Child Support Enforcement abuses and fraud.

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What The Hey

Clinton, MO

#1 Jan 2, 2010
Looking for cases where people have been done wrong by Missouri Dept. of Child Enforcement. Legitimate cases were they have went after someone for something that was clearly wrong, not so much cases were you feel you were done wrong.

Here is another question being presented, how does taking the drivers licence and professional license as one of the first steps do anything to help collect money?
What The Hey

Clinton, MO

#2 Jan 2, 2010
This story is being duplicated from another thread.

Missouri Child support laws are about as ludicrous as anything can be. There is a story that should make your blood boil.

A woman and an man live together for nine years and have two children. He is a over the road truck driver and she is living in his home while he is working to support them. She files for services trough DSS, she intercepts all the mailing to him so he doesn't learn about it until he learns he lost his drivers license and every other licence he may have. Immediately he contacts Missouri Department Child Enforcement (MDCE) and they tell him he is to pay over $800 a month, well over half his pay and he is no longer able to drive a truck. Needless to say, they are no longer together.

MDCE say he needs to contact the local DSS office. He does so and takes everything to prove he has been supporting his children and they are living together. She admits to DSS she committed fraud. It is not some five or six months and he still does not have anything taken care of, MDCE is not in the process of garnishing his wages and they want half of his minimum wage pay that he now has to work at due to not having a licence.

There is more to this story than you can imagine but in short, there seems to be nothing he can do to get them off his back, he has hired an attorney, we have all contacted as many agencies as anyone could thing of with no avail... A few days ago they wanted him to sign a paper saying he would pay over $800 a month when he only takes home $225 a week. Non of this has even been to a court, it was all done by Administrative Order. We are not able to find out any information due to the records are confidential but she has committed perjury or fraud, a state statue violation.

Though I would share the latest, unbelievable update on the father that has been ordered to pay child support while she and the children were living with him and he was working.

The latest is, DFS seen enough to say he was wrongfully ordered to pay child support. DFS investigator seen he was wrongfully ordered to pay child support. The Regional Child Enforcement Office and their supervisors saw he was wrongfully ordered to pay child support. SO you would think it is almost over, right? NO, the higher ups, we presume Jeff City says it's not enough.

They do not see her confession as enough, his paperwork that shows his paychecks were picked up by her, and the dozens of other items to prove his case. They are still keeping his drivers license, commercial and personal, garnishing his pay which leaves him with about $100 per week. Regional Child Enforcement Office admitted they now understand why we were so frustrated the other day when we were at the agency.

All this is like a blind and deaf hunting dog on the trail of the wrong varmint, you yell, use hand signals, and there is no way to call the dog back. Maybe we need to start using shock collars.
AJJ

Springfield, MO

#3 Jun 23, 2010
I know this post is months after yours but try your state representative. We are starting to have issues of DCS not crediting payments made and harsh threats. Not nearly as bad as your case but I've heard the representative can get a lot done in this regard. Hope this helps.
years of trying

Las Vegas, NV

#4 Jul 14, 2010
I had a case that NOTHING was ever done and there was no where to go. I even wrote the govenor, got a really promising letter back and....NOTHING. The case is 12 yrs old, 23,000 behind and no one cares. Another case, he hasn't paid in over two yr, because they can't verify an address he basically doesn't exist. They thought he moved out of state, transfered the case. He has never went to that state, I could tell them exactly where he is, but NO ONE cares....maybe cause I'm not on welfare??
brenda

Kansas City, MO

#5 Aug 14, 2010
What The Hey wrote:
Looking for cases where people have been done wrong by Missouri Dept. of Child Enforcement. Legitimate cases were they have went after someone for something that was clearly wrong, not so much cases were you feel you were done wrong.
Here is another question being presented, how does taking the drivers licence and professional license as one of the first steps do anything to help collect money?


Good ideal that makes them get on their JOB. They should take care of their responsibilities. Alot of father's and mother's go to the Casinos and do other things that is not important. Do what ever it takes to get the support kids need.

