Mustang Man

Lanagan, MO

#1 Sep 9, 2011
The Courthouse is falling apart.
boxer

Abilene, TX

#2 Sep 9, 2011
Mustang Man wrote:
The Courthouse is falling apart.
You got that right. The remodeling of the entrances looks like it was done by a ten year old. The landscaping is a joke. Dead trees and nothing is being done about it. I am told the landscaper who was a friend of one the County Commissioners went out of business when he was asked to make good on his work
boxer

Abilene, TX

#3 Sep 9, 2011
Just read the paper and see what you mean. Literaly falling apart. Makes you wonder.
abc

Abilene, TX

#4 Sep 10, 2011
The nursery is going to make good on the trees - it was decided the the middle of a drought was not a good time to plant the replacements.

The concrete that was laid at the entrances was placed there as a safety measure. The conglomerate slabs, like those at the bank, were no longer level and people were tripping over them.

The courthouse is on a concrete slab foundation, placed over the filled in basement of another building. Best guess is that the drought has caused shifting of the foundation and the building is also shifting. The bottom of the slab that fell is concave, as though it sat over something - possibly the top of the slab below it. The architect is dead; the commissioners will have to find someone who can work with the construction of the building to stabalize it.

Do some research before you critisize.
Mustang Man

Lanagan, MO

#5 Sep 10, 2011
I know what you mean about the landscaper, the in ground irrigation system that was installed I understand has not worked since day 1. They have a man watering every morning when you drive by.
boxer

Abilene, TX

#6 Sep 12, 2011
abc wrote:
The nursery is going to make good on the trees - it was decided the the middle of a drought was not a good time to plant the replacements.
The concrete that was laid at the entrances was placed there as a safety measure. The conglomerate slabs, like those at the bank, were no longer level and people were tripping over them.
The courthouse is on a concrete slab foundation, placed over the filled in basement of another building. Best guess is that the drought has caused shifting of the foundation and the building is also shifting. The bottom of the slab that fell is concave, as though it sat over something - possibly the top of the slab below it. The architect is dead; the commissioners will have to find someone who can work with the construction of the building to stabalize it.
Do some research before you critisize.
Okay, my research tells me the concrete work at the entrances is far from professional. My research consisted of opening my eyes and observing. You help me with further research. Did the landscaper file bankruptcy? What nursery is going to make good on the trees? Who made the best guess about the drought and shifting? Was there a gap at the top of the slab that fell that had been there for years? Had an engineer inspected the slab with the gap and informed those inquiring that there were no problems? If the building is shifting what other problems have been created? Are there safety issues that need to be addressed?
abc

Albany, TX

#7 Sep 13, 2011
The nursery that sold the trees agreed with the commissioners that this summer was not a good time to replace them. The commissioners have tried for years to get an architect / engineer to look at the slabs, and no one wanted / was willing to come out. Now someone has, and he made a report to the court yesterday. The gap at the top was left when the building was built over 30 years ago.

The building Nolan COunty has is the one that it was given over 30 years ago; the current commissioners aren't to blame for that. They are doing the best that they can with the situation at hand. If you have positive suggestions, why not share them with your county commissioner?
Mustang Man

Lanagan, MO

#8 Sep 13, 2011
Old building aside for the moment, why has the now defunct landscaper not been drug up to the courthouse and made to fix all the half ass work he did.
boxer

Abilene, TX

#9 Sep 15, 2011
abc, you are not much help with my research. What nursery is going to make good on the trees? Are you sure there was never an engineer that looked at the gap between the building & slab and gave it a thumbs up? Did the landscaper file bankruptcy? Has the landscaper done any other work in the County or City? You say the current Commissioners aren't to blame. Who is trying to blame them? Are there any other problems with the courthouse that should be addressed? Did security camera record the slab falling? Is there a maintnace program in use for the courthouse? Thanks for any information you can provide for the research you suggested.
abc

Amarillo, TX

#10 Sep 15, 2011
You might visit with your commissioner. The nursery was from east Texas, and the information I was given was that they would be replacing all the dead trees put in by the landscaper -at the courthosue and elsewehre.

I did not live in Nolan County when the courthouse was built, so do not know what an engineer did or did not do. I am interested in county government, so try to stay aware of what they have done since I came. I have not heard of a maintenance manual or recommendations from the builder. I do recall that they tried to get some help on the building about 10 years ago, and no one would come.

From what I have heard since Monday, the commissioners are concerned about the building and trying to determine how best to solve its problems. As I understood the man who made a presenttion to the Commissioners Monday, there are some more slabs that could fall, none of them at an entrance other than the one already blocked off. He had an interesting plan - but I am not an engineer or architect and have no idea if it is feasible or not.

My information comes from talking with and staying in touch with my commissioner -
Building Builder

United States

#11 Sep 24, 2011
The Courthouse is "Falling Down, Falling Down and It Shall Fall on You"
C U Next Tuesday

Albany, TX

#12 Sep 29, 2011
But have you been touching your commissioner abc ;)
Ron-Texas

United States

#13 Nov 17, 2011
abc wrote:
The nursery is going to make good on the trees - it was decided the the middle of a drought was not a good time to plant the replacements.
The concrete that was laid at the entrances was placed there as a safety measure. The conglomerate slabs, like those at the bank, were no longer level and people were tripping over them.
The courthouse is on a concrete slab foundation, placed over the filled in basement of another building. Best guess is that the drought has caused shifting of the foundation and the building is also shifting. The bottom of the slab that fell is concave, as though it sat over something - possibly the top of the slab below it. The architect is dead; the commissioners will have to find someone who can work with the construction of the building to stabalize it.
Do some research before you critisize.
They tore down a better building than they built! The old red brick Court House was a very fine building built to out last anything. The new Court House slab walls started falling off/coming off right after they were installed. The City of Sweetwater has made many poor decisions, same as the Sweetwater Independant School District has in tearing down the old Red brick Newman High School, and John. H. Reagan Junior High School buildings!! I'm glad to see that they have utilized the old John R. Lewis(Southward) property/building !! Most of the historical buildings have gone by the wayside(torn down). Dust to dust,,,ashes to ashes! Only the good old memories are left(for those that still have them in their minds).
boxer

Lanagan, MO

#14 Dec 3, 2011
abc, just a thought but with all the current things going on with the courthouse/jail I am willing to make a wager that the sheriff gets his new jail before your commissioner gets his trees replaced - just a thought.
abc

Abilene, TX

#15 Dec 3, 2011
Probably right!
boxer

United States

#16 Oct 6, 2013
Not much progress on the trees but it has only been two years plus. Courthouse - oh heck why bring that up?
boxer

Abilene, TX

#17 Jan 29, 2014
Gotta bring up the courthouse. Work is progressing so well. It will probably be completed in a year or two. No hurry but it is sure looking like the jail, Lamar Street, Allsups and the Industrial Park projects are going to be finished before the courthouse. The cline shale may be depleted before the courthouse is finished.
cactus patch

Abilene, TX

#18 Mar 7, 2014
What is the estimated completion date for the courthouse?
cactus patch

Abilene, TX

#20 Dec 5, 2014
Over three years since the slab fell at the courthouse.

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