107-year-old Holocaust survivor, Jeho...

107-year-old Holocaust survivor, Jehovah's Witness is star of 'Ladder in the Lions' Den' documentary

There are 53 comments on the LA Daily News story from Nov 13, 2012, titled 107-year-old Holocaust survivor, Jehovah's Witness is star of 'Ladder in the Lions' Den' documentary. In it, LA Daily News reports that:

12, 2012. The film depicts Engleitner s life as a Jehovah s Witness in Nazi concentration camps.

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Noni

Elizabeth, Australia

#41 Nov 15, 2012
Pilate took water and washed his hands before the crowd, saying: "I am innocent of the blood of this [man]. You yourselves must see to it."
At that all the people said in answer: "His blood come upon us and upon our children."

Do you know how many people died in the concentration camps while America hesitated to enter Germany?

Do you think it is good to send healthy men to a country that openly despise and hide militants to attack our men and women? American and Aussie soldiers are sitting ducks. Their uniform is an easy target from those who hide among the locals. Americans and Aussies go in to declare war against those who cowardly attack civilians, women and babies. It is an uneven war. The taliban are hidden and have the support of villagers.

Governments are sending large amounts of taxpayers money to these countries, not to mention the weapons and air-craft. Money and war machinery to a country that hates you.

The men are coming back from war damaged. They are physically and mentally wounded. Their strength has been robbed. Money that could be used at home is taken and given away. What toll is this war really taking? We will soon find out.....

"Cursed is the able-bodied man who puts his trust in earthling man and actually makes flesh his arm, and whose heart turns away from Jehovah himself."
Carlo

Sheffield, UK

#42 Nov 22, 2012
My Question is still on the table
"Do you condemn those who went to the army as sinning and freed the folks in the concentration camps, like the jw do?"

Dont know why you say that its totally untrue, I am sure many who joined the army did it out of good motives. However there is a fact if everyone actually applied the bibles standards when it comes to warfare there would be no war.
If someone joins the army its their choice but witnesses wont because of their conscience. Its not a matter of whether they were saved from the concentration camp its just a matter that they were true to their bible trained conscience whatever the outcome.
The point made that it was Jehovah who rescued them is an unknown one. Jehovah can maneuver events if it is in line with his purpose and I believe there are examples of that. In other cases he may just give people the strength to deal with a situation but not actually remove it. No human actually knows for definite at this present time.
It is not for anyone to condemn anyone else, everyone follows their own conscience,. Witnesses do not condone warfare but we are neutral not fighting on any side. I dont think that is the stance of cowards, they were persecuted both in the axis and in the allied countries for this stance.
As for the statement we are a cult, we are not by the definition of a cult. I used to be a Roman catholic you tell me which religion has a single central charismatic leader you might find it hard to not label them as a cult if you see the definition.
Anyway everyone will never become a witness at this point in history on the earth and not everyone who is not will decide not to fight in wars so until after Armageddon there will be those prepared to kill others in warfare. The one thing witnesses need to be concerned with is making sure they do what Jehovah asks not the world, what everyone else does is up to them whether it be for our benefit or detriment is irrelevant.
Jeime Dominguez

United States

#43 Oct 4, 2015
Carlo wrote:
My Question is still on the table
"Do you condemn those who went to the army as sinning and freed the folks in the concentration camps, like the jw do?"
Dont know why you say that its totally untrue, I am sure many who joined the army did it out of good motives. However there is a fact if everyone actually applied the bibles standards when it comes to warfare there would be no war.
If someone joins the army its their choice but witnesses wont because of their conscience. Its not a matter of whether they were saved from the concentration camp its just a matter that they were true to their bible trained conscience whatever the outcome.
The point made that it was Jehovah who rescued them is an unknown one. Jehovah can maneuver events if it is in line with his purpose and I believe there are examples of that. In other cases he may just give people the strength to deal with a situation but not actually remove it. No human actually knows for definite at this present time.
It is not for anyone to condemn anyone else, everyone follows their own conscience,. Witnesses do not condone warfare but we are neutral not fighting on any side. I dont think that is the stance of cowards, they were persecuted both in the axis and in the allied countries for this stance.
As for the statement we are a cult, we are not by the definition of a cult. I used to be a Roman catholic you tell me which religion has a single central charismatic leader you might find it hard to not label them as a cult if you see the definition.
Anyway everyone will never become a witness at this point in history on the earth and not everyone who is not will decide not to fight in wars so until after Armageddon there will be those prepared to kill others in warfare. The one thing witnesses need to be concerned with is making sure they do what Jehovah asks not the world, what everyone else does is up to them whether it be for our benefit or detriment is irrelevant.
Eat freely from my nutsack.

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#44 Oct 4, 2015
What still is amazing is how jw's believe satan was behind stopping Hitler.
Jace

Clinton, MD

#47 Oct 4, 2015
Matt9969 wrote:
What still is amazing is how jw's believe satan was behind stopping Hitler.
Did you mean Jehovah ?

Since: Jun 13

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#48 Oct 6, 2015
Jace wrote:
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Did you mean Jehovah ?
It took military might to stop him, and jw's think the militaries of the world are controlled by satan, so they have to believe satan stopped Hitler.
fiona

Raleigh, NC

#49 Oct 6, 2015
Matt9969 wrote:
<quoted text>
It took military might to stop him, and jw's think the militaries of the world are controlled by satan, so they have to believe satan stopped Hitler.
"A house divided against itself can not stand."
diogenes

Dallas, TX

#50 Oct 6, 2015
jace wrote:
Hitler did not believe that OTHERS should have the freedom to worship as they pleased without being Denigrated, belittle or called names or advancing the idea that they should Die for being different from him
in many western countries folks like my granddad put their lives on the line so that others who may have believed differently from him growing up in Rural NC could have such freedom.
Yet is it not amazing how NO ONE JW WOULD HAVE RISK THEIR LIFE for him?
Here is the deal. If your granddad was born and Germany and had Arian blood running through his veins, then he would have fought for the fatherland just like every other German.

