agnostic

Tazewell, TN

#1 Jan 13, 2013
If the Bible is "simple enough for a child to understand", how are things like the Sodom and Gomorrah stories presented to the children in church or Sunday school? How is it explained to them how the wicked men wanted to "know" the men visiting Lot's home and that Lot offered for them to "know" his virgin daughters instead?

Since: May 09

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#2 Jan 13, 2013
I am not sure if you have been misled by someone or if you misunderstood but the statement "simple enough for a child to understand" has been taken out of context. I should be "simple enough for a child of God to understand". You see, if you just accept Him on faith as your saviour and study His word He will make it all clear to you. But the key words are faith and study.
agnostic wrote:
If the Bible is "simple enough for a child to understand", how are things like the Sodom and Gomorrah stories presented to the children in church or Sunday school? How is it explained to them how the wicked men wanted to "know" the men visiting Lot's home and that Lot offered for them to "know" his virgin daughters instead?
you could

Tazewell, TN

#3 Jan 13, 2013
say they were twitterpated with the men.
agnostic

Tazewell, TN

#4 Jan 13, 2013
Am With Goober45 -maybe wrote:
I am not sure if you have been misled by someone or if you misunderstood but the statement "simple enough for a child to understand" has been taken out of context. I should be "simple enough for a child of God to understand". You see, if you just accept Him on faith as your saviour and study His word He will make it all clear to you. But the key words are faith and study.
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I have heard many people say "a child can understand it", so perhaps they misunderstood who told them that, which seems to be typical of "believers". Just believe whatever someone else in the church tells them!

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#5 Jan 13, 2013
Unfortunately you are correct. All my life I heard stuff preached, cause that's the way Granpap preached it, but it was not in the Bible or just misquoted/understood and was the furtherest from the truth. You must pray for the knowledge/wisdom to understand and the grace to carry the blessing with you. Do not take anyone's word for the fact of being God's word.
agnostic wrote:
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I have heard many people say "a child can understand it", so perhaps they misunderstood who told them that, which seems to be typical of "believers". Just believe whatever someone else in the church tells them!
agnostic

Ooltewah, TN

#6 Jan 16, 2013
I wouldn't take ANYONE'S word for it being God's word!

Since: May 09

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#7 Jan 20, 2013
That is good...study for yourself and the Lord will let you see.
agnostic wrote:
I wouldn't take ANYONE'S word for it being God's word!
agnostic

Ooltewah, TN

#8 Jan 20, 2013
Am With Goober45 -maybe wrote:
That is good...study for yourself and the Lord will let you see.
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Sorry, but the more I learn the more I have to reject it - entirely!
Sadie May

Ooltewah, TN

#9 Jan 21, 2013
Mr. Agnostic you need to read "the Harbinger" by Johnathan Cahn. It is a wonderfully written book. It will show you how what is happening in the US today happened over a thousand years ago. Isiah 9:10. This book will really make you think and want to read your bible and accept Jesus as your savior.

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#10 Jan 22, 2013
The more you learn of the Bible or the more you learn of mankind? Don't give up so quickly, there are blessings waiting for you. Take care.
agnostic wrote:
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Sorry, but the more I learn the more I have to reject it - entirely!

“dumbasses”

Since: May 09

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#11 Jan 22, 2013
agnostic wrote:
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Sorry, but the more I learn the more I have to reject it - entirely!
If I may ask?Why do you reject it?
agnostic

Ooltewah, TN

#12 Jan 23, 2013
goober45 wrote:
<quoted text>If I may ask?Why do you reject it?
I reject it because, in my opinion, it is just a collection of stories (and not very plausible ones at that). I don't see how anyone can believe that it is a factual, complete account of actual events, much less that we are supposed to try to live by it.

