Hundreds knock on doors of dropouts

Hundreds knock on doors of dropouts

There are 210 comments on the LA Daily News story from Sep 24, 2010, titled Hundreds knock on doors of dropouts. In it, LA Daily News reports that:

Shielding her eyes from the blazing sun, Kim Courtney walked up to the black iron door and crossed her fingers that - this time - a student would answer her knock.

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WHAATTT

Rosemead, CA

#212 Nov 29, 2010
Girl wrote:
<quoted text> Air conditioning is a necessity today, especially for people who are elderly or ill. The whole point of the Food Stamps program is to help poor people by higher quality and more nutritious foods! You miss the entire point of all "The Great Society" programs that were initiated by President Lyndon Johnson and the Democrats in the 1960s!
Girl. Just one more time. You're just not willing to entertain the concept that what was once a last-ditch survival mode has become a routine way of life for many, many people and is now actually considered something to be proud of. You speak of the Great Society: I was part of that. I'm in my 60's. What was intended for good then (as a safety net for a brief period of time) has been bastardized and has become habituated and will be a death knell for our state and if we're not careful, for our country.

And by the way. NOBODY had air conditioning back in the day unless you were rich. We ran through sprinklers and turned off lights and if we were lucky we had a fan. If it got too bad we went to the public pool for a nickel or a movie for a dime (we usually returned coke bottles for the cost of admission) to cool off of an afternoon. You'd be surprised at how little is actually NECESSARY to live. We've managed to bastardize that too. I hope someday you will get real. Get where people really live. Get some perspective on what made this a great country and what is bringing us down.
Anamouse

El Segundo, CA

#213 Nov 30, 2010
WHAATTT wrote:
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Girl. Just one more time. You're just not willing to entertain the concept that what was once a last-ditch survival mode has become a routine way of life for many, many people and is now actually considered something to be proud of. You speak of the Great Society: I was part of that. I'm in my 60's. What was intended for good then (as a safety net for a brief period of time) has been bastardized and has become habituated and will be a death knell for our state and if we're not careful, for our country.
And by the way. NOBODY had air conditioning back in the day unless you were rich. We ran through sprinklers and turned off lights and if we were lucky we had a fan. If it got too bad we went to the public pool for a nickel or a movie for a dime (we usually returned coke bottles for the cost of admission) to cool off of an afternoon. You'd be surprised at how little is actually NECESSARY to live. We've managed to bastardize that too. I hope someday you will get real. Get where people really live. Get some perspective on what made this a great country and what is bringing us down.
What really irks me is when I see people living off food stamps and other forms of CHARITY paid for with my tax money, who are indulging in luxuries I deny myself because their not in my budget.

People who live in subdidized housing who leave all their lights on all the time, and Air Conditioning running non stop in the summer becasue I'm paying for it, not them.

People who think they can't live without name brand Pepsi and bottled water, while I drink tap water to save money.

People who have cable tv with more chanels than I ever will because after they get the subsidisy paid for with my tax money, they can afford that luxury.

People who can sleep in late ever day and don't know what it's like to go to work sick because they can't afford to take a day off to get better, giving me heck because they don't think I give them enough of my hard earned money.

I have no doubt most would very suddenly discover they too have the ability to work if they were suddenly denied access to my hard earned money and had to live on what they earned.
WHAATTT

Rosemead, CA

#215 Nov 30, 2010
But the government is the big enabler. If they didn’t offer it hand over fist, maybe folks would make different decisions. Just take a look at how government spends what it takes. And if it isn't enough, they just take more. You never see them denying themselves anything though. Pelosi wants a new JET because she deserves it. How many kids could we feed with that money? How many with just the cost for fuel and upkeep on a private jet? And I remember that L.A.’s councilmembers always redecorated their offices every two or three years for as much as $75,000 a shot, and that was back in the 80’s. I know this because I processed their paperwork. Then when the country's in got problems, they just throw more money at it. Our money. Never once saw them cut their own budget. Villaraigosa has a staff of over 200 employees. But he wants the worker-bees to give up what they have. Typical.

Too many not working? That's OK. Just take more from those who do. Kids won't go to school? Build luxury high schools. Half a billion for each new high school. Landscaped atriums and skylights. Fill the classrooms with computers. More money for teachers. I worked for six months as a second job at a local community college. I parked my 2002 Honda in a lot with a bunch of Lexuses and Mercedes. They don't make enough, all right.

