Authorities say men who died diving o...

Authorities say men who died diving off Key Largo didn't follow...

There are 36 comments on the South Florida Sun-Sentinel story from Mar 17, 2007, titled Authorities say men who died diving off Key Largo didn't follow.... In it, South Florida Sun-Sentinel reports that:

The New Jersey divers who died after becoming trapped in a dangerous Key Largo wreck didn't follow proper safety procedures and entered a zone of the sunken ship that was supposed to be off-limits, authorities ...

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Johnny diver

Saint Catharines, Canada

#1 Mar 17, 2007
these guys didnt know what they were doing and look what happened, a lesson for all of us to learn, PLAN your dive Dive your plan !
Dave C

AOL

#2 Mar 17, 2007
fLORIDA SHOULD REQUIRE DIVE MASTERS TO GUIDE VISITORS TO WRECKS AND THEY DON'T. INSTEAD, THERE'S A DIVEMASTER ONLY ON THE BOAT AND NOT IN THE WATER WITH YOU... NOT MUCH HELP DURING THE DIVE..
liberal thinking

Miami, FL

#3 Mar 18, 2007
well it's obvious these guys didn't know what they were doing or else this tragedy woudn't have happened....the one guy who says that the three did have a dive plan is trying to cover up for their inaccuracies.....as always be prepared.
Rob

Fort Lauderdale, FL

#4 Mar 18, 2007
At least the good Lord usually only allows folks to do something this stupid only once.
Ol Drippy

San Francisco, CA

#5 Mar 18, 2007
I have a plan , trash in one bag , cans in another , and be sure to separate the brown and the green glass.
DEFENDER

United States

#6 Mar 18, 2007
Tony Donetz, a New Jersey dive boat captain and friend of the four, disputed those conclusions after talking himself with Spralter on Saturday.
Will someone please explain what the writer is trying to say here. Thanks.
sad

Fort Benning, GA

#8 Mar 18, 2007
sad that the men from n.j. didnt know what they were doing. not to be insensitive, but what were they thinking? how can you take the dangers of the depths so casually? did they ever even dive before?? are there any rules or laws when you hire a boat to take you diving? is everyone from nj as bad at diving as they are at driving? what a shame for their families. may they rest in peace.
Bud

Deltona, FL

#9 Mar 18, 2007
sad wrote:
sad that the men from n.j. didnt know what they were doing. not to be insensitive, but what were they thinking? how can you take the dangers of the depths so casually? did they ever even dive before?? are there any rules or laws when you hire a boat to take you diving? is everyone from nj as bad at diving as they are at driving? what a shame for their families. may they rest in peace.
They had a plan. Was it adequate, was it based on experience or was it based on anticipation (like the war in Iraq; a Bush Plan). Strobes vs a line. A line is low tech but dependable. They gave it their best shot, their best plan, and lost. Mountain climbers face the same issues. Will there be a weather change? How severe and how long will it last. when do we turn around? Read "Into Thin Air".
rich

Fort Lauderdale, FL

#10 Mar 18, 2007
wonder who i'd beleive--the investigators who r unbiased w/ no agenda OR the divers friend who might not want to admit that his friends made a fatal mistake. the friend would be ostricized by the diving community if he hinted that those unsafe diving thrillseeking bozo
divers were careless in not following safety precautions. he has to stick up for the dead divers even if they were not cautious.
Last Dive

United States

#11 Mar 18, 2007
They thought they could skimp on the safety precautions, and it bit them in the arse.
Midnight buffet Cowboy

United States

#12 Mar 18, 2007
All things considered,I'll stick to getting blind drunk on a cruise ship, there's always the possibility that I will pass out before falling over the side.
Yep

Miami, FL

#13 Mar 18, 2007
Bud wrote:
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They had a plan. Was it adequate, was it based on experience or was it based on anticipation (like the war in Iraq; a Bush Plan). Strobes vs a line. A line is low tech but dependable. They gave it their best shot, their best plan, and lost. Mountain climbers face the same issues. Will there be a weather change? How severe and how long will it last. when do we turn around? Read "Into Thin Air".
You're absolutely right. People these days seem to think that no accidents ever happen unless someone acted negligently. Sorry folks, but sometimes **** happens even when you are completely prepared. Maybe you'll start suing less often upon absorbing that lesson.
Pago Pago Trojan