NOT TOUGH ENOUGH
opinion

Holts Summit, MO

#6 Aug 14, 2010
What the hey - your post "Though I would share the latest, unbelievable update on the father that has been ordered to pay child support while she and the children were living with him and he was working."

If he can prove it that's great but he HAS to hire a lawyer. I know, it sucks because it is an extra bill on top of the current struggle.

Also, I am (supposed to be) on the receiving end of child support. They have taken my ex husband's license away for nonpayment & I personally disagree. What good does that do?
Truth

Columbia, MO

#7 Aug 25, 2010
If your big enough to make a baby then your big enough to pay yoru share! Get off the pitty poty and start taking care of your kids. I am happy to see more of these non paying dirtbags being sentenced to prison. Bottom line if you don't take care of your kids your a scumbag!
ETI

Anchorage, AK

#8 Sep 11, 2010
Truth wrote:
If your big enough to make a baby then your big enough to pay yoru share! Get off the pitty poty and start taking care of your kids. I am happy to see more of these non paying dirtbags being sentenced to prison. Bottom line if you don't take care of your kids your a scumbag!
God are you an inbred too? Did you not read the entire story? You must be one of those people looking for a handout too?
Mike

Blue Springs, MO

#9 Oct 24, 2010
I have been paying child support on my son, I don't get to see him or anything. The big
problem is I pay the support to his mother and he doesn't even liv with her he lives with his grandma. I have tried to report her for fraud and the people at CSE in Missouri don't seem to care. I don't understand it and I don't have the money to take them to court. Anyone have any ideas
rockstar rose

Salem, MO

#10 Oct 28, 2010
My ex hasn't paid a penny in child support for a little over 16 years. I DID go to court over this 3 different times,still nothing has been done. Just the other day, I called CSE to see if I could at least make the deadbeat dad pay for getting his son's tooth pulled. They told me that their hands were tied cause my ex doesn't have a job or income. Yet, they won't even let me press charges on him even though he's 11 thousand dollars behind in support. What else can a person do?
Daddy

Columbia, MO

#11 Oct 29, 2010
You want a case of child enforcement gone wrong look in the mirror. Only a scumbag would complain about having to take care of their kids!
Daddy

Columbia, MO

#12 Oct 29, 2010
How can you people even call yourselves parents? All you are is a genetic donor and poor excuse for a person if you don't support your kids!
rockstar rose

Salem, MO

#13 Oct 29, 2010
to "daddy" I'm not complaining about supporting my kids. I have been supporting them for many years. My bitch is that I should not have to do it all by myself. Their father should be held accountable for some of the support too. What gives his dead beat ass the right to party his money away while I bust my ass every single day to make ends meet? Obviously you wouldn't agree cause you're a man.
Abused by the system

Saint Louis, MO

#14 Oct 31, 2010
I am a desperate bitter parent. 2 decades I have been victimized and my family has been treated like low level white trash. the agencys are run by ignorant black woman who are lazy, ignorant and could care less if these kids get a damn thing and I am sick of it. For the rest of my life I am going to harass these people. I will find thier names I will call and call and call. I will write letters I will cuss I will call them names I will find out who they are and write thier mothers and churches and let them know how badly they have treated me and my kids! They are self rightous bitches and I have nothing to loose, all they are is a goverment runned agency, and I intend on letting each and everyone of them know, they are miserable excuses for human beings. Really what's the worst that can happen. I am owed over 100,000. in back support.
Abused by the system

Saint Louis, MO

#15 Oct 31, 2010
AJJ wrote:
I know this post is months after yours but try your state representative. We are starting to have issues of DCS not crediting payments made and harsh threats. Not nearly as bad as your case but I've heard the representative can get a lot done in this regard. Hope this helps.
Take matters into your own hands call the court house in the town the deadbeat lives in. call and call and call. Demand justice. No one cares if you get paid or not but they care when you call andbug them and will do what it atkes to get you off there backs.
Abused by the system