But it’s interesting how the government USES children to get people to pony up. After all, who can bear to see a kid hungry? Who cares that almost 58 cents of every tax dollar in this state is spent on schools. Bring it on. We, the taxpayers, can afford it. Then get the Feds to pay for infrastructure issues. But we also pay for that, too, don’t we?
WHAATTT

Rosemead, CA

#216 Nov 30, 2010
Whenever they want BIG money, they whine about the poor children and how they’re underpriviledged and such. Never seems to occur to anyone that what those kids do or don’t have and how they turn out is rightfully the parents’ responsibility.

Seems to me all that’s doing is making a bunch of irresponsible, self-indulgent and dependent kids, many of whom turn to bad stuff out of shear boredom.. They say they need stuff to do after school. So they throw more money at it. They provide breakfast and lunch for them because the parents are too lazy to get up a little early and actually cook for their kids. I blame parents as much as the government, though. And what good is all this catering to the kids really doing? Delinquency is through the roof and gangs are running amok.

In the March election, the City Council is running a bunch of Code amendments. Most of them either give them more power or more money. One measure will authorize them to take $3 million from the General Fund to finance their elections. That's $500,000 each election per member (15 cclmembers and the Mayor, half one year, half the next). And they get to spend that to get reelected, whether we think they should be running or not. They will claim that this will mean they won’t have to take money from special interests. BS. They will take both, wait and see.(Gotta watch that one, friend.)

But I’m ranting. My buttons push much easier these days. We’re outnumbered in this state and nothing’s going to change until forced bankruptcy. Plenty good. But not with my dime.
WHAATTT

Rosemead, CA

#217 Nov 30, 2010
Girl wrote:
<quoted text> There was a time in this country when no one had electricity, or running water, or indoor plumbing, or bathrooms either! Would that also be OK with your for the poor people of today? Many of you would be happy too see poor families and children living on the streets as well! We have a MORAL obligation to protect the families and children who have fallen through the cracks. NO ONE should go hungry or live on the streets in a rich country like America, or anywhere for that mater if their government can help them! The programs that America has put into place are the most humane in history, and everyone with any sense of ethics understands that. As difficult as it may be to some of you, you must try to fight your greedy selfish nature and do what is right.
I never made more than $40,000 gross in my life but I took care of my kid, including paying for private school because he wasn’t safe in the public one. He had a hot breakfast every morning and a packed lunch. After school he came home, did his homework, cleaned the house and did yard work if the weather permitted, then helped me get dinner ready when I got home. I was fortunate in that one of my sisters didn’t work and she was with him each afternoon to see to it, and I paid her to do it so she had a little income of her own. He was never left home alone, and he wasn’t allowed off the block when he went out to play. He was MY kid, and I raised him.

Then after dinner, we’d play cards or games, go over his homework, and read together for at least an hour every night. He didn’t have time to join gangs or have any money to hang out at malls. On Saturday morning we watched cartoons together then ran errands. Sunday was church and an outing of some sort. A movie, the park, the beach, but only if all the work was done and we were ready to start it over again come Monday. You see, he was my life and my RESPONSIBILITY.

I didn’t have cable. I cut my own hair. No fake nails, no luxury car (not even electric windows), no air conditioning, no computer. Because my choice was to spend what I had on my kid and any other kid he dragged through the door while their mothers stayed at home and were supported by my tax dollars. If that’s selfish, I’ll take it.

It would have been far easier to let someone else be responsible for my bills (and I could have) and sleep in late and let the schools feed him and provide after school activities for him. Cheaper too. Girl, rant on. You are clueless.
Anamouse

El Segundo, CA

#218 Nov 30, 2010
Girl wrote:
<quoted text> There was a time in this country when no one had electricity, or running water, or indoor plumbing, or bathrooms either! Would that also be OK with your for the poor people of today? Many of you would be happy too see poor families and children living on the streets as well! We have a MORAL obligation to protect the families and children who have fallen through the cracks. NO ONE should go hungry or live on the streets in a rich country like America, or anywhere for that mater if their government can help them! The programs that America has put into place are the most humane in history, and everyone with any sense of ethics understands that. As difficult as it may be to some of you, you must try to fight your greedy selfish nature and do what is right.
I'll tell you what, millions of people like me go camping without luxuries like running water and bathrooms every year; you may consider that un-civilized but I don't.

Now I'm not suggesting we start allowing poor people to use the streets for toilets, but I'd certainly not continue paying more taxes so that they can use their spare money to buy luxuries like alcohol, tobacco and air conditioning that I deny myself largely because of he cost.

In fact I'd be willing to kick anyone caught with alcohol in a subsidized lifestyle off assistance, becuase if they have money for things like BEER or air conditioning, they don't really need my money.

