California has failed to identify tho...

California has failed to identify thousands of buildings vulnerable to quakes

There are 75 comments on the KSWB-TV San Diego story from Mar 17, 2011, titled California has failed to identify thousands of buildings vulnerable to quakes. In it, KSWB-TV San Diego reports that:

Earthquakes in Japan and New Zealand have focused attention on quake safety and the vulnerability of brittle concrete buildings.

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Middle of the road

Rancho Cordova, CA

#1 Mar 18, 2011
Soooooooo, is someone saying the landlords/slumlords should make their buildings safer? You've got to be kidding, right? Ain't gunna happen! The repubicans have sent a message to Sacramento that they refuse to be forced to do anything anymore. Especially if it costs them money. Screw public safety when it comes to affecting the bottom line.

No more mandates/regulations.
u idiot troll

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#2 Mar 18, 2011
Middle of the road wrote:
Soooooooo, is someone saying the landlords/slumlords should make their buildings safer? You've got to be kidding, right? Ain't gunna happen! The repubicans have sent a message to Sacramento that they refuse to be forced to do anything anymore. Especially if it costs them money. Screw public safety when it comes to affecting the bottom line.
No more mandates/regulations.
Once again you just flat-out lie. You are an idiot troll.

The article points the finger at the California State Legislature which has been run/controlled by Democrats for nearly 50 YEARS!!!

The Democrat controlled legislature has been too busy spending taxpayer money on BIG SHOW ITEMS to gain votes through their pnzi-schemes rather than take care of infrastructure which is low-key, many times sight unseen repairs, made to retro-fit public buildings and structures to withstand specified levels of ground movement/vibration.
Middle of the road

Rancho Cordova, CA

#3 Mar 18, 2011
u idiot troll wrote:
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Once again you just flat-out lie. You are an idiot troll.
The article points the finger at the California State Legislature which has been run/controlled by Democrats for nearly 50 YEARS!!!
The Democrat controlled legislature has been too busy spending taxpayer money on BIG SHOW ITEMS to gain votes through their pnzi-schemes rather than take care of infrastructure which is low-key, many times sight unseen repairs, made to retro-fit public buildings and structures to withstand specified levels of ground movement/vibration.
And again, another repubican lemming who doesn't know that the governor must sign any legislation coming before him before it becomes law.

The legislature doesn't spend any money, THEY APPROPRIATE IT AND THE GOVERNORS APPOINTEES SPEND IT. Such an idiot.
u idiot troll

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#4 Mar 18, 2011
Middle of the road wrote:
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And again, another repubican lemming who doesn't know that the governor must sign any legislation coming before him before it becomes law.
The legislature doesn't spend any money, THEY APPROPRIATE IT AND THE GOVERNORS APPOINTEES SPEND IT. Such an idiot.
You are the Kool-aid drinking idiot.

When the 50+ years of Democrat controlled legislature APPROPRIATES money IT IS SPECIFICALLY DESIGNATED BY THE LEGISLATURE AS TO WHAT IT IS TO BE SPENT FOR.

And the Democrat legislature has continously overriden the Governors refusal to sign bills by a 2/3 vote - DUMMY!

READ SOME HISTORY BEFORE POSTING IN THE ADULT SECTION.
Middle of the road

Rancho Cordova, CA

#5 Mar 18, 2011
u idiot troll wrote:
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You are the Kool-aid drinking idiot.
When the 50+ years of Democrat controlled legislature APPROPRIATES money IT IS SPECIFICALLY DESIGNATED BY THE LEGISLATURE AS TO WHAT IT IS TO BE SPENT FOR.
And the Democrat legislature has continously overriden the Governors refusal to sign bills by a 2/3 vote - DUMMY!
READ SOME HISTORY BEFORE POSTING IN THE ADULT SECTION.
The Democrats haven't had a 2/3 majority for 50 years and I worked for the state for roughly 30 years and I never saw agencies/departments that were run by repubican appointees spend the money as the legislature intended.