Saint Louis, MO

#16 Oct 31, 2010
What The Hey wrote:
This story is being duplicated from another thread.
Missouri Child support laws are about as ludicrous as anything can be. There is a story that should make your blood boil.
A woman and an man live together for nine years and have two children. He is a over the road truck driver and she is living in his home while he is working to support them. She files for services trough DSS, she intercepts all the mailing to him so he doesn't learn about it until he learns he lost his drivers license and every other licence he may have. Immediately he contacts Missouri Department Child Enforcement (MDCE) and they tell him he is to pay over $800 a month, well over half his pay and he is no longer able to drive a truck. Needless to say, they are no longer together.
MDCE say he needs to contact the local DSS office. He does so and takes everything to prove he has been supporting his children and they are living together. She admits to DSS she committed fraud. It is not some five or six months and he still does not have anything taken care of, MDCE is not in the process of garnishing his wages and they want half of his minimum wage pay that he now has to work at due to not having a licence.
There is more to this story than you can imagine but in short, there seems to be nothing he can do to get them off his back, he has hired an attorney, we have all contacted as many agencies as anyone could thing of with no avail... A few days ago they wanted him to sign a paper saying he would pay over $800 a month when he only takes home $225 a week. Non of this has even been to a court, it was all done by Administrative Order. We are not able to find out any information due to the records are confidential but she has committed perjury or fraud, a state statue violation.
Though I would share the latest, unbelievable update on the father that has been ordered to pay child support while she and the children were living with him and he was working.
The latest is, DFS seen enough to say he was wrongfully ordered to pay child support. DFS investigator seen he was wrongfully ordered to pay child support. The Regional Child Enforcement Office and their supervisors saw he was wrongfully ordered to pay child support. SO you would think it is almost over, right? NO, the higher ups, we presume Jeff City says it's not enough.
They do not see her confession as enough, his paperwork that shows his paychecks were picked up by her, and the dozens of other items to prove his case. They are still keeping his drivers license, commercial and personal, garnishing his pay which leaves him with about $100 per week. Regional Child Enforcement Office admitted they now understand why we were so frustrated the other day when we were at the agency.
All this is like a blind and deaf hunting dog on the trail of the wrong varmint, you yell, use hand signals, and there is no way to call the dog back. Maybe we need to start using shock collars.
his is the stupidist thing I have ever heard, your probably his girlfriend. He should support his kids and you should stop making excuses fro the deadbeat
Abused by the system

Saint Louis, MO

#17 Oct 31, 2010
Everybody acts like this agency has so much power, stand up to it. Go see your kids, bother these agency all the time demand justice from the cops the judges the lawyer and the idiot on the other end of the line at child support. Go to the office the lazy black lady works at and tell her to get off her fat butt and do something
Abused by the system

Saint Louis, MO

#18 Oct 31, 2010
The only way things change are when ordinary people are willing to take on the system and see how far you can take it. It's time to get this agency to do right by these kids. They spend millons of taxpayers moiney and the kids still do with out. I know these people who work this system are lazy ignorant worthless workers who came straight off the welfare line and landed jobs in the goverment. It would be alright if they did thier jobs but the fact is they do very little or nothing and lifes of american families suffer. They are worse then the taliban, they are the enemy of our kids and should be treated that way. It's time to figt this worthless exspensive system. Why are we allowing them to ruin our lifes.
Daddy

Columbia, MO

#19 Nov 2, 2010
Only dirtbags make babies and don't pay for them!
Victorious

Sebring, FL

#20 Nov 8, 2010
I understand the pain of both parents. And I'd like to say that it is not your fault. Families are being victimize by a system that was never designed to support you or chldren. But it was to increase the hate in a family as well as each other. That can be seen by reading these post. I pray that people will wake up and not support these systems. If you don't apply to them, they cannot exsist. Do all you can to solve your problems between yourselves. Above all do not fall in the trap of hate, and you will be victorious in the end. Have faith in God. I know the pain from both sides. You all are blessed.

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