Road Rage Suspect Due in Court, Cyber...

Road Rage Suspect Due in Court, Cyber Bullying Arrest, Stolen Dog Found

There are 23 comments on the Patch.com story from Mar 3, 2013, titled Road Rage Suspect Due in Court, Cyber Bullying Arrest, Stolen Dog Found. In it, Patch.com reports that:

Three Arrested on Suspicion of Cyber Bullying 'Hummer Mom' Victim Three minors were arrested on suspicion of making threats over the Internet to one of Christine Hubbs' sex-crimes victims, the Livermore Police Department announced Wednesday.

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Since: Oct 10

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#1 Mar 4, 2013
Lots of blather on the Patch article , most of it by Californicated, who I suspect is a perpetually inebriated senior citizen or just a regular mental defective with internet access.

Holbrook stabbed dead druggie in self defense. End of story. Any jury not full of morons and drunks like Californicated , or felonious drug abusers and lifelong delinquents like Ziesmer, will surely make the right call and acquit this man of the trumped up charges against him.

Remember folks, just because Holbrook pulled his car into that parking lot doesn't mean he had any intention of physical violence - Ziesmer initiated the violence by assaulting Holbrook, then when Holbrook tried to take a picture of his assailants vehicle, dead druggie assaulted him AGAIN. Unbelievable stuff.

And lets not forget, it doesnt matter if someone has called you a name or said you're a shitty driver, you don't have the right to touch them. You can yell back, if you like, or call them a name in return, but as we all learned in kindergarten (probably not Ziesmer because he was busy sniffing glue or eating paste, no doubt), you need to keep your hands to yourself. Escalating a verbal confrontation to a physical one is a crime, a crime called assault and battery. Ziesmer committed this crime twice. The second time he was unlucky, in that his victim fought back effectively, as he had the lawful, natural right to do, in order to protect himself.

Since: Oct 10

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#2 Mar 4, 2013
I love that the state's key witness was arrested in court because of her oustanding warrants. I wonder, was the warrant for drugs or prostitution? Who knows?

What a great character! What a credible witness. Another druggie, perhaps an accomplice even, to the assault on Holbrook.

Surely any juror who isn't blind drunk or a druggie themselves will see right through her act and realize that she and her known associates truly represent the lowlife crowd of hooligans and felons that endanger public safety in a myriad of ways.

Since: Mar 11

Livermore 94551

#3 Mar 4, 2013
And now that you've arrived, lots of blather on here too.

Since: Sep 12

Livermore, CA

#4 Mar 4, 2013
Ridiculing the dead? Shame on you! Shady character or not, show a little respect for the dead. It's not like this person shot up a school... Judge, jury, and executioner over here.

Since: Oct 10

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#5 Mar 4, 2013
Patch doesn't allow any comments on its article not supportive of the dead druggie, so don't bother posting there.

Since: Oct 10

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#6 Mar 4, 2013
MourningWood wrote:
Ridiculing the dead? Shame on you! Shady character or not, show a little respect for the dead. It's not like this person shot up a school... Judge, jury, and executioner over here.
I don't respect people who assault others, and I'm glad they're dead.
If dead druggie could have kept his hands to himself, controlled himself like an adult, he'd be alive today (and gracing society with his useless presence and delinquency, no doubt).

Since: Sep 12

Livermore, CA

#7 Mar 4, 2013
The Real Anon wrote:
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I don't respect people who assault others, and I'm glad they're dead.
If dead druggie could have kept his hands to himself, controlled himself like an adult, he'd be alive today (and gracing society with his useless presence and delinquency, no doubt).
Regardless he payed the ultimate price for his actions. Maybe leave it at that.

Since: Oct 10

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#8 Mar 5, 2013
MourningWood wrote:
<quoted text> Regardless he payed the ultimate price for his actions. Maybe leave it at that.
If only the overzealous incompetents at the DA's office could do the same, and not prosecute and persecute a person simply for exercising his natural right to self defense. Unfortunately just like dead druggie Ziesmer, some people simply cannot leave others be or conduct themselves in a fashion that does not infringe on the rights of others.