Since: May 09

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#13 Jan 24, 2013
So sorry to hear that, I pray you will have a change of heart. Actually it is no more a "colletion of stories" than your standard American/World History books used in our educational system. But the main reason I accept it...faith. Take care and know you are loved.
agnostic wrote:
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I reject it because, in my opinion, it is just a collection of stories (and not very plausible ones at that). I don't see how anyone can believe that it is a factual, complete account of actual events, much less that we are supposed to try to live by it.
agnostic

Ooltewah, TN

#14 Jan 24, 2013
Am With Goober45 -maybe wrote:
So sorry to hear that, I pray you will have a change of heart. Actually it is no more a "colletion of stories" than your standard American/World History books used in our educational system. But the main reason I accept it...faith. Take care and know you are loved.
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I can't imagine swearing that every word in a history book is true and complete, as people tend to do with the Bible. And I doubt anyone is relying on a history book for the answer on how to live their lives, as it is a book edited by men who put a particular "spin" on the events. Sound familiar?

I don't mean to be rude, but it amuses me when Christians are always "sorry" to hear that someone doesn't believe and that they will pray for them. First of all, perhaps I feel sorry for those who do believe, but to say so is really an insult to that person. That person offering to pray (intervene) on my behalf indicates that they think they have a lot of influence with God. As I understand it, if I were to reach out to God, he would be there for me. If he wanted, he would reach out to me, regardless of who is or isn't praying for me. What makes you or anyone else think that your praying for me to find him has any influence on anything? Do you think that others are not/have not prayed on my behalf? Or do you think that your prayer is more special than theirs?

I truly don't mean to be condescending to you personally. I've just never understood why people think this way and no one has ever given me an answer.

Since: May 09

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#15 Jan 28, 2013
I do not read "condescending" but rather anger. Maybe prayers are working and you just are not ready to accept. I cannot speak for anyone else but I certainly don't have any influence or VIP passes with God. However, I can pray that the Holy Spirit will touch your heart and help you to accept Jesus as your Lord and Saviour. It is a free will decision given to us by God and that is my prayer, you will decide to love Him as he loves you. I really don't mind you feeling sorry for me because I am a believer. Trust me, I have done a lot in my life for you to feel sorry for me about and as a believer now know how many precious years and valuable time I have stolen from myself by not spending it in the presence and sweet grace of the Lord. So I do understand when you say you are sorry for me because I have been so wasteful.
agnostic wrote:
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I can't imagine swearing that every word in a history book is true and complete, as people tend to do with the Bible. And I doubt anyone is relying on a history book for the answer on how to live their lives, as it is a book edited by men who put a particular "spin" on the events. Sound familiar?
I don't mean to be rude, but it amuses me when Christians are always "sorry" to hear that someone doesn't believe and that they will pray for them. First of all, perhaps I feel sorry for those who do believe, but to say so is really an insult to that person. That person offering to pray (intervene) on my behalf indicates that they think they have a lot of influence with God. As I understand it, if I were to reach out to God, he would be there for me. If he wanted, he would reach out to me, regardless of who is or isn't praying for me. What makes you or anyone else think that your praying for me to find him has any influence on anything? Do you think that others are not/have not prayed on my behalf? Or do you think that your prayer is more special than theirs?
I truly don't mean to be condescending to you personally. I've just never understood why people think this way and no one has ever given me an answer.
one rotton tater

New Tazewell, TN

#16 Jan 29, 2013
agnostic wrote:
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I can't imagine swearing that every word in a history book is true and complete, as people tend to do with the Bible. And I doubt anyone is relying on a history book for the answer on how to live their lives, as it is a book edited by men who put a particular "spin" on the events. Sound familiar?
I don't mean to be rude, but it amuses me when Christians are always "sorry" to hear that someone doesn't believe and that they will pray for them. First of all, perhaps I feel sorry for those who do believe, but to say so is really an insult to that person. That person offering to pray (intervene) on my behalf indicates that they think they have a lot of influence with God. As I understand it, if I were to reach out to God, he would be there for me. If he wanted, he would reach out to me, regardless of who is or isn't praying for me. What makes you or anyone else think that your praying for me to find him has any influence on anything? Do you think that others are not/have not prayed on my behalf? Or do you think that your prayer is more special than theirs?
I truly don't mean to be condescending to you personally. I've just never understood why people think this way and no one has ever given me an answer.
There's nothing wrong with having faith. For some thats all they have left in this cruel world. For non believers there's antidepressants and other drugs. The only answer you need is to stay out of other peoples business. You do your thing and we do ours. Thats your answer!
agnostic