This is how war happens. Citizens of one country must fight against the citizens of another country. And the ONLY THING (99.9 % of the time) that determines which side you fight for is based on what country you happen to be born in.
fiona

Raleigh, NC

#51 Oct 6, 2015
And the "Christian" 'ministers'(slaves ministering food supplies? or "the hired man" ?) on either side would have told you "Gott mit UNS", "God is on our side".(misappropriating "Immanuel" , perhaps?)

"Come out of her, my people, if you don't want to share in her destruction."
Because "A house divided against itself can not stand."

Since: Jun 13

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#52 Oct 7, 2015
Again..jw's do not believe in charity, did not provide aide to jews in Germany and I'm guessing I'll have to breakout the letters again from the governing body giving support to Hilter and his ideals.

Since: Sep 14

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#53 Oct 7, 2015
At least he wasn't shunned by his church. H.-never excommunicated.
https://www.google.com/search...
Gertrude Himmelfarb

Raleigh, NC

#54 Oct 7, 2015
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/H...

JEWISH VIRTUAL LIBRARY

Non-Jewish Victims of the Holocaust:
Jehovah's Witnesses

Jehovah's Witnesses endured intense persecution under the Nazi regime. Actions against the religious group and its individual members spanned the Nazi years 1933 to 1945.
Unlike Jews and Sinti and Roma ("Gypsies"), persecuted and killed by virtue of their birth, Jehovah's Witnesses had the opportunity to escape persecution and personal harm by renouncing their religious beliefs.
The courage the vast majority displayed in refusing to do so, in the face of torture, maltreatment in concentration camps, and sometimes execution, won them the respect of many contemporaries.
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in the early 1930s, Nazi brownshirted storm troopers, acting outside the law, broke up Bible study meetings and beat up, individual Witnesses.

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Jehovah's Witnesses, in Germany as in the United States, had refused to fight in World War I. This stance contributed to hostility against them in a Germany still wounded by defeat in that war and fervently nationalistic, attempting to reclaim its previous world stature. In Nazi Germany, Jehovah's Witnesses refused to raise their arms in the "Heil, Hitler!" salute; they did not vote in elections; they would not join the army or the German Labor Front (a Nazi affiliate, which all salaried employees were required to join after 1934).

From 1935 onward, Jehovah's Witnesses faced a Nazi campaign of nearly total persecution. On April 1, 1935, the group was banned nationally by law. The same year, Germany reintroduced compulsory military service. For refusing to be drafted or perform war–related work, and for continuing to meet, Jehovah's Witnesses were arrested and incarcerated in prisons and concentration camps. In 1936 some 400 Jehovah's Witnesses were imprisoned at Sachsenhausen concentration camp.

In 1936 a special unit of the Gestapo (Secret State Police) began compiling a registry of all persons believed to be Jehovah's Witnesses, and agents infiltrated Bible study meetings. By 1939, an estimated 6,000 Witnesses (including those from incorporated Austria and Czechoslovakia) were detained in prisons or camps. Some Witnesses were tortured by police in attempts to make them sign a declaration renouncing their faith, but few capitulated.
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Gertrude Himmelfarb

Raleigh, NC

#55 Oct 7, 2015
JEWISH VIRTUAL LIBRARY
In response to Nazi efforts to destroy them, the worldwide Jehovah's Witness organization became a center of spiritual resistance against the Nazis. An international convention of Witnesses, held in Lucerne, Switzerland, in September 1936, issued a resolution condemning the entire Nazi regime. In this text and other literature brought into Germany, writers broadly indicted the Third Reich. Articles strongly denounced the persecution of German Jews, Nazi "savagery" toward Communists, the remilitarization of Germany, the Nazification of schools and universities, Nazi propaganda, and the regime's assault on mainstream churches.

The children of Jehovah's Witnesses also suffered. In classrooms, teachers ridiculed children who refused to give the "Heil, Hitler!" salute or sing patriotic songs. Classmates shunned and beat up young Witnesses. Principals expelled them from schools. Families were broken up as authorities took children away from their parents and sent them to reform schools, orphanages, or private homes, to be brought up as Nazis.

After 1939 most active Jehovah's Witnesses were incarcerated in prisons or concentration camps. Some had fled Germany. In the camps, all prisoners wore markings of various shapes and colors so that guards and camp officers could identify them by category. Witnesses were marked by purple triangular patches. Even in the camps, they continued to meet, pray, and make converts. In Buchenwald concentration camp, they set up an underground printing press and distributed religious tracts.

Conditions in Nazi camps were generally harsh for all inmates, many of whom died from hunger, disease, exhaustion, exposure to the cold, and brutal treatment. But, as psychoanalyst Bruno Bettelheim and others have noted, Witnesses were uniquely sustained in the camps by the support they gave each other and by their belief that their suffering was part of their work for God. Individual Witnesses astounded their guards with their refusal to conform to military-type routines like roll call or to roll bandages for soldiers at the front. At the same time, Witnesses were considered unusually trustworthy because they refused to escape from camps or physically resist their guards. For this reason, Witnesses were often used as domestic servants by Nazi camp officers and guards.

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During the liberation of the camps, Jehovah's Witnesses continued their work, moving among the survivors, making converts

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