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Deadly mystery: Cancer study targets racial disparities

There are 32 comments on the Polk County Democrat story from Oct 11, 2011, titled Deadly mystery: Cancer study targets racial disparities. In it, Polk County Democrat reports that:

Thousands of women are helping scientists learn more about breast cancer in African-Americans, including why it strikes young black women more aggressively and more often than white women.

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Salt Lake City, UT

#3 Oct 11, 2011
Death is inevitable anyway. It's nearing us all.

“No Substitute For The Truth”

Since: Jan 10

United States

#4 Oct 11, 2011
Klaus wrote:
Weak, evil defective genes
So this is how you guys view yourselves when there are studies about all the diseases WP deal with?? It explains why you some of you are so bitter, poor self image.

“Purple girl in a purple world”

Since: Apr 08

Plum, Purplonia

#5 Oct 12, 2011
1. Vitamin D deficiency. Africans' bodies are tuned for living near the equator, and the dark skin gives protection from the sun. But if you have dark skin and live outside your optimum zone, you start to suffer more from the effects of vitamin D deficiency, since it is made in the skin in response to the sun. Most White Americans are deficient, but African-Americans have it even worse. Vitamin D has some cancer-fighting properties. In a state like California, there are more cases of things like bowel and prostate cancers in the north end than the south end.

2. Sexual practices. A number of cancers are caused by viruses. Anal and genital warts are responsible for a number of rectal, vaginal, and cervical cancers. The more partners you have, and the less protection, the greater the risk. Uncut men are more likely to carry the wart virus. There is also an unproven theory that links abortion to cancer, saying that terminated pregnancies cause hormone imbalances.

3. Diet. Certain foods have additives which may trigger estrogen receptors in unusual ways. Hormones to increase milk production in cattle or fatten livestock may get into the milk and meat. Processed foods have lots of additives too. They are not hormones, but could contribute to cancer in other ways, as well as other health problems.

4. Weight. The body makes a certain amount of estrogen in fat cells. That is how men get rid of excessive testosterone. The aromatase enzyme along with fat cells convert it to estrone (one of the 3 main human estrogens). So if you are heavy, you may make and store more hormones, and hormones trigger certain cancers. Being heavy also makes it harder to find tumors, and causes the body to take longer to heal.

5. Poverty. That is not a cause, but a reason for a better survival rate. If you have good health coverage, you may be more likely to get lumps and other suspicious signs checked than if you have to pinch pennies. Also, doctors may treat you better if you have better coverage, and recommend more tests and procedures.

6. Consequences of what was done to parents and grandparents. Scientists have experimented on Black women in years past. That was how the field of gynecology started. The "father of gynecology" got slave owners to let him experiment on slave women and do some pretty cruel things. Over the years, people of color have been deliberately infected with diseases and suffered other experiments. Plus there was medical ignorance that everyone suffered, like the mistaken notion of given a fake estrogen (DES) to prevent miscarriage, when they can cause just that and even cause cancer in your grandchildren. DES also caused transsexualism, intersex disorder, and genital defects in male offspring. It was banned around 1970.
Summersville Lass

Watertown, WI

#7 Oct 12, 2011
Vitamin D.. full stop!

The lack of Vitamin D also explains the far higher rate of Diabetes in people with dark skin.

Epidemiological studies have suggested that if every American were getting enough Vitamin D, cancer rates would drop by 70%.

Most Americans don’t get near enough vitamin D. And among African Americans, vitamin D deficiency is a “hidden epidemic”.. low levels are to blame for higher rates of diseases such as hypertension, heart disease and diabetes. The Chicago Sun-Times went even further, linking African-American death rates from aggressive forms of breast and prostate cancer to low levels of vitamin D.

Cancer of the Breast, Prostate and Colon are associated with Vitamin D deficiency. So is multiple sclerosis and most other "auto-immune" diseases. I have reversed my MS 100%(to the point where the lesions on my brain have disappeared) by taking 10,000 iu Vitamin D3 daily.

In the body, vitamin D is produced by sun exposure. But Americans aren’t exposed to as much sunlight as we used to be—either because we’re inside watching TV or hunched over computers or avoiding the sun to prevent skin cancer.

Avoidance of ANY product containing the word "Hydrogenated" is essential, because these artifically hardened fats are metabolically useless and are now being implicated in a wide range of chronic disease states. Use Olve Oil, use Butter.. use lard (IF you can get it from a free range animal..) use cage-free eggs..preferably from outdoor birds, as THEY will have locked up Vitamin D in THEIR tissues with adequate sun exposure.

