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Beagle

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Mar 4, 2009
 
Sixteen year old Molly Bish disappeared from her lifeguard post in Warren, MA on June 27, 2000. Police apparently believe that she was murdered.

Twenty-one year old Maura Murray disappeared without a trace on or about February 9, 2004. She was a student at the flagship campus of the University of Massachusetts in Amherst, where she was last seen. The car she was driving at the time, a black Saturn, was found abandoned about three hours north of Amherst in Haverhill, NH.

Did Murray and Bish disappear for similar or related reasons?

Is there a connection among the Bish and Murray cases and the attempted abduction by John Regan (Waterbury, CT) of the Saratoga Springs High School student track star (SSHSsts) on Halloween, 2005?

The many connections among these three cases are surprising.
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Mar 4, 2009
 
Did the Saturn allegedly driven by Maura Murray receive a parking sticker in Maura Murray's name?
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Mar 4, 2009
 
Sorry, let me re-phrase that. Did the Saturn allegedly driven by Maura Murray while a UMass student receive a UMass parking sticker in Murray's name?
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Mar 4, 2009
 
There really should not have been much of a delay in Haverhill PD's realizing that the Saturn was likely driven by Maura Murray, not her father. The parking sticker should have prompted HPD to contact UMass PD almost immediately. It was a current sticker.

But if there was a delay of some kind, which seems to have been the case, is it possible that even though Maura may have been driving the Saturn, that the parking permit on the window was issued to someone else? Another student? Or someone else connected to UMass?

Was the Saturn shared with someone else? Did Maura even drive the Saturn much? Was the Saturn normally parked overnight at an off-campus location, but driven to the main campus and parked in Lot 12 for convenience?

Was Maura Murray the regular driver of the Saturn found abandoned on Rt. 112 in Haverhill, New Hampshire on or about February 9, 2004?

Does the sticker predate Maura's acquisition of a driver's license?
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Mar 4, 2009
 
Beagle wrote:
Sorry, let me re-phrase that. Did the Saturn allegedly driven by Maura Murray while a UMass student receive a UMass parking sticker in Murray's name?
In MAURA Murray's name.(Caps for emphasis, not yelling.)
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Mar 4, 2009
 
Did the UMass Police, with the assistance of the FBI, perform a satisfactory investigation in the Amherst area?

It has been said that Maura Murray, while at her campus job as a security person at Melville in SW received an emotionally disturbing phone call very early on the Friday morning (late Thursday night) before she disappeared.

Near midnight (late Thursday, early Friday), another UMass student, Petrit Vasi, was found unconscious and nearly dead, due to a head injury, near the intersection of Mattoon and Triangle Streets in Amherst about an hour before Maura Murray received the disturbing phone call. The cause of Vasi's injury is unknown, but it is possibly the result of his having been hit, while he was walking, by a car operated by an unidentified driver, which immediately left the scene.

Is it possible that Maura Murray was driving the Saturn and hit Vasi? Even though she is believed to have been at her security post at the time? Or was someone known to Murray driving the Saturn at the time Vasi was hit? If Maura Murray had the authority to loan the Saturn, did she loan it, even tacitly, to someone she knew?
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Mar 4, 2009
 
If the sticker was recently removed - if this is true - then perhaps something more is related to the sticker than what has been assumed, discussed, or acknowledged.

It's always been assumed that Maura was the student to whom the sticker corresponded. But if so, then HPD and UMass PD would have got that part of the abandoned car figured out PDQ. HPD would have known that Maura was probably the driver, regardless of the vehicle's registration and/or VIN, assuming the parking permit was issued to her.

So the sometime idea that HPD believed Maura's father was driving seems possible, but kind of unlikely. It seems far more likely that HPD assumed, with the help of UMass PD, that the person who was driving the Saturn was the person to whom the UMass student parking sticker was issued.

Which may help explain the confusion and/or delay about notification. And maybe not. But it's worth a thought.

If - and it's a big if - the sticker was issued to someone other than Maura, then how did anyone know she was even missing? When was it known? Is that why some parts of this puzzle don't seem to fit?