Ronald Reagan January 3, 1967 to January 6, 1975 Republican, Edmund Gerald "Jerry" Brown, Jr. January 6, 1975 to January 3, 1983 Democrat, George Deukmejian January 3, 1983 to January 7, 1991 Republican, Pete Wilson January 7, 1991 to January 4, 1999 Republican, Joseph Graham "Gray" Davis January 4, 1999 to November 17, 2003 Democrat, Arnold Schwarzenegger November 17, 2003 incumbent Republican. Jerry Brown, Democrat, incumbant.

Now, since you don't seem to understand how it works I'll lay it out for you.

Here in Caulifornia, the governor appoints the heads of all agencies/departments except those that are controlled by “Constitutional Officers” who themselves are elected by the public. The governor appoints people to run “his” agencies/departments who have the same political bent (ideology) as he does. For example, Highways, Highway Patrol, and the Resources Agency are all agencies controlled from top to bottom by the governor.

Those people (repubican governors) since the days of ronnie -ray gun have required their appointees to hire people who had the same political ideology and not necessarily knowledge to do a particular job.

Knowing the preceding facts, it’s also evident that most state civil servants are now right -wingers.

And guess what, the governor is the one who negotiates union contracts with ALL state employees including those hired be “Constitutional Officers”.

That's right, you repubicans have been responsible for negotiations for 31 out of the last 43 years! Three out of four! 75% of the time!

Oh, and one last thing,. Jerry hasn't replaced most of arnolds appointees yet so they're the ones still spending the money.

If you find anything factually incorrect with what I've posted please point it out.
your brain timed out

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#6 Mar 18, 2011
Middle of the road wrote:
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The Democrats haven't had a 2/3 majority for 50 years and I worked for the state for roughly 30 years and I never saw agencies/departments that were run by repubican appointees spend the money as the legislature intended.
Ronald Reagan January 3, 1967 to January 6, 1975 Republican, Edmund Gerald "Jerry" Brown, Jr. January 6, 1975 to January 3, 1983 Democrat, George Deukmejian January 3, 1983 to January 7, 1991 Republican, Pete Wilson January 7, 1991 to January 4, 1999 Republican, Joseph Graham "Gray" Davis January 4, 1999 to November 17, 2003 Democrat, Arnold Schwarzenegger November 17, 2003 incumbent Republican. Jerry Brown, Democrat, incumbant.
Now, since you don't seem to understand how it works I'll lay it out for you.
Here in Caulifornia, the governor appoints the heads of all agencies/departments except those that are controlled by “Constitutional Officers” who themselves are elected by the public. The governor appoints people to run “his” agencies/departments who have the same political bent (ideology) as he does. For example, Highways, Highway Patrol, and the Resources Agency are all agencies controlled from top to bottom by the governor.
Those people (repubican governors) since the days of ronnie -ray gun have required their appointees to hire people who had the same political ideology and not necessarily knowledge to do a particular job.
Knowing the preceding facts, it’s also evident that most state civil servants are now right -wingers.
And guess what, the governor is the one who negotiates union contracts with ALL state employees including those hired be “Constitutional Officers”.
That's right, you repubicans have been responsible for negotiations for 31 out of the last 43 years! Three out of four! 75% of the time!
Oh, and one last thing,. Jerry hasn't replaced most of arnolds appointees yet so they're the ones still spending the money.
If you find anything factually incorrect with what I've posted please point it out.
You have a mental deficiency - you're brain has timed-out - get professional help right away - but pay for it yourself - don't further burden state bankrupted by Democrats.
Seismologist

Pasadena, CA

#7 Mar 19, 2011
We do not build for a category 9 earthquake. Almost all buildings in California would be subject to failure and collapse, if we had an earthquake similar to the one in Japan.
Middle of the road

Rancho Cordova, CA

#8 Mar 19, 2011
your brain timed out wrote:
<quoted text>
You have a mental deficiency - you're brain has timed-out - get professional help right away - but pay for it yourself - don't further burden state bankrupted by Democrats.
If you find anything factually incorrect with what I've posted please point it out.