“Purple girl in a purple world”

Since: Apr 08

Plum, Purplonia

#8 Oct 12, 2011
I know the topic is not autism, but a lot of times, when recent African immigrants move to places like Vancouver, BC, they may end up with autistic children, when nobody has that in Africa. That is again tied to Vitamin D. We all wonder why the reported cases have risen sharply. There seems to be some of the possibilities.

1. Better testing, better awareness, earlier intervention. This factor makes it seem like the numbers are higher.

2. AAP guideline to decrease sun exposure in young children.

3. AAP's lowering of their recommended level of 400 IU of vitamin D for children to 200 IU for children.

4. The number of vaccines done at once. The vaccine theory was discredited, but it seems those who did that took it out of context, and they felt he didn't properly disclose his funding sources. I don't think he ever mentioned mercury. What might be acceptable for a normal child might not be to one who is vitamin D deficient. It could be that the natural effects are what is dangerous. Enough at once can make you sick, even though you don't get none of the diseases the vaccines are against. But even enough of the normal effects can cause brain swelling and injury. I am not saying not to vaccinate, but maybe do less at once and increase vitamin D levels before getting shots.

5. Mycoplasmas are another possible risk factor. So if parents have Gulf War Syndrome, CFS, FMS, chronic Lyme disease, etc., they could pass on these bacteria to their children. Again, vitamin D has an immune modulating effect which could help here.

6. Sole breast-feeding. When vitamin deficient mothers breast feed, their babies become even more deficient. They should at least supplement with pediatric vitamins, and the obstacles here are poverty and a lack of awareness.

7. Altered vitamin D receptors. Vitamin D converts to a hormone, and if you have a polymorphism (like a genetic mutation, but one that many people have), then you may require mega-dosing to get enough (and level testing to avoid overdosing).
Gail Perry

Saint Petersburg, FL

#9 Oct 12, 2011
Nothing has been taken "out of context" regarding vaccines. I understand people's concerns, but it's just developmental coincidence. Autism is likely to become obvious around the age those vaccines are given. Coincidence happens.

“Purple girl in a purple world”

Since: Apr 08

Plum, Purplonia

#10 Oct 12, 2011
Gail Perry wrote:
Nothing has been taken "out of context" regarding vaccines. I understand people's concerns, but it's just developmental coincidence. Autism is likely to become obvious around the age those vaccines are given. Coincidence happens.
Actually, Dr. Wakefield's study was taken out of context. He wasn't talking about mercury. That was a strawman invented by the vaccine and government lobby. It could be that those lacking vitamin D are much more sensitive to toxins. But that was not what he meant. He was referring to swelling and antibodies in the brain as a normal response to vaccines, not thimersol.

I don't believe it is only a coincidence, but I also believe it is only a tiny piece of the puzzle. Without vitamin-D deficiency and nutrition deficits in general, and without the altered VDR gene, the vaccines alone would not be an issue. It is just a final straw and not the cause. It seems that more boys are impacted because tiny amounts of estrogen may reduce the amount of vitamin D required for healthy brain development.

So my advice remains the same. Get vitamin D levels over 30 mg/ml before vaccines, and get less at a time. I believe from my own study it is the brain swelling from the immune response that is the real problem, not the preservatives. I won't say avoid vaccines, since things are too inconclusive to say that. Still, the study of immunology is not infallible, and they have made serious mistakes over the years. Some vaccines have been contaminated by bacteria, and quite a few had mycoplasmas in them before anyone knew what those bacteria were. Most of those were shots given to GIs. Now we have assays for detecting and diagnosing them and can keep them out.
Gail Perry

Saint Petersburg, FL

#11 Oct 13, 2011
No. I've read Wakefield's study.

HE DOCTORED HIS STATISTICS. It's been WITHDRAWN from the publication because he was DISHONEST. It's COMPLETELY discredited.

I'm not discussing any of your other points, but Wakefield was PROVEN to be scientifically speaking, a big fat liar.