UMass PD should have no reason to withhold whether or not Maura Murray was assigned the parking sticker for the Saturn (registered to her father) that was affixed to the Saturn at the time the Saturn was found abandoned on Rt. 112 in Haverhill on February, 9, 2004.
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Mar 4, 2009
 
One of the odd things about the Bish case is the source of the Molly Bish Reward Fund. There were two contributions - one for $40,000 and a second contribution for $60,000 made shortly after the first one. I'm not sure whether these represent actual contributions or simply pledges, but I'll call them contributions.

Both seem to have possible connections to the anti-abortion movement. The first contribution was rounded up by a married couple named Ebersold, who lived in Chatham, MA at the time of Bish's disappearance. According to later press reports, the $40,000 consisted of four $10,000 contributions bundled togther by Ebersold. But the Ebersolds had a close relative who was a manager of Chatham Bars Inn, which, at the time, was owned by Carl Lindner, Jr., one of the leading funders of the anti-abortion movement. Lindner, an advocate of millennialism, is also the largest buyer of bonds issued by the State of Israel. He is Baptist, but his vigorously opposes abortion, especially in conjunction with his close Massachusetts friend Raymond Ruddy.

The second contribution of $60,000 was supposedly made spontaneously by Prestley Blake, co-founder and former owner, with his brother, of Friendly Ice Cream, headquartered in Wilbraham, Massachusetts. However, Blake was disappointed with the fortune of the company he and his brother built from scratch. He wanted it back. His brother disagreed, and so an arrangement was later made for Freeze Holdings (aka Sun Capital) to buy out the larger shareholders. Freeze Holdings also, through one of its subsidiaries, Milllennium Partners (or maybe Holdings) owns Stemcells, Inc.

Stemcells, Inc. is all about ADULT stem cell research (ASCR)and application, NOT about, whatsoever, embryonic stem cell research (ESCR), which is one of the chief targets of the pro-life movement. Pro-life accommodates and usually endorses ASCR, but absolutely opposes ESCR, which it feels is simply another form of abortion.

Together, the two contributions raise the suspicion that opponents of abortion are the funding source for the Molly Bish Reward Fund.
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Mar 4, 2009
 
G'night for now, more later.
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Mar 4, 2009
 
Just wanted to get this in very briefly. It appears that people with a strong interest, financial and otherwise, in things like nutritional supplements and body building and performance enhancing drugs have a strong interest in the fate of Maura Murray. This group also seems to vigorously support anti-abortion (and pro adoption) groups like Birthright. They oppose ESCR and offer their own method of extending life by the use of often unproven and potentially dangerous excessive vitamin consumption and various antioxidants.

There's no easy, sequentially clear way to build the connections among these three cases of disappearances (and maybe two other cases), but as time goes on, hopefully, the connections will emerge and strengthen. All three were Roman Catholic, young, attractive, female athletes.

I do believe that both Catholic and non-Catholic people are uniquely and strongly interested in what happened to Maura Murray.

More later...
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Feb 9, 2010
 

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I was hunting 7.8 miles from the site of the car crash of Maura and found cloths with duct tape with hair in the tape. I called the state police they said they would call me back. Then 4 days they called me and wanted me to show them where the cloths were since the first call to the police it snowed but we found them and never heard nothing else.
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I was hunting 7.8 miles from the site of the car crash of Maura and found cloths with duct tape with hair in the tape. I called the state police they said they would call me back. Then 4 days they called me and wanted me to show them where the cloths were since the first call to the police it snowed but we found them and never heard nothing else.
Matthew, please contact me at Admin(@) MauraMurrayMissing.com
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Molly Bish was abducted and murdered by Kevin Noone with the aid of a horse tranquilizer ace promazine. She was then taken to the Annie Nolan abandoned house in west warren and then to coldspring rd abandoned house in belchertown ma. It is here that he was caught by Wayne Doyle with molly.