Toledo, OH

#14 Mar 18, 2007
Bud wrote:
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They had a plan. Was it adequate, was it based on experience or was it based on anticipation (like the war in Iraq; a Bush Plan). Strobes vs a line. A line is low tech but dependable. They gave it their best shot, their best plan, and lost. Mountain climbers face the same issues. Will there be a weather change? How severe and how long will it last. when do we turn around? Read "Into Thin Air".
Yes, we should have let sadddam and his two nice sons live...what's another 100,000 Kurds?!
Capt Ron

AOL

#15 Mar 18, 2007
Six deaths in 5 years! Holy Moly. Why intentionally sink a recreational dive attraction which turns out to be a people killer? Seal off the access to the interior before any more lives are wasted.
SFN

West Palm Beach, FL

#16 Mar 18, 2007
Pago Pago Trojan wrote:
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Yes, we should have let sadddam and his two nice sons live...what's another 100,000 Kurds?!
Have you ever read a history book? You know nothing. Keep your uneducated comments to yourself.
Capt Ron

AOL

#17 Mar 18, 2007
Six deaths in 5 years! Holy Moly. Why intentionally sink a recreational dive attraction which turns out to be a people killer? Seal off the access to the interior before any more lives are wasted.
SFN

West Palm Beach, FL

#18 Mar 18, 2007
Yep wrote:
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You're absolutely right. People these days seem to think that no accidents ever happen unless someone acted negligently. Sorry folks, but sometimes **** happens even when you are completely prepared. Maybe you'll start suing less often upon absorbing that lesson.
Actually I think its the other way around. "Its never anyones fault" thinking is repulsive in todays society. No one takes responsibility these days. I get hit from behind by a car and the driver offers no apology not even "are you ok" I do not even have to say how I proceed in those situations.

Fact is unexpected things can happen, bottom line, it is there fault no matter what. The divers were placing themselves in a RISK situation, not even talking about entering the ship, just scuba diving itself.

The fact that the divers did NOT use a LINE is very telling. "Strob lights", are you kidding me!

That dive IS very simple, like other posters have said before me, they went in with a sloppy dive plan, and they got what they deserved. There are no excusses. There is NO reason for something like this to occure.

I admit even myself I have pulled some stupid stunts. With calculated risk. What I have done once or twice, I did knowingly, that I placed myself at risk. Obviously these divers did so as well, abit to much.

$hit I just lost my power...
Barnacle Bill

AOL

#19 Mar 18, 2007
"That they didn't use lines? There's other substitutes ... they used strobe lights to mark the entrances and exits."

This guy is an idiot. If they had used a safety line, they would have made it out. What good are stobes if you get lost in a darkened interior of the ship?
Jim H

Dayton, OH

#20 Mar 18, 2007
Sorry they were negligent. Its one thing to look at a wreck from the outside and its another to go inside. What a plan. Leave someone at the entrance to report when they can't find their way out.

Only certified "Cave and Wreck" divers should ever go inside a cave or wreck. When they do they have guide lines, extra tanks, extra equipment, and back up plans on top of backup plans.

Just because you can ride a bicycle doesn't mean you can ride a 1000cc Gold Wing.

By the way you can hold an "Advanced Diving Rating" with as little as 9 dives.

Jim H (A Certified Cave Diver"
cjcanefan

Tavernier, FL

#21 Mar 18, 2007
The bottom line is that these guys were unprepared for what they did. Have you ever dove the Spiegel Grove? It is not an easy dive. Who knows what happened to these fools once they got into a dark silty area. Strobes? You're kidding right? What a dumb idea. Can you really see a strobe when it is completely black and silty? They went into an area where they should not have gone and they paid the ultimate price.
You're absolutely right. People these days seem to think that no accidents ever happen unless someone acted negligently. Sorry folks, but sometimes **** happens even when you are completely prepared. Maybe you'll start suing less often upon absorbing that lesson.

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