“Purple girl in a purple world”

Since: Apr 08

Plum, Purplonia

#12 Oct 13, 2011
Gail Perry wrote:
No. I've read Wakefield's study.
HE DOCTORED HIS STATISTICS. It's been WITHDRAWN from the publication because he was DISHONEST. It's COMPLETELY discredited.
I'm not discussing any of your other points, but Wakefield was PROVEN to be scientifically speaking, a big fat liar.
Even liars tell the truth sometimes. I don't think he mentioned mercury. I can think of 3 possible links, but I don't claim any are proven. Anyway...
Gail Perry

Saint Petersburg, FL

#13 Oct 13, 2011
Purple Gurl wrote:
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Even liars tell the truth sometimes. I don't think he mentioned mercury. I can think of 3 possible links, but I don't claim any are proven. Anyway...
Even liars tell the truth???

You don't get it. HONEST researchers who wanted to know the truth, wherever it led, looked at his research. HE COOKED THE BOOKS. HE'S A FRAUD.

NO ONE should let a FRAUD guide the medical care of their child. That's just irresponsible.

People like him make it ten times as hard to get to the truth. I think it should be a jailable offense.

Sweden did a study comparing children who were vaccinated vs. children who were not vaccinated. There was NO DIFFERENCE in the rate of autism between the group. NONE. Sweden has state-run health care so they had the data on every child in the country.

And, they didn't cook their books the way Wakefraud did.

“Purple girl in a purple world”

Since: Apr 08

Plum, Purplonia

#14 Oct 13, 2011
Gail Perry wrote:
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Even liars tell the truth???
You don't get it. HONEST researchers who wanted to know the truth, wherever it led, looked at his research. HE COOKED THE BOOKS. HE'S A FRAUD.
NO ONE should let a FRAUD guide the medical care of their child. That's just irresponsible.
People like him make it ten times as hard to get to the truth. I think it should be a jailable offense.
Sweden did a study comparing children who were vaccinated vs. children who were not vaccinated. There was NO DIFFERENCE in the rate of autism between the group. NONE. Sweden has state-run health care so they had the data on every child in the country.
And, they didn't cook their books the way Wakefraud did.
Still, there might be a grain of truth. I don't have a dog in this fight. Please have a pleasant day.
Gail Perry

Saint Petersburg, FL

#15 Oct 13, 2011
Purple Gurl wrote:
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Still, there might be a grain of truth. I don't have a dog in this fight. Please have a pleasant day.
I don't have a dog in this fight either. I just happen to know a lot about how to read research, and I have a lot of respect for the honest researchers, especially those with enough backbone to tell us what we don't want to hear. How wonderful it would be if vaccines were the cause of autism. We could virtually eliminate autism.

Unfortunately, compare groups who were vaccinated with groups who were not, and the rate of autism is essentially the same.

I truly despise Wakefraud, because he is misleading parents about issues that have turned their lives upside down. If ever a group of parents deserved solid information they could have confidence in, it would be the parents of children with autism.

A scientist who cooks the books is the lowest of the low.

“esa hembra es mala”

Since: Sep 09

Location hidden

#16 Oct 13, 2011
There really isn't a good strong link between vitamin D deficiency and diabetes and certain cancers, there is a clear link with diabetes and cancer and certain foods..

Black Americans might be suffering from certain aliments because they are becoming cold adapted.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/07/...

The book below discusses tropical adaptations,
and argues that some African American health
conditions may be related to adapting to cold
climates, in conjunction with other factors - an
interesting take on the subject. Sorry about the
size, but here it is:
Look at the second to last column especially:

"Comparative data from fifty-three populations geographically dispersed between the Equator and the poles, suggest that the frequency of 'heat adapted' alleles declined as our African ancestors colonized environments which were cooler and rich in salt, and then it rose again among groups who migrated from those areas back to tropical climates poorer in salt... Since 'heat adapted' alleles help to retail salt and since excessive dietary salt intake is a major risk factor in hypertension, particularly if they have migrated in more recent times... to cooler environments rich in salt, or if they have substantially increased the element of salt in their diet in situ.. This may partially explain the higher prevalence of hypertension and cardiovascular morbidity found today in African American populations.. peripheral cold stress that induces sympathetically driven vasoconstriction will increase blood pressure.."

http://knol.google.com/k/-/-/3q8x30897t2cs/ru...

“I'm just a Routined”

Since: Mar 09

Plattsburgh, NY

#17 Oct 13, 2011
I read somewhere that Black women have higher levels of estrogen than most women with is the reason why they are more likely to die from breast cancer. Should look for that study.