Kevin noone then dumped Molly by horseback where she was found. He then put Wayne's pornagraphy inthe cabin with a note that referenced Molly to ensure Wayne did not talk.

The state police ivestigated kevin and called him to the grand jury. they did not mention their screw up:

While investigating Kevin the went to Kevin's family and mentioned that he was a suspect in both Molly Bish and Holly Piiraninen murders and metioned the horse tranquilizer with the hpoe Kevin would get overwhelmed and confess. It backfired!!!!!

Kevin then Killed Marie Melloni of Southwick and left false evidence( just like Waynes pornagraphy in the cabin). The state police paniced and called Maries death a suicide so they would not look responsible for their mistake.

I then informed gov Mitt Romney of what went wrong and the commanders of the State police col Tom Foley and lt col Bradley Hibbard resigned in the Gov office at the same time. Kevin and Wayne and others were called to the grandjury for a dog and pony show(potomic 2 step) and the conspiracy was buried.

They blamed Holly on a dead man and their trying to blame Molly on Rodney stanger to end the chance of the sad ruth comeing to light.
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Jun 12, 2013
 
[concerned"] Molly Bish was abducted and murdered by Kevin Noone with the aid of a horse tranquilizer ace promazine. She was then taken to the Annie Nolan abandoned house in west warren and then to coldspring rd abandoned house in belchertown ma. It is here that he was caught by Wayne Doyle with molly.
Kevin noone then dumped Molly by horseback where she was found. He then put Wayne's pornagraphy in the cabin with a note that referenced Molly to ensure Wayne did not talk.
The state police investigated kevin and called him to the grand jury. they did not mention their screw up:
While investigating Kevin they went to Kevin's family and mentioned that he was a suspect in both Molly Bish and Holly Piiraninen murders and mentioned the horse tranquilizer with the h hope Kevin would get overwhelmed and confess. It backfired!!!!!
Kevin then Killed Marie Melloni of Southwick and left false evidence( just like Waynes pornagraphy in the cabin). The state police paniced and called Maries death a suicide so they would not look responsible for their mistake.
I then informed gov Mitt Romney of what went wrong and the commanders of the State police col Tom Foley and lt col Bradley Hibbard resigned in the Gov office at the same time. Kevin and Wayne and others were called to the grandjury for a dog and pony show(potomac 2 step) and the conspiracy was buried.
They blamed Holly on a dead man and their trying to blame Molly on Rodney stanger to end the chance of the sad truth comeing to light.[ All the facts mentioned here can be confirmed grand juries are recorded I even have letter from internal affairs sined by a lt col from the state police./QUOTE]
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Jun 12, 2013
 
the facts above are not disputable and can be proven with paperwork. as for the cabin this made news see republican archives. as for grand jury minutes they are recorded. as for kevin noone and wayne doyle they were called to grand jury. as for sesignations of tom foley and Bradley hibbard resignatios see boston globe article and look at date. as for letter from internal affairs i have copy. as for annie nolans house it burnt down arson kenin had key from estate. as for marie Molonie look at date of death look at circumstances of death. ichallenge any police officer mentioned here to take polygraph on national tv I will if they will but they wont!!!!!!

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Dec 6, 2013
 
I feel like they might really find Maura Murray ten years after she left. :)
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Dec 7, 2013
 
Find MM wrote:
I feel like they might really find Maura Murray ten years after she left.:)
. James Renner is apparently in Canada with flyers and seems to think he is on to her (Maura). People keep saying it should be impossible for her to be hiding after 10 years. What people fail to realize is the cops ruled out foul play LONG ago, were talking like 2 weeks in. This means that police aren't really putting much out there in regards of a search. Yes they have notified people she's possible in such and such location and could possibly be a wanted criminal, etc. however, unless it's re iterated all the time people will sadly "forget" about Maura and go on with their life assuming she's still alive and just living a new life. I think it's very possible she's found a way to hide out for years without being caught. Will she be found soon? Hopefully! Even if it's just to let her family know she's ok and just wants to cut ties. It's crappy if that's the case but her family can find peace in knowing what truely happened.

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