“Facts”

Since: May 08

Location hidden

#9 Mar 19, 2011
Seismologist wrote:
We do not build for a category 9 earthquake. Almost all buildings in California would be subject to failure and collapse, if we had an earthquake similar to the one in Japan.
Then what happens when we get a 10???
Or a 11 or 12????

Who is going to pay for this?????
Middle of the road

Rancho Cordova, CA

#10 Mar 19, 2011
Seismologist wrote:
We do not build for a category 9 earthquake. Almost all buildings in California would be subject to failure and collapse, if we had an earthquake similar to the one in Japan.
Understood butt wouldn't it be prudent to not build on an active fault or if necessary then to build it to withstand a quake of a known magnitude?

The San Andreas frequently produces quakes (documented) in the 6.0 +/- range so wouldn’t it be wise to make your structures to withstand a 7.0 quake?
tsunami not quake

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#11 Mar 19, 2011
The nuclear facilities in Japan withstood the (in excess of design) quake, it was the tsunami that knocked out the power and water supply which led to the overheating.

“Facts”

Since: May 08

Location hidden

#12 Mar 19, 2011
Middle of the road wrote:
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Understood butt wouldn't it be prudent to not build on an active fault or if necessary then to build it to withstand a quake of a known magnitude?
The San Andreas frequently produces quakes (documented) in the 6.0 +/- range so wouldn’t it be wise to make your structures to withstand a 7.0 quake?
In a single story single family stick built residence to retrofit it for a magnitude 5 will cost the owner about 8k if the house was well built.
Basically bolting down the foundation.
Braces on water and gas pipes including hot water heaters

To retrofit it to a 6 will cost more than 25k.
Same as for the 5 but you will be taking of the siding and installing metal strapping at 90 degree angles.
Then attaching with cables the rafter tails to the walls

And there is no kit or means to retrofit the house for a 7………..

With many commercial buildings it is cheaper to tear them down and start over even to get them up to a 6……

Who is going to pay for this????

“Facts”

Since: May 08

Location hidden

#13 Mar 19, 2011
tsunami not quake wrote:
The nuclear facilities in Japan withstood the (in excess of design) quake, it was the tsunami that knocked out the power and water supply which led to the overheating.
100% correct my friend………..
TAX THE RICH

AOL

#14 Mar 19, 2011
Here Is One wrote:
<quoted text>
In a single story single family stick built residence to retrofit it for a magnitude 5 will cost the owner about 8k if the house was well built.
Basically bolting down the foundation.
Braces on water and gas pipes including hot water heaters
To retrofit it to a 6 will cost more than 25k.
Same as for the 5 but you will be taking of the siding and installing metal strapping at 90 degree angles.
Then attaching with cables the rafter tails to the walls
And there is no kit or means to retrofit the house for a 7………..
With many commercial buildings it is cheaper to tear them down and start over even to get them up to a 6……
Who is going to pay for this????
According to what the progressives are preaching - TAXING THE RICH WILL SOLVE OUR PROBLEMS. The little problem with that being - utilizing simple arithmetic if you add up all the wealth on the Forbes 400 Wealthiest List it won't even pay the current deficit.

CLASS WARFARE SELLS TO (DUMB) VOTERS. Makes a catchy sound bite and thanks to our failing education system some folks lack common sense and the simple arithmetic skills to figure this sham out, so the progressive gets away with it.

AND capital is mobile!!!! Increase taxes and people move! Duh! Of course the progressive would like to prevent that by making all taxes in the 50 (did you hear that Barry-50) states the same - HIGH.

The politicians and the self-appointed elites, see themselves as being much smarter than the people. However, the people have discovered this to be false and are now getting involved and finding the messes that these idiots have made everywhere, and yet they still try to lie to purpetrate the sham.

(a bit wide of topic, but I can hear the calls for increased taxes for earthquake preparedness....)