We need to purge society of these kinds of people - maybe its a genetic aberration that causes these psychological defects?

Since: Sep 12

Beaverton, OR

#9 Mar 6, 2013
The Real Anon wrote:
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If only the overzealous incompetents at the DA's office could do the same, and not prosecute and persecute a person simply for exercising his natural right to self defense. Unfortunately just like dead druggie Ziesmer, some people simply cannot leave others be or conduct themselves in a fashion that does not infringe on the rights of others.
We need to purge society of these kinds of people - maybe its a genetic aberration that causes these psychological defects?
From what I can tell he acted outside the laws of self defense. Why did he use a knife when it was a fist fight? Self defense is a tricky area of the law. Personally I cannot condone his actions unless he was inches away from death himself which it sounds like he wasn't, he was hit twice with a closed fist after instigating another driver and then stabbed a man in the chest.

Now I don't know about you but I'm not going to stab someone because they hit me, seems like a real bad judgement call. Also it's up to the jury, not the DA to find him innocent now. Obviously the authorities and court system have found enough holes in his logic of murdering a man. I don't care if the other guy was a druggie that's not relevant. If he was wanted for being a killer i could see that being presented. However this is the exact reason that civilians with no self defense training should not be carrying a weapon, it will only get you into more trouble.

Since: Sep 12

Pleasanton, CA

#10 Mar 6, 2013
Personally I'm more scared of a software engineer (stressful job) with anger issues, a knife, and poor judgement under pressure than I am of a drug user with anger issues. I feel bad for his family though, but let's not forget...a man died that day.

Since: Sep 12

Pleasanton, CA

#11 Mar 6, 2013
Seems like a father of two should have just gotten back into his car and driven off. If the guy follows...awsome! Make him follow you to the police station a mere 2 minutes away. The fact is, after he got up from being punched, he went to his car and grabbed a weapon. He had the opportunity (from what it sounds like) to get away safely but decided to inflict more severe injuries than he recieved.
bobbyg

Kent, WA

#12 Mar 6, 2013
You never know what you will do until your put In a spot like that. I dont think cort had an arrest record or any prior assult charges......so anger issues is not relavent. How about fear for your life. One good punch could kill ya and if the guy was coming back to finish the job or give him a better beatdown than cort was well within his rights. That guy was a scrub who just got out of rehab and his lady is a scrub drugy also.
MourningWood

Petaluma, CA

#13 Mar 6, 2013
Anger issues aren't relevant? That's how this all started. It's true that road rage is a very easy thing to find yourself in the middle of, but cooler heads always prevail. This guy deserves SOME punishment. Does he deserve to rot in jail? No, but he does need to answer for his actions. If you and I were in a fight and I stabbed you but you lived... congratulations you are the proud owner of a massive lawsuit.
The Truth

San Francisco, CA

#14 Mar 7, 2013
Sounds to me like little man's syndrome. His hot shot attitude finally caught up with him. This is no way a case of self defense. His life was never in danger when all he had to do was get in his car, close the door , and drive away. He chose to pull the knife and kill another person. I hope he does some serious time.
MourningWood

San Francisco, CA

#15 Mar 7, 2013
bobbyg wrote:
You never know what you will do until your put In a spot like that. I dont think cort had an arrest record or any prior assult charges......so anger issues is not relavent. How about fear for your life. One good punch could kill ya and if the guy was coming back to finish the job or give him a better beatdown than cort was well within his rights. That guy was a scrub who just got out of rehab and his lady is a scrub drugy also.
once again...drug use is NOT relevant to this case...it wasn't a drug deal gone bad, it wasn't a fight over drug territory. In response to another one of your statements... what do you do when you are afraid for your life? Find the quickest escape route, if that is not a possibility and your LIFE (not looks) is in immediate danger use whatever means necessary to ensure your safety. This persons LIFE was not in jeopardy, and one good punch or kick could kill you...if you're dealing with a professional fighter or already unconcious. "Coming back to finish the job?" Please... if he wanted to kill him he would have just run over him with his car. Did you even read the article, or just these posts?