“Purple girl in a purple world”

Since: Apr 08

Plum, Purplonia

#18 Oct 14, 2011
Gail Perry wrote:
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I don't have a dog in this fight either. I just happen to know a lot about how to read research, and I have a lot of respect for the honest researchers, especially those with enough backbone to tell us what we don't want to hear. How wonderful it would be if vaccines were the cause of autism. We could virtually eliminate autism.
Unfortunately, compare groups who were vaccinated with groups who were not, and the rate of autism is essentially the same.
I truly despise Wakefraud, because he is misleading parents about issues that have turned their lives upside down. If ever a group of parents deserved solid information they could have confidence in, it would be the parents of children with autism.
A scientist who cooks the books is the lowest of the low.
I said what I did in the last 2 posts to signal that I did not want to discuss this with you any longer. We are off-topic.
Gail Perry

Saint Petersburg, FL

#19 Oct 14, 2011
R0utin3Ri0t wrote:
I read somewhere that Black women have higher levels of estrogen than most women with is the reason why they are more likely to die from breast cancer. Should look for that study.
This cannot explain all of the disparity, because Black women are more likely to get triple negative cancer, which is not fed by estrogen, than White.

Personally I think they're going to find a gene or genes that play a role. They found BRCA 1 and 2 by researching the phenomenon of breast cancer showing up in unpredictably high rates in Jewish women, especially from one region of Europe.

This issue has already been resarched and some research has eliminated things like income, availability to medical care, etc., just as that is true when one of the BRCA genes is involved.
Gail Perry

Saint Petersburg, FL

#20 Oct 14, 2011
Purple Gurl wrote:
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I said what I did in the last 2 posts to signal that I did not want to discuss this with you any longer. We are off-topic.
Instead of trying to "signal," I suggest you say "I don't want to discuss this with you further."

However, I will always confront misinformation. That's just how it is. Wakefraud is a liar who deliberately misled a lot of people who are facing really significant problems and it's just not right.

“I'm just a Routined”

Since: Mar 09

Plattsburgh, NY

#21 Oct 14, 2011
Gail Perry wrote:
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This cannot explain all of the disparity, because Black women are more likely to get triple negative cancer, which is not fed by estrogen, than White.
Personally I think they're going to find a gene or genes that play a role. They found BRCA 1 and 2 by researching the phenomenon of breast cancer showing up in unpredictably high rates in Jewish women, especially from one region of Europe.
This issue has already been resarched and some research has eliminated things like income, availability to medical care, etc., just as that is true when one of the BRCA genes is involved.
Can't find the study. But you might be onto something when it comes to genes playing a role in this. Unfortunately, we won't be sure until scientists and doctors figure out how much big of an effect do genes have on health.

“BLESSED ARE THOSE WHO GIVE!”

Since: Sep 08

Hergeisa

#22 Oct 14, 2011
R0utin3Ri0t wrote:
I read somewhere that Black women have higher levels of estrogen than most women with is the reason why they are more likely to die from breast cancer. Should look for that study.
Many cancers are driven by high levels of Estrogen. Breast cancer for example is one and so is endrometrial or other gynae cancers. There are specific cancer drugs that actually mimic estrogen (called Tomaxifin) so that they bind to cancer cells and prevent them from causing any cellular activity. So yes, high levels of estrogen can be an issue.

Also, Cancer is not a single disease. It is literally hundreds of disease with different pathways and causes. There is no single major cause of cancer. However, almost half of all cancers can be prevented if people just stop smoking, reduced alcoholic intake, exercised, and reduced food that is high in saturated fat. The rest is genetic and caused by the environment.

“I'm just a Routined”

Since: Mar 09

Plattsburgh, NY

#23 Oct 14, 2011
Somali guy1 wrote:
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Many cancers are driven by high levels of Estrogen. Breast cancer for example is one and so is endrometrial or other gynae cancers. There are specific cancer drugs that actually mimic estrogen (called Tomaxifin) so that they bind to cancer cells and prevent them from causing any cellular activity. So yes, high levels of estrogen can be an issue.
Also, Cancer is not a single disease. It is literally hundreds of disease with different pathways and causes. There is no single major cause of cancer. However, almost half of all cancers can be prevented if people just stop smoking, reduced alcoholic intake, exercised, and reduced food that is high in saturated fat. The rest is genetic and caused by the environment.
Interesting. The study I read, if I remember correctly, also suggested that estrogen in products such as shampoo also contribute to the problem.

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