“Facts”

Since: May 08

Location hidden

#15 Mar 19, 2011
TAX THE RICH wrote:
<quoted text>
According to what the progressives are preaching - TAXING THE RICH WILL SOLVE OUR PROBLEMS. The little problem with that being - utilizing simple arithmetic if you add up all the wealth on the Forbes 400 Wealthiest List it won't even pay the current deficit.
CLASS WARFARE SELLS TO (DUMB) VOTERS. Makes a catchy sound bite and thanks to our failing education system some folks lack common sense and the simple arithmetic skills to figure this sham out, so the progressive gets away with it.
AND capital is mobile!!!! Increase taxes and people move! Duh! Of course the progressive would like to prevent that by making all taxes in the 50 (did you hear that Barry-50) states the same - HIGH.
The politicians and the self-appointed elites, see themselves as being much smarter than the people. However, the people have discovered this to be false and are now getting involved and finding the messes that these idiots have made everywhere, and yet they still try to lie to purpetrate the sham.
(a bit wide of topic, but I can hear the calls for increased taxes for earthquake preparedness....)
Correct………LOL

And I agree again……

I just posted a link today on why corporation move off shore……..
All the taxing will do is having more folks like me leave……..
Hot coed

San Gabriel, CA

#16 Mar 19, 2011
Middle of the road wrote:
Soooooooo, is someone saying the landlords/slumlords should make their buildings safer? You've got to be kidding, right? Ain't gunna happen! The repubicans have sent a message to Sacramento that they refuse to be forced to do anything anymore. Especially if it costs them money. Screw public safety when it comes to affecting the bottom line.
No more mandates/regulations.
We are safer now than at any time in the history of mankind. Get out from under your desk. Stop shaking. Take a deep breath. Go outside and enjoy life ! You can do it!
Middle of the road

Rancho Cordova, CA

#17 Mar 19, 2011
TAX THE RICH wrote:
<quoted text>
According to what the progressives are preaching - TAXING THE RICH WILL SOLVE OUR PROBLEMS. The little problem with that being - utilizing simple arithmetic if you add up all the wealth on the Forbes 400 Wealthiest List it won't even pay the current deficit.
CLASS WARFARE SELLS TO (DUMB) VOTERS. Makes a catchy sound bite and thanks to our failing education system some folks lack common sense and the simple arithmetic skills to figure this sham out, so the progressive gets away with it.
AND capital is mobile!!!! Increase taxes and people move! Duh! Of course the progressive would like to prevent that by making all taxes in the 50 (did you hear that Barry-50) states the same - HIGH.
The politicians and the self-appointed elites, see themselves as being much smarter than the people. However, the people have discovered this to be false and are now getting involved and finding the messes that these idiots have made everywhere, and yet they still try to lie to purpetrate the sham.
(a bit wide of topic, but I can hear the calls for increased taxes for earthquake preparedness....)
Most government buildings/structures have been seismically retrofitted. The state has already spent billions on the process.

I believe the push would be to up -grade private commercial type buildings.

And a part of this conversation should be about the rich wanting redevelopment agencies (taxpayers statewide) to bail -out slum lords butt in their second breath they are against forcing private entities to pay for an upgrade on their own.

I could be wrong butt......
Middle of the road

Rancho Cordova, CA

#18 Mar 19, 2011
Hot coed wrote:
<quoted text>
We are safer now than at any time in the history of mankind. Get out from under your desk. Stop shaking. Take a deep breath. Go outside and enjoy life ! You can do it!
That was tongue and cheek for gawds sake. The only thing I'm afraid of are people who can't understand what they read.
human anatomy

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#19 Mar 19, 2011
Middle of the road wrote:
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Most government buildings/structures have been seismically retrofitted. The state has already spent billions on the process.
I believe the push would be to up -grade private commercial type buildings.
And a part of this conversation should be about the rich wanting redevelopment agencies (taxpayers statewide) to bail -out slum

lords butt in their second breath they are against forcing private

entities to pay for an upgrade on their own.

I could be wrong butt......
Why do you continually insist on bringing people's BUTTS into your posts!! Use some civility in these matters and leave out specific areas of human anatomy.
Seismologist

Pasadena, CA

#20 Mar 20, 2011
Here Is One wrote:
<quoted text>
Then what happens when we get a 10???
Or a 11 or 12????
Who is going to pay for this?????
Unfortunately, there won't be many people left in the quake zone to pay for it, so the money will have to come from the Federal government as usual.

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