are now at a crossroad. We will not be okay, when debt service payments climb over 13 million on a cumulative debt of 160+ million with even more schools in the "boarderline" category.

You see where this is going? New McDowell under this current leadership will become a "drop in the hat" after these other schools get even minimum attention. This is NO time to be wasting 10 million on NON EDUCATIONAL space like a football stadium!

The School board knew full well this would not pass. And frankly, even if it did pass under some extrodinary event. I wouldn't care. I'd accept it. Because then we would TRUELY know if the people of millcreek wanted to spend 100 million. But they took our right to vote on this away in the most DELIBERATE way possible by playing games with the debt service payments.

I can't do much about the corruption in Washington, but I'll be damned if I let it happen right here in my township without speaking up!!
Average Joe

Erie, PA

#9 Jan 1, 2013
How many people signed your online petition?
HS teacher

Erie, PA

#10 Jan 1, 2013
Oh noes wrote:
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This is taxation without representation.
You can't be serious...reread your history books, you are embarrassing yourself.
Oh noes

Erie, PA

#11 Jan 1, 2013
HS teacher wrote:
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You can't be serious...reread your history books, you are embarrassing yourself.
So you don't support people's right to vote yes or no on a 100 milion dollar project?
HS teacher

Erie, PA

#12 Jan 1, 2013
Oh noes wrote:
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So you don't support people's right to vote yes or no on a 100 milion dollar project?
I was referring to your misuse of the colonial objection to taxation on their imports without being governmental participants. The township does have representation via its elected board members.
Oh noes

Erie, PA

#13 Jan 1, 2013
HS teacher wrote:
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I was referring to your misuse of the colonial objection to taxation on their imports without being governmental participants. The township does have representation via its elected board members.
Again I will ask. Do you or do you not support a yes or no ballot question for a 100 million dollar project?
Taxpayer

Erie, PA

#14 Jan 1, 2013
Christ, you can not be this thick. I don't CARE about your ballot question and was trying to help you understand why your statement was not correct. No wonder most people want nothing to do with you!
Average Joe

Erie, PA

#15 Jan 1, 2013
Oh noes wrote:
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Again I will ask. Do you or do you not support a yes or no ballot question for a 100 million dollar project?
In the spirit of wanting questions answered, how about uou play by your own wishes: How many signatures did you get for the online petition?
constella

Erie, PA

#16 Jan 1, 2013
Taxpayer wrote:
Christ, you can not be this thick. I don't CARE about your ballot question and was trying to help you understand why your statement was not correct. No wonder most people want nothing to do with you!
course not, all you seem to care about is winning favor with your boss and getting you paycheck, u must be one lousy teacher not to care about people.
Oh noes

Erie, PA

#17 Jan 1, 2013
558 online plus written signatures.

Remember the woman that Mike Palermo called "the crazy hat lady"? She went out for a couple of days and got some 400 signatures. Imagine how many we could have gotten if we put all our effort into getting signatures. But they won't because of the bond payments. Well over 15,000 easy.

But the law is the law. This bond doesn't effect taxes so a petition cannot legally force the school boards hand. Even with 15,000 or more they would have ignored it and legally can do just that. Now time and resources are best spend replacing those that voted for this.

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/nonewmcdow...

I can't imagine anyone not wanting to have a say at the polls.

It should be up to people to vote yes or no.

Sorry HS teacher but at the 100,000,000 dollar mark it should be up to the people to decide whether or not you get to work in a new building with AC. Thats most likey why you don't care....
Average Joe

Pittsburgh, PA

#18 Jan 2, 2013
Oh noes wrote:
558 online plus written signatures.
Remember the woman that Mike Palermo called "the crazy hat lady"? She went out for a couple of days and got some 400 signatures. Imagine how many we could have gotten if we put all our effort into getting signatures. But they won't because of the bond payments. Well over 15,000 easy.
But the law is the law. This bond doesn't effect taxes so a petition cannot legally force the school boards hand. Even with 15,000 or more they would have ignored it and legally can do just that. Now time and resources are best spend replacing those that voted for this.
http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/nonewmcdow...
I can't imagine anyone not wanting to have a say at the polls.
It should be up to people to vote yes or no.
Sorry HS teacher but at the 100,000,000 dollar mark it should be up to the people to decide whether or not you get to work in a new building with AC. Thats most likey why you don't care....
So you only achieved 558 actual signatures of the 1500 you wanted.
and let's be honest, that 558 is inflated due to the ones that used "anonymous". 400 signatures going door-to-door? Yeah, it's too bad there is no way to prove duplicate signatures do not exist with that petition and the online one that you wanted 1500 signatures for.
After making such a big deal of the 2000+ facebook followers to the media, YOU GAVE UP on the one number that could actually put more pressure on the board, even if it didn't work.

Another question: On what date you get final word no matter how many signatures you got that it would not work?
Security

Erie, PA

#19 Jan 2, 2013
It doesn't matter if they build a new school or renovate the old, the real issue is security. Plain and simple, they have none. Kids come and go as they please at the high school, and God forbid, but they have opened themselves to have real problems, this WILL bite them in the a$$
There are plenty of idiots out there, unfortunate yes, but Millcreek should at the very least have some form of protection in the building!
Security

Erie, PA

#20 Jan 2, 2013
Our tax dollars should be going to the education of our children, and their security while in these schools!

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