Since: Oct 10

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#16 Mar 10, 2013
MourningWood wrote:
<quoted text>From what I can tell he acted outside the laws of self defense.
And since you think you are familiar with the laws of self-defense perhaps you can articulate what those are?

MourningWood wrote:
Why did he use a knife when it was a fist fight?
A knife is the weapon he needed to defend himself. You can use whatever weapon and whatever amount of force you need in order to effect your defense. But you cannot use more force than is needed or continue to use it once the threat no longer exists. Since you claim to know the laws of self-defense so well, I'm surprised you don't know that.
MourningWood wrote:
Self defense is a tricky area of the law. Personally I cannot condone his actions unless he was inches away from death himself which it sounds like he wasn't, he was hit twice with a closed fist after instigating another driver and then stabbed a man in the chest.
There is no legal requirement to be "inches away from death". By the way, dead druggie threatened to kill him as he was charging at him. A reasonable person would see that, along with previously having just suffered bodily injury at the hands of the attacker, as a high probability of being killed.
MourningWood wrote:
Now I don't know about you but I'm not going to stab someone because they hit me, seems like a real bad judgement call.
He didn't stab Dead Druggie just because he'd hit him...he stabbed him because Dead Druggie came charging at him while screaming a death threat. See the difference? In fact, after Dead Druggie assaulted Holbrook the first time, all Holbrook did was try to take a picture of Dead Druggie's car so he could report it to the police. He didn't grab the knife and attack Dead Druggie with it - he grabbed a CELL PHONE, and at that point, Dead Druggie charged him while making a threat against his life. It was only at that point, that Holbrook used the knife to defend himself from what we can only assume was an attempt on his life.
MourningWood wrote:
However this is the exact reason that civilians with no self defense training should not be carrying a weapon, it will only get you into more trouble.
How is defending your life going to get you in more trouble that being killed because you didn't defend your life. You fucking imbecile, that didn't even make any sense!

Since: Oct 10

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#17 Mar 10, 2013
MourningWood wrote:
Personally I'm more scared of a software engineer (stressful job) with anger issues, a knife, and poor judgement under pressure than I am of a drug user with anger issues. I feel bad for his family though, but let's not forget...a man died that day.
Well unless you assault that software engineer, he's probably going to leave you alone. Don't be a dumbass and attack other people, and you will have no problems. Its not very complicated...keep your goddamn hands to yourself, you don't have a right to touch other people, or their property, and you will be fine.

Since: Oct 10

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#18 Mar 10, 2013
bobbyg wrote:
You never know what you will do until your put In a spot like that. I dont think cort had an arrest record or any prior assult charges......so anger issues is not relavent. How about fear for your life. One good punch could kill ya and if the guy was coming back to finish the job or give him a better beatdown than cort was well within his rights. That guy was a scrub who just got out of rehab and his lady is a scrub drugy also.
Exactly...hopefully there is at least one reasonable person like you, or me, or some of the others here on this thread, on that jury, and that they aren't all dipshits like MourningWood. The guy isn't guilty of murder. He did kill a man, but it was incidental to the right of self defense and he obviously didn't intend to kill him.
MourningWood

Livermore, CA

#19 Mar 12, 2013
The Real Anon wrote:
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Exactly...hopefully there is at least one reasonable person like you, or me, or some of the others here on this thread, on that jury, and that they aren't all dipshits like MourningWood. The guy isn't guilty of murder. He did kill a man, but it was incidental to the right of self defense and he obviously didn't intend to kill him.
if I'm a dipshit what does that make you?
MourningWood

Livermore, CA

#20 Mar 12, 2013
In fact Anon I notice more people complaining about you on these forums than anyone else. Maybe you get your head out of your ass and attribute something to this forum other than inane ramblings. This guy is guilty of a crime no matter how you look at it. I for one would hate to have you on a jury, although you seem to have all the laws figured out...jackass.

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