Ooltewah, TN

#17 Jan 29, 2013
one rotton tater wrote:
<quoted text>There's nothing wrong with having faith. For some thats all they have left in this cruel world. For non believers there's antidepressants and other drugs. The only answer you need is to stay out of other peoples business. You do your thing and we do ours. Thats your answer!
This is hilarious! I believe it's the other way around - Christians sticking their noses in OUR business in general, and mine in particular, when they inquire as to our beliefs. Then when they learn that we are non-believers, they offer to rescue us from our "stupidity" and hell-bound ways by praying on our behalf.

Tazewell and New Tazewell have more Bible beating Christians than anything else, yet their use of antidepressants, pain killers, etc. is outrageously high. I know more Christians who take them than non-Christians, so you might want to do your homework before making such a broad statement.

Since: May 09

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#18 Feb 1, 2013
Glad I don't live there...I don't beat my Bible.
agnostic wrote:
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This is hilarious! I believe it's the other way around - Christians sticking their noses in OUR business in general, and mine in particular, when they inquire as to our beliefs. Then when they learn that we are non-believers, they offer to rescue us from our "stupidity" and hell-bound ways by praying on our behalf.
Tazewell and New Tazewell have more Bible beating Christians than anything else, yet their use of antidepressants, pain killers, etc. is outrageously high. I know more Christians who take them than non-Christians, so you might want to do your homework before making such a broad statement.
holysmokes

Ooltewah, TN

#19 Feb 1, 2013
Am With Goober45 -maybe wrote:
I do not read "condescending" but rather anger. Maybe prayers are working and you just are not ready to accept. I cannot speak for anyone else but I certainly don't have any influence or VIP passes with God. However, I can pray that the Holy Spirit will touch your heart and help you to accept Jesus as your Lord and Saviour. It is a free will decision given to us by God and that is my prayer, you will decide to love Him as he loves you. I really don't mind you feeling sorry for me because I am a believer. Trust me, I have done a lot in my life for you to feel sorry for me about and as a believer now know how many precious years and valuable time I have stolen from myself by not spending it in the presence and sweet grace of the Lord. So I do understand when you say you are sorry for me because I have been so wasteful.
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Where do you read anger? Just because I'm coming from an opposite position on the subject? Would it make sense to you if I said that I sense anger in you by your post?

Since: May 09

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#20 Feb 3, 2013
Quote from Agnostic-"What makes you or anyone else think that your praying for me to find him has any influence on anything? Do you think that others are not/have not prayed on my behalf? Or do you think that your prayer is more special than theirs?"

This is one of several places I read anger in your posts. No, it probably would not make sense if you used the anger regarding my posts, but would not surprise me if you used the word ignorance.

Now all people warrant prayer and all can be changed, but since you are not quite certain if there is or is not a God (based on your name) it encourages me even more to pray for folks like you. The way I see it is "IF", and that is the world's biggest if, I am wrong and there is no afterlife, then no harm no foul. On the other hand, after passing on just to learn my belief is right then it would be eternal hell for those who did not accept Christ as their Saviour and I would have to bear the burden of not at least praying for and trying to lead each and every soul to eternal peace. That is my job dude/dudette. Love you
holysmokes wrote:
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Where do you read anger? Just because I'm coming from an opposite position on the subject? Would it make sense to you if I said that I sense anger in you by your post?

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