Since you're such a bleeding heart let me put it another way. You seem to think Air Conditioning that I'm too cheap to turn on in my own house is a necessity,(I do qualify for senior discounts).

So, if some of these poor folks would just give me their BEER MONEY, I could use it to turn on my Air Conditioner. You are in favor of that aren't you???

After all, you consider Air Conditioning a necessity for seniors, I am one, and if they have AC and BEER they certainly should be asked to give up their beer so that I can use my AC too.

Right?
WHAATTT

Rosemead, CA

#221 Dec 1, 2010
Hey Anamouse: Chicken breasts and thight 99 cents a pound @ Stater brothers; pork butt 99 cents too, same place. Rice 99 cents a pound. LOL!
Anamouse

El Segundo, CA

#222 Dec 1, 2010
Girl wrote:
<quoted text> You have a damn income, and you can buy beer and run your AC if you choose! Why begrudge people who have little or nothing? Is a cold beer on a hot day such a sin, or a cool breeze from an air conditioner? Your fixation on your own dollar bills is blinding your ability to feel even a drop of compassion for the poor people in our society.
My compassion goes to people who need the charity to get along, not people who use to subsitize their lifesyles so they can enjoy copious quanties of alcoholic beverages and live in comfortable air conditioned conditions at my expense, while I don't have the same because I don't feel like spending all that money on myself.

No they don't deserve a nice cool beer, paid for by me and since I am also not willing to spend my own money to buy those things for myself, I don't think I'm a hypocrit for not wanting the government to tax me so they can buy things like that for other people.

I want all my charity money used to feed people healthy food, and keep them of the rain and cold. As soon as there is enough left over for BEER and Air Conditioning, they need to send the extra back to the people they took it from, not throw a party for the poor.

I know too many so called poor people who milk the system so they don't have to go to work like I do, and I don't want any of my money to go to them. If they want a cool beer they need to go to work.
Anamouse

El Segundo, CA

#224 Dec 2, 2010
Girl wrote:
<quoted text> You presume that every poor person is some kind of criminal milking the system at YOUR expense? Plenty of workers and families just can not make ends meet today, so they are merely taking advantage of government programs designed for people in need. Fortunately, our government does not share in your selfish opinions, nor are they ever likely to. Perhaps someday even you will start to think about people other than just yourself.
Not hardly, I don't believe they are all milking the system, but I know lots that do and assume that for every one I know there are thousands more that I don't know. Sadly they greately diminish the resources available to the very few, who really need help.

I think people like you make it so hard for the folks who really need the help to get it by encourraging others who really don't need the help themselves and that depletes the resources.

I do know a few people who have though no fault of their own become too infirm to work and if people like me didn't help them they practically couldn't survive because there simily are too many on the dole and not enough to go around.

It makes me sick when I see someone using food stamps resources when they obviously have enought left over to also buy beer and cigaretts because I know that money would be better spent on medicine one of my real needy friends can't afford.

Every time someone my tax money is used by someone to keep their air conditioning and cable TV going, I wish I could shut them down and use the same money to fix the heater at another friends house so he'd not get sick so often.

The biggest problem I have with our government charity system is that it really doesn't care who it gives the money to and in a grand attempt to treat everyone the same and not embarass anyone, they fail to screen out the people who don't really need hand outs.

I've driven many people to assistance centers and perhaps you should take a little time out of your busy day and do the same. Those centers are so good at handing out FREE assistance that almost anyone who understands the system can work the system.. and many do.

It's like medical clinics, where anyone can walk in and pretend to be indigent, and get treated for free.

It's like the free food programs at school, where no one needs to show any proof of poverty, so in many cases they end up signing up a lot of rich kids.

It's like our voting system, where you don't have to show proof of identity to vote, so many people who aren't even citizens do.

I'm proud of the help I give to people who really need it, and ashmed of how our government has created an entire generation of freeloaders who see no need to work because they can get free stuff so easily.

These days the less you have the more you get for free, and it's gotten to the point where lots of people who are quite capable of working for a living choose not to because they can do just as well on tax funded handouts.

What do you think "chump change" is all about?
WHAATTT

Rosemead, CA

#225 Dec 2, 2010
Anamouse. You try to give those you help tools so they can help themselves. The government gives them stuff so they become more and more dependent. Is this an accident or does our government want everyone dependent and therefore pliable? But I digress. Ignore this bimbo. I still think she (if she is a she) may be making this up as s/he goes along to bait us. And even if she actually believes this bilge she is beneath your attention. I'm done with her. But you keep doing what you're doing as I will on a case-by-case basis with our own resources. I admire you.

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